THE PRODIGY album ?

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Originally Posted by gunjack

electroclash.

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ew.. nasty word that.

yea but tell me that the new prodigy music does not stink of cla$h

of course it does. But I can understand why they went down that route. Electro clash has a huge appeal at the moment and to make money in the mainstream industry you have to bow down to certain trends.

How else are you going to get trendy cock jockeys like Justice and errol alkan to remix your tunes? :lol:

but in all seriousness, this is the prodigy- legends and the album isn't crap imo, it's just not that great.

i've got better things to do than listen to prodigy albums.

always prefered Aphex Twin and Eatstatic and FSOL back in the day.

Im going to say something really out there now, but I really don't like aphex twin that much. He has 2 maybe 3 great tunes, other than that- its a bit "im great, look at me".

*ducks*

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Originally Posted by gunjack

yea but tell me that the new prodigy music does not stink of cla$h

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"The new Prodigy music does not stink of cla$h".

predictable as ever mate

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Originally Posted by DannyBlack

Electro clash has a huge appeal at the moment ...

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huh? fuking electro house/cla$h? maybe 4 or 5 years ago, but even britney spears and madonna are over it by now.

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Originally Posted by DannyBlack

jockeys like Justice and errol alkan...

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WHO?


man even the later, makeup wearing, california breaks prodigy stuff was better than this. i do have a lot of respect for liam's talents but this is the WORST example of:

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not my cup of tea..sounds too much up pendulum street for my liking

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Originally Posted by DannyBlack

Im going to say something really out there now, but I really don't like aphex twin that much. He has 2 maybe 3 great tunes, other than that- its a bit "im great, look at me".

*ducks*

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oh god yeah your right, most of aphex twin is pretentious shite, i think i had one decent album.

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Originally Posted by gunjack

predictable as ever mate

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well in fairness you did ask. ur negativety on this site is completey predictable cheer up mate.

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Originally Posted by jon connor

fuk off we talking the prodigy you fukin gimp unlistenable are you off your nut ?

prodigy deserve there fair share of critisism but dont go as far as that we talking one of the most insperational bands thats ever been i will deffend them and also the genius that is liam howlet .

http://www.self-titledmag.com/wp-con...y1header.l.jpg

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct0...mewsdesk.l.jpg

FUKING GENIUS SAY NO MORE! I will fight anyone on this board who say hes not rahhhhhhh! bad day today!

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The album I am talkiing about (Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned ) he didn't even mix, he had Neil Maclellan hold his hand and had to get some one into use PT for him. What a ****ing genius hey!!!

Have you heard that album on CD? it is ****ing awful. Clipped to ****, over compressed piece of shite.

At the end of the day they can't blame the ****ing label for that. They would have had full control. At least HMV let me gave me my money back :)

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Originally Posted by gunjack

hardly. too clean, too generic, too much effort for such a mediocre result......

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Dnt agree.

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Originally Posted by ceedee1

not my cup of tea..sounds too much up pendulum street for my liking

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NAIL+HEAD

this album is there for that reason. The kids in the UK love pendulum. I was talking to andy from pure techno earlier and we both agreed it was because this album is ther for taking out on the road.

CLA$H... probably. but i dont care i love about 5 tunes of this album. and i defy anyone to drop these tunes on a dancefloor and not believe they'll sound great.

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Originally Posted by DannyBlack

Im going to say something really out there now, but I really don't like aphex twin that much. He has 2 maybe 3 great tunes, other than that- its a bit "im great, look at me".

*ducks*

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*throws can of piss*

do you actually have a can of piss to hand? :lol: hey, you're down in our town on the 20th H, you can throw the can of piss at me then.

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Originally Posted by gunjack

like somebody said earlier, it sounds like they don't mean it anymore.... like the prodigy is doing a dodgy imitation of itself....

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LOL at both the "electroclash" nonsense comparrisson and the joke subjective notion of the Prodigy "not meaning it anymore." I'm hearing more of a Pendulum sound than Le Tigre. I do like how they used some throwback sounds as well, but kept it pretty minimal. See, if they no longer "meant it," why bother with this at all? Why not just fire up some software and do a complete remake of Experience to shut up all the critics who probably don't get it anymore either and sell off the name? I loathed the album before this because I felt like it got too stuck in Hollywoodish sounds. This one isn't that way. It's a solid album that has grown on me rather than turning me off further with every subsequent listen, only to eventually find itself dispatched into a street garbage can from a car window.

