what is wonky

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Originally Posted by RDR

Prince Phil is mad at the Mark.

@rita - only joshing man...! cant pass up a wind up oportunity;)

Im quarter irish, qtr, english, qtr scots and qtr welsh. so im only dissing my grandparents and myself really.

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aye a know man - awwww banter! :D

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Originally Posted by DannyBlack

its all fun and games til someone loses an eye.


if wonky refers to that miditonal techno then i like it. good 'n' funky.

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this is the problem with wonky, and where it all went wrong....

Miditonal? there is a lot more to being funky than just wacking the swing quantise up to 75%...

Danny, there is a lot of stuff from the mid nineties that miditonal is a very poor imitation of...

try checking these out, of much higher standard and quality:

http://www.discogs.com/label/Mosquito
http://www.discogs.com/label/Sativae
http://www.discogs.com/label/Predicaments up to Pred 12
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Cristian+Vogel
http://www.discogs.com/label/Force+Inc.+Music+Works (the odd release here and there)
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Neil+Landstrumm

go out and search, I mean, maybe it's a matter of taste, but listening to the music, and after seeing the attitude of some of the people involved I'm really not into it... miditonal was a pure bandwagon jump, a pure cash in, so for people such as myself, it's kind of sad to see people like that getting so much recognition when many of the originators go un-noticed... I guess this is why I ended up hating the "wanky" word so much, it made everything too defined, and also, as I've often said before, it associated artists like Landstrumm, Vogel, youngman, and many other very talented musicians with a bunch of bandwagon jumpers who really have no idea of what it's really about..
maybe I sound snobbish here, but seriously, I keep an open mind about most stuff, but a lot of the music that came out of east germany over the past 5 years left me feeling pretty cold, plastic drum sounds, cheesy synth lines, and far, far too much distortion..... just an opinion of course, if you really like it, fair enough, but it's a bit of an east german version of hard house to me....

actually, check this out: http://www.discogs.com/release/1129796
made me feel like throwing all the machines out of the window when I first heard it, the rule book is rewritten yet again.... if you don't get it, it's just too far ahead for you :P

Actually, why am I giving you pointers? you like schranz so your opinion is null and void......

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Originally Posted by crime

Actually, why am I giving you pointers? you like schranz so your opinion is null and void......

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hahahaha eeeeezy mark....wanna of yer tunes is on abstract?? - schranz label??

lol

i think Miditonal does sound samey, i do like some tracks but not them all as do others i imagine. I don't think i'll write them off 'tho 'cos it seems like a bandwagon to folk. and that Vogel example you gave Crime I have heard before and it is good.

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Originally Posted by clubsynthetic

lol

i think Miditonal does sound samey, i do like some tracks but not them all as do others i imagine. I don't think i'll write them off 'tho 'cos it seems like a bandwagon to folk. and that Vogel example you gave Crime I have heard before and it is good.

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the mark forshaw tune is a belter - tear up is a belter and the TFL tune is kool aswell

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Originally Posted by ritaheed

the mark forshaw tune is a belter - tear up is a belter and the TFL tune is kool aswell

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Mark forshaw????

this is the poiint, the only good tunes are the ones not written by the miditonal crew.. they use other peole's good trax to sell their shit ones, they tried it on like that with me & I wouldn't have it....

mark just ****in cash in........aw aboooot $$$$$$$

aye only miditonal tunes a bought was the TFL and the forshaw one

just noticed how its MIDITONAL VS CHAIN N MIKES ..... a c yer point

well should one not dis the label, but the shit artist?

If a record has good choons on it, then its a good record. Not saying that what what your saying ain't true Crime, it just seemed a bit all-inclusive.

classic wonky:-



http://www.discogs.com/release/165659

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Originally Posted by crime

this is the problem with wonky, and where it all went wrong....

Miditonal? there is a lot more to being funky than just wacking the swing quantise up to 75%...

Danny, there is a lot of stuff from the mid nineties that miditonal is a very poor imitation of...

try checking these out, of much higher standard and quality:

http://www.discogs.com/label/Mosquito
http://www.discogs.com/label/Sativae
http://www.discogs.com/label/Predicaments up to Pred 12
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Cristian+Vogel
http://www.discogs.com/label/Force+Inc.+Music+Works (the odd release here and there)
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Neil+Landstrumm

go out and search, I mean, maybe it's a matter of taste, but listening to the music, and after seeing the attitude of some of the people involved I'm really not into it... miditonal was a pure bandwagon jump, a pure cash in, so for people such as myself, it's kind of sad to see people like that getting so much recognition when many of the originators go un-noticed... I guess this is why I ended up hating the "wanky" word so much, it made everything too defined, and also, as I've often said before, it associated artists like Landstrumm, Vogel, youngman, and many other very talented musicians with a bunch of bandwagon jumpers who really have no idea of what it's really about..
maybe I sound snobbish here, but seriously, I keep an open mind about most stuff, but a lot of the music that came out of east germany over the past 5 years left me feeling pretty cold, plastic drum sounds, cheesy synth lines, and far, far too much distortion..... just an opinion of course, if you really like it, fair enough, but it's a bit of an east german version of hard house to me....

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i hear what your saying, to be honest when it comes to what people call "wonky", I havent got a bloody clue. When I think "wonky" i thnk of the stuff that 'Wrong' is putting out, really funky mad as a hatter techno. I'm gonna check out your recommendations, cheers.

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Originally Posted by crime

actually, check this out: http://www.discogs.com/release/1129796
made me feel like throwing all the machines out of the window when I first heard it, the rule book is rewritten yet again.... if you don't get it, it's just too far ahead for you :P

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actually mate, on that note- you got any mixes featuring your recommendations? "wonky" mixes like.

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Originally Posted by DannyBlack

actually mate, on that note- you got any mixes featuring your recommendations? "wonky" mixes like.

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http://www.fun-in-the-murky.com/Audi...pt%202005).mp3

I think I have this one, is it Jerome Hill?

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Originally Posted by DannyBlack

I think I have this one, is it Jerome Hill?

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No: it's Quick & Smart, as you may guess from the filename.

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Originally Posted by TechMouse

No: it's Quick & Smart, as you may guess from the filename.

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That would be logical... I'm home sick, brain aint functioning as well (jury is out on that still) as it usually does.

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Originally Posted by Microdot

classic wonky:-



http://www.discogs.com/release/165659

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heheh, indeed! And also maximal respect for DX invader.. Lived firmly in my bag for years and years ;)

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Originally Posted by wrong

heheh, indeed! And also maximal respect for DX invader.. Lived firmly in my bag for years and years ;)

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i had something living firmly in my bag once, turned out to be syphalis.





:lol:

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Originally Posted by Microdot

classic wonky:-



http://www.discogs.com/release/165659

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this record was a big influence on my early djax stuff... it got caned at the early uglyfunk parties,

along with this one:

http://www.discogs.com/release/76539

cracking stuff...

http://www.blackoutaudio.co.uk/forum...ad.php?t=39992

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Originally Posted by crime

this record was a big influence on my early djax stuff... it got caned at the early uglyfunk parties,

along with this one:

http://www.discogs.com/release/76539

cracking stuff...

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So would you consider yourself wonky, in your definition of the word?

From what I've heard from you guys and the mixes I have listened too, my collection (second to acid) is massively dominated by wonky records.

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Originally Posted by DannyBlack

So would you consider yourself wonky, in your definition of the word?

From what I've heard from you guys and the mixes I have listened too, my collection (second to acid) is massively dominated by wonky records.

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I've made loads of different stuff over the years, ranging from Hard Techno, Chicago style trax, through to electronica through to hiphop beats, dubstep inspired stuff, and pretty much everything in between, so I wouldn't really tie myself to any one "genre" or "sound"

the surgeon track on this was another influence for me:

http://www.discogs.com/release/76415

i wish genres would just **** off, so people could either play good music, or shit music

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Originally Posted by mattboyslim

i wish genres would just **** off, so people could either play good music, or shit music

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Why would anyone play shit music?

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Originally Posted by TechMouse

Why would anyone play shit music?

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I've no idea. they do though don't they

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Originally Posted by mattboyslim

I've no idea. they do though don't they

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because 1 man's turd is another mans treasure, the is no such thing as "good music" or "shit music" apart from inside your own head, and that's all based around what you like and what you don't like..

your idea of a good track might be my idea of a shit track, and if you really like something, someone else telling you it's shit it just going to make you think that they just don't get it..

so there's really only 2 kinds of music, music you like and music you don't like..

Genres can be usefull as descriptive terms in a record shop situation, but the problem is, some people view their favorite genre in the same terms that they view their favourite football team, and unimaginative producers become all engrossed in one sound convinced that any kind of step out of the remit of the said genre is "selling out" which is kind of playground mentality really, I mean, why limit yourself? you scared that your friends won't like you anymore because, you know, likeing minimal is soooo saaad!!!??? or liking jazz is soo turtleneck??

again, this is the point for me, the first 2 waves of so-called "wonky" artists were influenced by a lot of different stuff, whereas the 3rd wave that came out of germany just seemed to want to copy the first two, which is why the music came out sounding plastic and unfunky to me...

I wasn't being serious but thanks for taking the time to explain your view point :-)

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Originally Posted by mattboyslim

I wasn't being serious but thanks for taking the time to explain your view point :-)

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well, it's pretty much the truth of it though, innit?

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Originally Posted by TechMouse

Why would anyone play shit music?

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dunno. maybe you should ask Sven or Richie.