Music Losing It's Meaning

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Originally Posted by Igneous

If he's got a new misis & baby n he's not making money out of music then he might be better quiting. New responsiblities & all that.

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Bollocks to quiting.

My advice would be to go semi-pro. Then work in music just as hobby and to make a bit of pocket money.

A step backwards maybe, but a lot less risk and living up to responsibilities = win

It's just finding a job now though.

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Originally Posted by Technologic

Bollocks to quiting.

My advice would be to go semi-pro. Then work in music just as hobby and to make a bit of pocket money.

A step backwards maybe, but a lot less risk and living up to responsibilities = win

It's just finding a job now though.

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Yeah, thats what i ment really. Just keep it as a hobby like.

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Originally Posted by Technologic

Bollocks to quiting.

My advice would be to go semi-pro. Then work in music just as hobby and to make a bit of pocket money.

A step backwards maybe, but a lot less risk and living up to responsibilities = win

It's just finding a job now though.

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precisely

I recommend reading "Kill your friends" by John Niven

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...en-780982.html

if you haven't already read it, do it now!

Steven Stelfox is a hero :) :)

hehe, enjoy guys, you will want to read this one again before you even get to the end,
and it also brings to light some of the more obscure bits of the music industry which are often overlooked/ignored,
because no we are not living in a fairytale world
;)

and for those of you who are on the 'it was better back in the day' vibe, doesn't actually mean that things were better back then it just means that as a human being you associate certain feelings/emotions with certain periods of your life, it's part of what's called being a human, has got nothing to do with the actual quality of the music

lastly, as regard the 'meaning' of music, i find this a rather ridiculous concept, i don't think producers compose tracks thinking 'yes, this one will mean this, etc' it's more about conveying an idea or an emotion and about sharing a certain feeling, but if you really want to go into discussing 'meaning' as a concept i suggest you read up on either Frege, Russell or Wittgenstein and i promise you they don't mention music hehe

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Originally Posted by DJPAUZE

So just got off the tube with someone who is a pretty big artist (techno/trance) worldwide, won't mention any names. He brought up and interesting point about music these days and why he was quitting the business. He said with technology it's given the ability to so many artists to create music so easily. Music has no meaning anymore. He said "Back in the Day I would write a track, it would be huge. People would remember, play it for months. Now you write one and 2 weeks later it's forgotten".

Mind you this is only one aspect of why he's quitting but I couldnt help but feel the same way... Does that mean that artists arent spending enough time writting memorable tracks or is the market just to saturated with loads of music.....

Hope that came out right...

Discuss.

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well, here comes some dichotomy!

yes, in a way (even in the short time I've been trying to make music its changed) the proliferation of easy access software, and to some extent the immediacy of myspace etc, has meant that every man, his dog, and any other pets he may have, are all knocking out music and a rate of knots and thinking it has some inherent value because their mates say it sounds ''phat''. but still, if something is made that really touches people then regardless of how its made will still touch people and get into the conciousness.

the flip side of this proliferation of easy access software etc etc is that more people have an opportunity to try it, to try their own thing, to experience music from the 'other side', and maybe, just maybe, this drives our type of music as a whole forwards?

interesting subject, but I'm too pissed to properly get into it.

WTF! music always has meaning....I don't get it??

After years of dabbling in writing tunes and playin Live I have finally got the bug to DJ...MAN!! there is soooo much music out there I love it! I can dig around and come up with stuff that nobody else I know has found...that is a great thing.

It means I don't have to play the same stuff as anyone else because there is not much to choose from. That is more true here in OZ where a lot of vinyl never made the distance and so selection was limited.

I agree with the 'it was better back in the day' phenomenon being more an issue here.

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Originally Posted by DarkYoung

****ing knew it. what is it about geminis and air signs in general that give us the best techno artists and producers?
air = sound

dave the drummer - libra
dirty bass - aquarius
rowland the bastard - aquarius
geezer/ant/markeg/gunjack/AP - gemini

unbelievable.

