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ah MUSIC MATTERS THE MOST
why dont we just steal the **** out of each others stuff
hey, ill just take the new surgeon remix of grovskopa, put a bit of distortion over it and voila! lag - sunrise!
a new hit! only that its not gonna be cause 500k chinese "musicians" just did the same thing
Chill out chaps! Some like to sample techno and some don't. No need to get all handbaggy about it!
its all good! :-)
Ding ding....round 5
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Originally Posted by Lag
Right, i see
Cubik is a techno record now is it?
well done
so in your logic basic channel isnt minimal because it doesnt resemble todays minimal?Quote:
Originally Posted by force
well done
and as far as i know this was called techno back then
Ding ding....round 6
Then you've shown you know very little then.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
Bit of a fail there i'm afraid...
http://www.discogs.com/release/14270
http://www.discogs.com/release/51728
http://www.discogs.com/release/32580
http://www.discogs.com/release/75241
http://www.discogs.com/release/139720
http://www.discogs.com/release/163215
http://www.discogs.com/release/59821
http://www.discogs.com/release/15576
check out "style" on any of them
Ding ding....round 7
Debate overQuote:
Originally Posted by Lag
stop digging mate
:)
Lol....that was quite entertaining:)
cant wait for force to upload some of his songs :D
my sampler is ready
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Originally Posted by Lag
Well, after hearing Shadwell,
my samplers not ; )
There's a few of my tracks posted in prod files already.
be interested to hear what you do
Oooo thats a good one! hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by force
thought we,d knocked this debate on the head?
This debate makes me want to knock myself on the head...
mind u, id probably be insulted if u liked my stuff ;)]Quote:
Originally Posted by force
now go off and sample a regis record, its music that matters
and btw, its not techno. no snare on the second kick u see
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Originally Posted by Microdot
:dance:
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Originally Posted by Microdot
Do you have a track list for this pleases?
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Originally Posted by Lag
M'Kay,
you win
yippie kay-yay
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Originally Posted by DannyBlack
Nuccle Live/DJ combo track list
01. Player - Player 014 B1 (Infamous Player)
02. Public Energy - Three O' Three (Probe)
03. Red Tide - Werk That Bitch (Core)/Work That Motherfcuker - Steve Poindexter.
04. Red Tide - Protect Ya Neck (Core)
05. Player - Player 023 A1/Cold Dust - Rio Grande (Red Seal)
06. Player - Player 027 B2 (Infamous Player)
07. Player - Player 027 A2 (Infamous Player)
08. Player - Player 027 A1/B1 Combo (Infamous Player)
09. Nuccle - Live Acid Jam (unreleased)
10. Player - Player 025 B1 (Infamous Player)
11. Nuccle vs Ignition Technician - Fcuk Religion (unreleased)
12. Nuccle vs Ignition Technician - Invade The Pitch (unreleased)
13. Player - Player 025 B2 (Infamous Player)
14. Cold Dust - Snakepit (Red Seal)
15. Nuccle - Live Acid Jam # 2 (unreleased)
16. Player - Malfunction bootleg (unreleased)
17. Nuccle - Live Acid Jam # 2 reprise (unreleased)
18. Player - Good Life Bootleg (unreleased)
19. Random XS - Give Your Body (D'Jax)
20. Nuccle vs Ignition Technician - Missile Command (unreleased)
21. Player - Player 020 A1 (Infamous Player)
22. Pitch Invasion - Grampus 8 (Core)/Joey Beltram - Oval (Tresor)
23. Joey Beltram - Beyonder (?) (Tresor)
24. Joey Beltram - Metro (Tresor)
25. Joey Beltram - Aumento (Tresor)
26. Player - Player 029 B1 (Infamous Player)
27. Player - Player 029 A1 (infamous Player)
28. Nuccle vs Ignition Technician - Kaos Rave (Infamous)
29. Nuccle vs Ignition Technician - I'm The Shit (Infamous)
30. Player - Player 016 A1 (Infamous Player)
31. DJ Mika - Code Red (Mastertraxx)
32. Player - Player 012 A1 (Infamous Player)
33. Pete Simpson - Pioneers (Core)
34. Mike Humphries - Human Prey - Nuccle Rmx (unreleased)
35. Player - Player 028 B1 (Infamous Player)
36. Nuccle vs Ignition Technician - Isolation Cubes (Infamous)
37. Joey Beltram - 5.7 litre (Tresor)
38. Joey Beltram - SetUps (Tresor)
39. Re-Werx - Hardwax Bootleg (Re-Werx)
alot of the Player, Cold Dust, Nuccle trax won't be the same as the records cause they're either live versions or have got extra instruments/samples over the top....