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Originally Posted by gunjack

horrible. crap. really badly done. the production is pristine but the conecpt is NOT what it should be. it sounds like someone trying to use elements of
EXPERIENCE (the first album) and make something halfway between cheesey orlando florida new school breaks and electroclash. REALLY DISAPOINTING. i saw here people saying this was a "return to form" etc BAH get real!!!!
like somebody said earlier, it sounds like they don't mean it anymore.... like the prodigy is doing a dodgy imitation of itself....




REALLY VERY HORRID

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hahahahahaha hear we go again welcome back mr gunjack

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Originally Posted by gunjack

predictable as ever mate

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bit like you then you fukin tool . heheheheeh calm down before you start im pulling ya plonker bloody hell gunjack you certainly are the king of the STRIKING COMMENT heheheheh

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Originally Posted by aNaLpLeAsEr

The album I am talkiing about (Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned ) he didn't even mix, he had Neil Maclellan hold his hand and had to get some one into use PT for him. What a ****ing genius hey!!!

Have you heard that album on CD? it is ****ing awful. Clipped to ****, over compressed piece of shite.

At the end of the day they can't blame the ****ing label for that. They would have had full control. At least HMV let me gave me my money back :)

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good you fukin tool you are obviously sexually frustrated go crack 1 off or somthing , but dont expect me to agree or not defend prodigy when it was they and most in my age catorgory that kicked off the techno electronick sound to us made us look for more etc etc etc etc big fukin word lad PIONEERS

This is to all pendulum comments fuk pedulum yea they are are good but dont forget how they got where they are ill tell you fuking prodigy bootlegs thats how , so who is more inportant the pioneers or the bootleging drum and base cross australian band out fit who ripped off prodigy ummmmmmm i no my answer case closed prodigy are awsome liam howlet is a genius god told me.

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Originally Posted by jon connor

good you fukin tool you are obviously sexually frustrated go crack 1 off or somthing , but dont expect me to agree or not defend prodigy when it was they and most in my age catorgory that kicked off the techno electronick sound to us made us look for more etc etc etc etc big fukin word lad PIONEERS

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They might have been but they aint now. They treated their fans like a bunch of cunts with that album. And apparently some of their fans are exactly that.

let's make this real easy so even fans of this album can understand - THE PRODIGY WAS ONCE AHEAD OF THE CURVE, THIS ALBUM SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE STRUGGLING TO EVEN KEEP UP with what is going on in music....

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Originally Posted by gunjack

let's make this real easy so even fans of this album can understand - THE PRODIGY WAS ONCE AHEAD OF THE CURVE, THIS ALBUM SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE STRUGGLING TO EVEN KEEP UP with what is going on in music....

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its not about that, its about them gearing up for touring again.

i don't think anyone of us are qualified to call the album shit. not to our particular tastes, those who don't like it that is but not shit. thats just disrespectful.

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Originally Posted by DannyBlack

i don't think anyone of us are qualified to call the album shit. not to our particular tastes, those who don't like it that is but not shit. thats just disrespectful.

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That album was disrespectful. Do you have it on CD?

I enjoyed it...

but thats the key isnt it. Enjoyed.

Each to their own - Im not going to get into arguments about its quality as thats a little bit silly really. Many a good tune played on an old fiddle.

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Originally Posted by gunjack

let's make this real easy so even fans of this album can understand - THE PRODIGY WAS ONCE AHEAD OF THE CURVE, THIS ALBUM SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE STRUGGLING TO EVEN KEEP UP with what is going on in music....

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And the big question here is, so ****ing what? Do you always have to be "ahead of the curve?" Or is putting out a good album enough? Besides, all too often "ahead of the curve" is a bullshit description anyways by people trying to associate it with themselves. How many other albums are out there right now like this one? Certainly not their greatest album. But, I just don't see what the big issue is with it. It's got 5 solid tracks on it that are fun. Most people into music are a lot more concerned with "fun" or "feel" than "ahead of the curve."

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Originally Posted by tocsin

And the big question here is, so ****ing what? Do you always have to be "ahead of the curve?" Or is putting out a good album enough? Besides, all too often "ahead of the curve" is a bullshit description anyways by people trying to associate it with themselves. How many other albums are out there right now like this one? Certainly not their greatest album. But, I just don't see what the big issue is with it. It's got 5 solid tracks on it that are fun. Most people into music are a lot more concerned with "fun" or "feel" than "ahead of the curve."

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ahead of the curve for me, every time

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Originally Posted by tocsin

Most people into music are a lot more concerned with "fun" or "feel" than "ahead of the curve."

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+1

Lets have fun!!!!

bollocks to fun, keep it real :)

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Originally Posted by RDR

I enjoyed it...

but thats the key isnt it. Enjoyed.

Each to their own - Im not going to get into arguments about its quality as thats a little bit silly really. Many a good tune played on an old fiddle.

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I can't enjoy it on my monitors via CD. But it didn't have to be that way. That's the key. ;)

Quality has nothing to do with a big artist with huge income who expects people to pay for the product???? OK

Oh bollox, It DOES sound like Prodigy by numbers, they DONT sound like they mean it anymore.

IMO

And b4 i get jumped on, i more or less heard that from the horses fcking mouth.

Right, hmmm.

Well, firstly, I think the album is ok. It`s good Prodigy. Not GREAT, but good.

The Prodigiy were never ahead of the curve, they represented a very marketable and commercial sound of the uk underground rave scene at the time.
They took the sounds being played at raves across the country, the sounds of junkie hardcore, early jungle, rave and hardcore, and put a spin on the sounds that fitted mass appeal.
They were always a good credible commercial version of the breaky side of the uk underground, and they made big room, in your face, everybody party like phuck tunes,which did the job so well, they blew up to epic proportions.

What they have done with this album is just that, made some big party like phuck tunes, that`ll work well outside of niche sub genres of dance music.

What did you expect from Liam? Some deep future sound blending dixiland jazz with bleep and tech step?

This is the man that made charlie says remember.

This is what it is, if you were expecting anything more than you are crazy.

However, the timing of tis might be very good.
Recessions are good for the rave scene, people get depressed and need to release the pressure, and a damn good rave is the best thing for that.
So maybe this just might be one of the catalysts for the rebirth of a rave scene.

Good description of what the early Prodigy stuff was about. They were not pioneers with that first album, that's for sure. Most people 30ish+ will know this.

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Originally Posted by The_Laughing_Man

Right, hmmm.

Well, firstly, I think the album is ok. It`s good Prodigy. Not GREAT, but good.

The Prodigiy were never ahead of the curve, they represented a very marketable and commercial sound of the uk underground rave scene at the time.
They took the sounds being played at raves across the country, the sounds of junkie hardcore, early jungle, rave and hardcore, and put a spin on the sounds that fitted mass appeal.
They were always a good credible commercial version of the breaky side of the uk underground, and they made big room, in your face, everybody party like phuck tunes,which did the job so well, they blew up to epic proportions.

What they have done with this album is just that, made some big party like phuck tunes, that`ll work well outside of niche sub genres of dance music.

What did you expect from Liam? Some deep future sound blending dixiland jazz with bleep and tech step?

This is the man that made charlie says remember.

This is what it is, if you were expecting anything more than you are crazy.

However, the timing of tis might be very good.
Recessions are good for the rave scene, people get depressed and need to release the pressure, and a damn good rave is the best thing for that.
So maybe this just might be one of the catalysts for the rebirth of a rave scene.

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Thank you for that eloquent version of what i said.

+1

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Originally Posted by The_Laughing_Man

Right, hmmm.

Well, firstly, I think the album is ok. It`s good Prodigy. Not GREAT, but good.

The Prodigiy were never ahead of the curve, they represented a very marketable and commercial sound of the uk underground rave scene at the time.
They took the sounds being played at raves across the country, the sounds of junkie hardcore, early jungle, rave and hardcore, and put a spin on the sounds that fitted mass appeal.
They were always a good credible commercial version of the breaky side of the uk underground, and they made big room, in your face, everybody party like phuck tunes,which did the job so well, they blew up to epic proportions.

What they have done with this album is just that, made some big party like phuck tunes, that`ll work well outside of niche sub genres of dance music.

What did you expect from Liam? Some deep future sound blending dixiland jazz with bleep and tech step?

This is the man that made charlie says remember.

This is what it is, if you were expecting anything more than you are crazy.

However, the timing of tis might be very good.
Recessions are good for the rave scene, people get depressed and need to release the pressure, and a damn good rave is the best thing for that.
So maybe this just might be one of the catalysts for the rebirth of a rave scene.

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I agree whole heartedly, especially about the rebirth of the rave scene (not that it ever went away really).

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Originally Posted by gunjack

let's make this real easy so even fans of this album can understand - THE PRODIGY WAS ONCE AHEAD OF THE CURVE, THIS ALBUM SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE STRUGGLING TO EVEN KEEP UP with what is going on in music....

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Okay you have an opinion , thats fine now let some one else have one.
This album is not there best for me. Altough some of the tracks are wicked. I have been listening to it a lot over the past few weeks. bottom line is I like it Im enjoying. So if u dont like it fuuck off whinging about it no one cares. There better things you can do with urself then whing abt music u dont like.

And how the fuuck are they struggling? this is one of the only non techno bit of music i have invested money into. the last cd i bought was dave the drummer's hydrualix mix which is a few years back.

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Originally Posted by The_Laughing_Man

Right, hmmm.

Well, firstly, I think the album is ok. It`s good Prodigy. Not GREAT, but good.

The Prodigiy were never ahead of the curve, they represented a very marketable and commercial sound of the uk underground rave scene at the time.
They took the sounds being played at raves across the country, the sounds of junkie hardcore, early jungle, rave and hardcore, and put a spin on the sounds that fitted mass appeal.
They were always a good credible commercial version of the breaky side of the uk underground, and they made big room, in your face, everybody party like phuck tunes,which did the job so well, they blew up to epic proportions.

What they have done with this album is just that, made some big party like phuck tunes, that`ll work well outside of niche sub genres of dance music.

What did you expect from Liam? Some deep future sound blending dixiland jazz with bleep and tech step?

This is the man that made charlie says remember.

This is what it is, if you were expecting anything more than you are crazy.

However, the timing of tis might be very good.
Recessions are good for the rave scene, people get depressed and need to release the pressure, and a damn good rave is the best thing for that.
So maybe this just might be one of the catalysts for the rebirth of a rave scene.

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I always saw them as filling the void between dance and rock, when Jilted came out anyway. They then appealed to two audiences instead of just one, which obviously sparked a lot of controversy.

Personally i think this album portrays the Prodigy for what they are, Electronic Punks, quite like it really, it's got Punk, reggae, old skool, phat ass grooves (and more) all mixed up into one electronic meltdown.

Worth a listen for sure.

Jilted had very little on it that crossed into rock.
1 track, maybe 2. The PWEI crossover and voodoo people maybe.

It was only with Fat of the land did they cross over more fully.

Fat of the land was a great album. As good as the previous two in its own way. 'Funky shit' wot a tune. heard it live so many times b4 it was committed to vinyl/cd. Just not felt the last two at all...

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Originally Posted by aNaLpLeAsEr

Good description of what the early Prodigy stuff was about. They were not pioneers with that first album, that's for sure. Most people 30ish+ will know this.

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not pioneers but for sure ahead of the curve really pushing the rave thing into a more universal territory. why is it that we remember the first prodigy album but not the "kicks like a mule" album etc? because it had a spirit behind it that i for one think the prodigy has since lost....

Don't forget all the analog warmth it had too!

I think their new album is tosh. Its got shit loads of pace and hard as **** at points, but anyone can make a rough sounding percussion and heavy basslines. The synth and general composition of the tunes sound naff and dated. Very disappointed with it

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Originally Posted by gunjack

not pioneers but for sure ahead of the curve really pushing the rave thing into a more universal territory. why is it that we remember the first prodigy album but not the "kicks like a mule" album etc? because it had a spirit behind it that i for one think the prodigy has since lost....

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Commercialization is all they pushed back then. Liam was a good front man that was all. Dum ****s love that kinda shit.

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Originally Posted by aNaLpLeAsEr

Commercialization is all they pushed back then. Liam was a good front man that was all. Dum ****s love that kinda shit.

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Thats total bullshit mate.
Loads of stuff has been considered 'underground' until it becomes popular.
Once it becomes popular, then it enters the realms of commercial pop.
I'd say Liam was a pioneer back then and influenced a lot of the big, early hardcore tunes of the day. He also never restricted himself to one or 2 styles either.
Chemical brothers, prodigy, underworld, etc were all considered 'underground'.

And one more thing.
Liam was never a front man, he always stood at the back and let the others hog the limelight so ive no idea where you got that from..

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Originally Posted by force

Thats total bullshit mate.
Loads of stuff has been considered 'underground' until it becomes popular.
Once it becomes popular, then it enters the realms of commercial pop.
I'd say Liam was a pioneer back then and influenced a lot of the big, early hardcore tunes of the day. He also never restricted himself to one or 2 styles either.
Chemical brothers, prodigy, underworld, etc were all considered 'underground'.

And one more thing.
Liam was never a front man, he always stood at the back and let the others hog the limelight so ive no idea where you got that from..

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Take your nose out his arse for one single minute.

They were never considered underground, the underground laughed at them and there followers.

How old are you?

chin strokery. thats all this thread is.

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Originally Posted by aNaLpLeAsEr

Take your nose out his arse for one single minute.

They were never considered underground, the underground laughed at them and there followers.

How old are you?

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Ha ha


Difficult to take you seriously mate.

Go and please some aNaL's.

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Originally Posted by force

Ha ha


Difficult to take you seriously mate.

Go and please some aNaL's.

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You didn't answer my question though.