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Danny Black= Gemini/Cancer.



Music is dependent on the listeners perception. Music will only lose its meaning if the person listening perceives it so.

true.

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Originally Posted by judas_beast

well, here comes some dichotomy!

yes, in a way (even in the short time I've been trying to make music its changed) the proliferation of easy access software, and to some extent the immediacy of myspace etc, has meant that every man, his dog, and any other pets he may have, are all knocking out music and a rate of knots and thinking it has some inherent value because their mates say it sounds ''phat''. but still, if something is made that really touches people then regardless of how its made will still touch people and get into the conciousness.

the flip side of this proliferation of easy access software etc etc is that more people have an opportunity to try it, to try their own thing, to experience music from the 'other side', and maybe, just maybe, this drives our type of music as a whole forwards?

interesting subject, but I'm too pissed to properly get into it.

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You've nailed it right there man, those are my beliefs as well.

yellow isn`t as yellow as it used to be.

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Originally Posted by The_Laughing_Man

yellow isn`t as yellow as it used to be.

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Colour is dependent on the Viewers perception. Colour will only lose its meaning if the person Viewer perceives it so.

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Originally Posted by DJPAUZE

You've nailed it right there man, those are my beliefs as well.

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it's just Techno at the end of the day innit?! ;)

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Originally Posted by DannyBlack

Colour is dependent on the Viewers perception. Colour will only lose its meaning if the person Viewer perceives it so.

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Or, one could argue (if, like me, you're a bit bored and an anal cunt) that ''colour'' is derived from its spectral wavelength.

However, if one then wanted to be even more anal, and was basically a bit of a twat (me again) you could say that colour is actually not something's inherent wavelength, rather it is the perception of said wavelength

So basically I've just agreed wit you.

damn...

:lol:

It all boils down to the individuals perception. Fact.

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Originally Posted by DannyBlack

:lol:

It all boils down to the individuals perception. Fact.

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No one likes a smart alec! or Danny even! ;)

Music never had any "meaning" in music in the first place.

There is no meaning in anything, except the meaning that we give things, and then forget that it was us who gave the thing meaning.

Sounds like what the guy in the OP is really saying is that he is unwilling to accept the reality that all is flux, all is change.

We seem to be living in a age of ADHD, where people want more, newer,better stuff right now, not tomorrow, so if you don't move at that speed, you get left behind.

Trying to make a classic track that will "Last" seems like a bit of a joke in the present climate

My guess is that he no longer felt important once his moment faded, and many artists need approval and to feel important as much as they need to create.

Money does come into it as well, but I think the emotional side of it is very strong, the feeling of being important, of making a mark in other peoples lives, sharing experience with them.

Do you think someone like Jimi Hendrix would stop playing guitar if he wasn't getting paid?
I reckon he would still play for free just for the buzz of it anyway, he seemed to be in deeper than most, I would guess the fame and money were a fringe benefit to him.

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Originally Posted by bugmenot

Music never had any "meaning" in music in the first place.

There is no meaning in anything, except the meaning that we give things, and then forget that it was us who gave the thing meaning.

Sounds like what the guy in the OP is really saying is that he is unwilling to accept the reality that all is flux, all is change.

We seem to be living in a age of ADHD, where people want more, newer,better stuff right now, not tomorrow, so if you don't move at that speed, you get left behind.

Trying to make a classic track that will "Last" seems like a bit of a joke in the present climate

My guess is that he no longer felt important once his moment faded, and many artists need approval and to feel important as much as they need to create.

Money does come into it as well, but I think the emotional side of it is very strong, the feeling of being important, of making a mark in other peoples lives, sharing experience with them.

Do you think someone like Jimi Hendrix would stop playing guitar if he wasn't getting paid?
I reckon he would still play for free just for the buzz of it anyway, he seemed to be in deeper than most, I would guess the fame and money were a fringe benefit to him.

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:yup: great introductory statement. welcome to the board mate.