@ lag
first off.. your talking about a label that has sold huge amounts on the techno scene and has been played by everyone from the smallest dj to the biggest crowd puller, aswell as a producer that has released some very important totally original tracks (red seal stuff etc). whatever your tastes dont try to belittle something someone else has done cause nobody is sitting around slagging your stuff of.
if you want to go down the elitist route on this, can you say that every single sound you've ever made has been synthesised by you personally.. cause if you've ever used an 808 or 909 sample then you're obviously not as original as you'd like to think.
@ nuccle - we've seen all this b4 on here and the majority of us recognise whats good and whats not. keep doin what you do man, most of us love player records for exactly what it is. good party techno
theres an "artist" here called goran bregovic. plays and "composes" ethnic music. very popular. never wrote a song in his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
for example, my teacher who was doing the sound design for a movie collected a bunch of old ethnic songs. bregovic just came by and put his name under the songs.
i know ignition didnt do anything that bad, but what ure saying is basically that just because someone/something is popular im supposed to overlook their moments of "fake"?
ah, so sound quality has everything to do with music. i see. so a kick sample is someones musical piece, a composition? i find its just a kick sample. using rythm loops, however, is already wrong (as it has a musical value). if u put ur name on a song it means u did the music stuff.Quote:
if you want to go down the elitist route on this, can you say that every single sound you've ever made has been synthesised by you personally.. cause if you've ever used an 808 or 909 sample then you're obviously not as original as you'd like to think.
im not against using samples or even synths if u change them beyond recognition. it means u actually did some music work.
lifting someones main song theme, putting it as ur own song theme and calling it ur own song is beyond lame.
i mean, ud have no problem if someone took the aphex twin - on theme (the piano + pad), put a schranz loop (that uve heard in the "schranz essentials volume 3" loop pack) over it and called it his own song? its not his song, its aphex twin + a schranz loop (dj vinyl mashup [please dont sue me])
where is the post in which jon claims 'the sample' as his own?
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called it his own song. its not his song, its aphex twin + a schranz loop (dj vinyl mashup)
when did it stop being fun for you? jeez, lighten up - there are well respected producers out there who are running bootleg labels on the side but nobody seems to bothered about it.Quote:
theres an "artist" here called goran bregovic. plays and "composes" ethnic music. very popular. never wrote a song in his life.
for example, my teacher who was doing the sound design for a movie collected a bunch of old ethnic songs. bregovic just came by and put his name under the songs.
i know ignition didnt do anything that bad, but what ure saying is basically that just because someone/something is popular im supposed to overlook their moments of "fake"?
music is meant to evoke feelings within you, be it happiness, saddness, anger, whatever. im pretty sure its not made to be analysed over until all the enjoyment dissappears.
just because i might personally think its shit doesnt mean it has less musical value than anything else. its not for me, you or anyone else to make that judgement. the ONLY thing we have a right to state is our own opinion based on our musical tastes.Quote:
i mean, ud have no problem if someone took the aphex twin - on theme (the piano + pad), put a schranz loop (that uve heard in the "schranz essentials volume 3" loop pack) over it and called it his own song? its not his song, its aphex twin + a schranz loop (dj vinyl mashup [please dont sue me])
i dont actually get that excited about it if it says its a bootleg man.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
i pretty much enjoy music man and it means very much to me. i have to over-analyse everything though because im just like that.Quote:
music is meant to evoke feelings within you, be it happiness, saddness, anger, whatever. im pretty sure its not made to be analysed over until all the enjoyment dissappears.
i talked to several friends about this topic the last night. i still cant get my head around the fact that someone actually thinks that this is good and that he/she would be so infuriated by the suggestion that it isnt that he/she has to call me names and offend me. it took me completely by surprise. i still cant believe it. its getting more and more apparent why some people i really respect left this place.
im not saying ure the one of the critical ones - u have a different opinion than me and ure argumenting it politely. thats to be respected, no matter how wrong i think u are. im talking about the guys who are insulting me for calling stealing - stealing.
indeed, but no matter how much i dislike ignition technician stuff i never said anything about his music ;)Quote:
just because i might personally think its shit doesnt mean it has less musical value than anything else. its not for me, you or anyone else to make that judgement. the ONLY thing we have a right to state is our own opinion based on our musical tastes.
Look lag, you're perfectly entitled to your opinion, just as others are entitled to theirs.
There is no right/wrong (within reason) there's just music and what floats others boats, won't necessarily float your's.
You talk about name calling, but may i just remind you of this.
You implied a couple of very good techno producers are 'retards' on the basis of one track you disagreed with the concept of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
You could have just said, Nah, don't like this at all, i think its cheating. But instead you chose to be offensive and thats when thing got a bit heated.
That's why i came down pretty hard on you but i'm sure you wont lose any sleep over it.
i said "like hes". how is that impliying a "he is"
if i truly thought that he is retarded enough that he couldnt play 4 tones i would have just said "look, a retardus! trying to make music! how sweet."
and even if i have insulted them (how is it "them/multiple techno producers" all of the sudden?) i havent insulted you, have i? or is he your brother/girlfriend/dad?
Ha ha
goodnight Lag
well anyway...... dont forget to DL the mix kids:-
http://www.zshare.net/audio/104388629bc96958/
the sleeve notes ain't really up to much I'm afraid, in fact there are none.
but almost as important (but not quite of course), the tunes are banging.
but some do.. personally i love most of the early clones and i love RWX.Quote:
i dont actually get that excited about it if it says its a bootleg man.
to be honest a lot of them left because they were elitist and couldnt accept the fact that people liked something that they didnt.Quote:
i still cant believe it. its getting more and more apparent why some people i really respect left this place.
first you shouldnt have been insulted, no need. but you're calling sampling stealing. whether or not the sampling is creative or not, its still sampling.Quote:
im talking about the guys who are insulting me for calling stealing - stealing.
you yourself said that its ok to sample from differant genres, is sampling from a differant genre stealing aswell? if so you seem to condone it, if not why is only sampling from techno/dance stealing? (i hope you can see my confusion on this issue)
try to remember that microdot, krimewave and ig technician have done a lot of tracks together on the player label thru the years and essentially thats the particular style we're debating here.Quote:
indeed, but no matter how much i dislike ignition technician stuff i never said anything about his music
not really, unless by "entertaining" you mean "irritating".Quote:
Originally Posted by Siege
strangeQuote:
Originally Posted by Lag
i thought half of that "dark techno" scene was sampling surgeon/bmb and the likes...
All techno must be made from new noises using new rhythm structures at new bpm levels.
Anything resembling anything else is officially rubbish.
I'm so original I shit the future.
im just saying, sign the track as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
i know a few guys who left and all of them left because someone went into a fight with them over nothing and was pretty unpleasant. witnessed a few of those too.Quote:
to be honest a lot of them left because they were elitist and couldnt accept the fact that people liked something that they didnt.
first of, do u know what "monkey sphere" is?Quote:
first you shouldnt have been insulted, no need. but you're calling sampling stealing. whether or not the sampling is creative or not, its still sampling.
you yourself said that its ok to sample from differant genres, is sampling from a differant genre stealing aswell? if so you seem to condone it, if not why is only sampling from techno/dance stealing? (i hope you can see my confusion on this issue)
second, as i already explained, sampling from other genres has a punk quality to it. from what i know in the beggining the whole electronic scene had a big "**** you" attitude towards everything else so sampling from other genres came a bit natural. but then again, i dont remember someone taking the main ****ing theme, making it his own theme and calling it his own song. take fatboy slim for example. most of his songs are based on cut up pieces of old funk records. he cuts it up and takes the whole thing out of context, does some heavy processing and editing and it turns out as a completely different thing than the original (in which the sample is just 5% of the song).
electronic music is very minimal. if u take the MAIN THEME and use it as UR MAIN THEME with different beats - its a bootleg, not ur own song.
and..?Quote:
try to remember that microdot, krimewave and ig technician have done a lot of tracks together on the player label thru the years and essentially thats the particular style we're debating here.
and thats why everybody hates takaaki itoh.Quote:
Originally Posted by koma
yeah, thats excatly what i said! ure not being a dick!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Pace
and what if the re-work is better?Quote:
im just saying, sign the track as it is.
ive been in fights with a few and i can tell you most are started because acid or loopy or whatever isnt cool enough for them so they go and have a period.Quote:
i know a few guys who left and all of them left because someone went into a fight with them over nothing and was pretty unpleasant. witnessed a few of those too.
just googled it.. im confused :lol:Quote:
first of, do u know what "monkey sphere" is?
are we talking about a differant fatboy slim? cause i can think of 5 of his tracks off the top of my head that sound like the original tracks with a beat thrown on.. and a fancy breakdown (that one that samples "the who" for a start).. still fun tunes thoughQuote:
take fatboy slim for example. most of his songs are based on cut up pieces of old funk records. he cuts it up and takes the whole thing out of context, does some heavy processing and editing and it turns out as a completely different thing
all im saying is dont be surprised you're getting his back up when you're basically calling him a thief. the reaction certainly doesnt surprise me, i'd be the same.Quote:
and..?
heres another fatboy example
praise you - creative sampling? i dont think so.. still a classic rip though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1zJGDQy1qA
its a different genre, its not 4 famous notes + the main theme at the same time, and its 5% of the song which is just an intro and fatboy slim put it into a completely different context. from what i remember about the song he did a lot of cutting up of the vocal etc.
then we come back to this: if i take aphex twin - on, put a schranz loop over it and some schranzie likes it, that mean i can call it my own song?Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
lolQuote:
ive been in fights with a few and i can tell you most are started because acid or loopy or whatever isnt cool enough for them so they go and have a period.
were talking about different guys obviously :)
think about it.. :)Quote:
just googled it.. im confused :lol:
i called someone a thief because i think it is so and then someone called me a spastic (based on disagreeing) and another one told me my music sucks (which i dont deny, even though a lot of people whos music i love actually really like the mentioned song, but i have no idea what does it have to do with the issue)Quote:
all im saying is dont be surprised you're getting his back up when you're basically calling him a thief. the reaction certainly doesnt surprise me, i'd be the same.
If thats a reference to me, i'd like to correct you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
I never said your music sucks, i never even said Shadwell sucks.
I said i didn't like it but also acknowledge people have different tastes and it was just personal preference at the end of the day.
There has to be music you dont like cos it spurs you on more to make music you do like...
I have'nt listened to anything else of yours as yet and who knows, i may like it.
I certainly wouldn't be petty enough to say i didn't like it, or it sucked just because of our disagreement on here.
chill dude, just jestinQuote:
Originally Posted by Lag
in the end it will turn out that nobody actually meant anything bad and that it was all just a case of series of postings in the wrong topic :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by force
aye, you killed my thread F*CKERS!!!!
:lol:
*tumbleweed*
he was taking the piss you thick cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
in response to some of the other ignorant shite you were spouting.
do you honestly expect someone who's sampled "the punisher" for example to name their track "the punisher" also?
sounds like a surefire way to get your record taken off the shelves or get sued to me.
thick cunt. (oh I said that already, never mind one more for luck ay)
thick cunt.
have fun in ur life mate.
Well id just like to say how fckin ace i think this mix is!!! :dance:....Quote:
Originally Posted by krimewave
''It's fckin ace'' ....ah thankyou! :cheese: