Techno's in serious trouble... ( 1

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Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

There isn't a lack of new talent.
There's a lack of people willing to put ego aside and let the changing of the guard occur, but there are few good people with a damn good heart out there encouraging us to keep on.

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Very true...we had the same problem here in Aus *Melbourne in particular*...some mates trying to get their material on established labels was impossible! So we formed our own label...but ive heard a lot of people say the "bastardisation of techno" comes as a result of every producer starting up their own label... :dontevengothere: while that sounds intelligent, its a crock of shit! What is one to do with the people up top constantly push you aside???? Like everyone is already saying, the only way techno will evolve is if there is an injection of new unique tastes and influences...

old old thread but interesting to read again nevertheless.

Woops, just noticed the date on this thread Mark...if only i had joined up in 2002! :lol:

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Originally Posted by PDT

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Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

There isn't a lack of new talent.
There's a lack of people willing to put ego aside and let the changing of the guard occur, but there are few good people with a damn good heart out there encouraging us to keep on.

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Very true...we had the same problem here in Aus *Melbourne in particular*...some mates trying to get their material on established labels was impossible! So we formed our own label...but ive heard a lot of people say the "bastardisation of techno" comes as a result of every producer starting up their own label... :dontevengothere: while that sounds intelligent, its a crock of shit! What is one to do with the people up top constantly push you aside???? Like everyone is already saying, the only way techno will evolve is if there is an injection of new unique tastes and influences...

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Haven't you got that label 'wet music' in Australia, Melbourne. They seemed to have a few tracks by Umek, Sims etc. Not my cup of tea actually. I have a few of S Didgy's plattens, there was one of his I really enjoyed playing but it wasn't on the wet label?

Anyway, best of luck with your endeavours. What was you label by the way.

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Originally Posted by MARK EG

old old thread but interesting to read again nevertheless.

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wow i just got on to the date as well :oops: . although it goes to show just how relavent this topic is now.

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Originally Posted by killarava2day

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Originally Posted by PDT

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Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

There isn't a lack of new talent.
There's a lack of people willing to put ego aside and let the changing of the guard occur, but there are few good people with a damn good heart out there encouraging us to keep on.

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Very true...we had the same problem here in Aus *Melbourne in particular*...some mates trying to get their material on established labels was impossible! So we formed our own label...but ive heard a lot of people say the "bastardisation of techno" comes as a result of every producer starting up their own label... :dontevengothere: while that sounds intelligent, its a crock of shit! What is one to do with the people up top constantly push you aside???? Like everyone is already saying, the only way techno will evolve is if there is an injection of new unique tastes and influences...

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Haven't you got that label 'wet music' in Australia, Melbourne. They seemed to have a few tracks by Umek, Sims etc. Not my cup of tea actually. I have a few of S Didgy's plattens, there was one of his I really enjoyed playing but it wasn't on the wet label?

Anyway, best of luck with your endeavours. What was you label by the way.

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Yep, Wetmusik is still around, although with the demise of Prime, *Wet's distributor* all has halted. When Wetmusik were releasing many moons ago from the likes of Willie Tell, it was a great label but i feel as their association with Prime grew, their sound changed and it was virtually impossible to get anything through them.

The label i run is called Melbourne Techno Massive Records *MTMR for short*. Its a mouthfull i know!

Here's a link to our first 2 releases:

Substrata Online Records

good reason why i am playing harder music that would not get onto the radio.


alot of 'SUCK MY COCK MOTHEFR ****ERS' hahhaha


'RESPECT THE COCK'

real dark shit, like to see judge jules play that one :o

already said in other posts, too many people are just pushing out too many records, they cant possibly be making anything that good/differant in the time they have!


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i agree its like the callaborations on nekleuz with andy farly and ant also guy mcaffer and bk half decent tunes but gives the radio one knobheads a reason to play techno keep it true boys on true techno labels

so what's the distribution solution? obviously, prime catered to its sales, but that didn't ultimately save it. is there a way to have good distribution while allowing labels to put out forward-thinking stuff? i heard glenn wilson was going to get into distribution...what's the word on that?

I don't care whether Judge Jules is playing techno, I like techno for what it is, not who is playing it. Saying that because someone commercial is playing it it's gone crap means you're not into it for the music, but the status of being "underground". Bah!

fairly good point that spiral.

havent read the whole thread, but techno wont go overground. it twists shape every few years & goes really shaky, then has a resurgence. this is a cycle that happens perpetually...

i also believe producers are now makin proper dj tools. not trax in their own right, but small components of a bigger picture. now & again a real stunner will appear, but i believe more & more its being left to the skill of the individual dj to make sumthin exciting out of these tools. 1 piece of Lego is dull & any twat can stick it together, but it takes sumone with a spark to make sumthin to be marvelled at...

look at the rise in the use fx. for a long time the only ppl to touch fx or a third deck or the like were techno djs. yes, some house heads do the same, but not the way techno djs use these tools. ive never seen or heard of a dnb dj use 3 dex or fx. and i know quite a few. in fact, i know pretty much every workin dj in Belfast & its the techno ppl that go that bit further with extras. i NEVER dj without at least an fx box & do regular live sets...

techno aint in trouble. it just tripped over sumthin back there but its got its balance & is back on course...


i just wish hip hop djs would show more respect to techno djs...

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Originally Posted by perpetual

i also believe producers are now makin proper dj tools. not trax in their own right, but small components of a bigger picture. now & again a real stunner will appear, but i believe more & more its being left to the skill of the individual dj to make sumthin exciting out of these tools. 1 piece of Lego is dull & any twat can stick it together, but it takes sumone with a spark to make sumthin to be marvelled at...

look at the rise in the use fx. for a long time the only ppl to touch fx or a third deck or the like were techno djs. yes, some house heads do the same, but not the way techno djs use these tools. ive never seen or heard of a dnb dj use 3 dex or fx. and i know quite a few. in fact, i know pretty much every workin dj in Belfast & its the techno ppl that go that bit further with extras. i NEVER dj without at least an fx box & do regular live sets...

techno aint in trouble. it just tripped over sumthin back there but its got its balance & is back on course...

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Well said! :)

We are slightly *maybe more than slightly* delayed with the rest of the worlds influences, so rather than waiting to jump on the wave of the rest of the world, it would be ideal to begin a wave of our own...but with such a small market in comparison to everywhere else, its simply too hard to do...but we are trying none the less! As ive said in previous posts, its just a matter of doing something that others would turn their back on...so if ppl are constantly thinking of things that will stand them out from the crowd, then surely techno as a whole will never "die"...

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techno aint in trouble. it just tripped over sumthin back there but its got its balance & is back on course...

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I thinks its the "dj tools" kind of records that techno tripped over...

nah. i dont agree...

if anything, i reckon they will help save techno from exploitation.
theres too many 'big tunes' at the moment. djs dont have to work, they just have to have a box of 'big tunes' to keep the ppl happy. why bother makin breakdowns outta loop records with filters & fx when u can just let a track do it for you...

without big tunes, it would down to the djs skill & ability, not what mailing list hes on...

either way, i dont see techno as being in trouble, its just evolving. though i'll be happy when ppl start seeing that ppl like Mills & Clarke are past their prime.

dont get me wrong, i respect both for what they have done, but theyre just churning out the same ol same ol & the dj sets are gettin worse.

Clarke is awful these days.

http://www.perpetualelectronic.co.uk/

http://www.club-nut.co.uk/audio/PeteDonaldson%20-%20Sound%20Of%20Resonate%20Guest%20Mix%20Vol%202%2 0(October%2003).mp3

http://www.club-nut.co.uk/audio/Pete...ober%2003).mp3

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Originally Posted by Komplex

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techno aint in trouble. it just tripped over sumthin back there but its got its balance & is back on course...

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I thinks its the "dj tools" kind of records that techno tripped over...

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So no dj tools equals a full on anthem set? No thank you.

DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS IM TIRED OF PEOPL SAYING WHATS WRONG WITH TECHNO INSTEAD OF DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I DO TECHNO THAT BOTTOM LINE MAKES PEOPLE WANT TO NOD THEIR HEAD OR DANCE, IF YOU HAVE OTHER INTENTIONS FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO GET INTO. THIS OVERALL IS MUSIC TO DANCE TO, NOT MEDITATE, NOT LOATHE, AND NOT PICK APART. IF SOME JERKOFF SAYS HEY I WANNA DANCE TO MY SONG I DID MY JOB.

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SAY OH THIS SHOULD SOUND LIKE THAT THEN GO OUT AND MAKE YOUR OWN VERSION. OTHER WISE NOTHING IS WRONG WITH TECHNO OTHER THAN MAFIA STYLE RELEASE FAMILIES, DISTRIBUTORS THAT DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, POOR PRODUCTION VALUE RECORDS BEING RELEASED AND EGO'S RUNNING HAYWIRE.

totally loving that reply SummerOfSam, dance music no matter what it is is made to dance to and enjoy, so enjoy :dance:

[/quote]So no dj tools equals a full on anthem set? No thank you.

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No ofcourse not. They don't all have to be anthems. House music isn't all anthems but people still play good sets and dance to it.

What I'm saying is that a good track is a good track and can hold its own and a good dj can still mix a good track with 2 other tracks if needed. A dj tool on the other hand is only that, a tool and doesn't really do much for me. I like my music to have substance, I guess its a personal thing isn't it? I say mix it all up but too many dj tools gets boring. zzzzzzzzz.

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whoops, the wrong part got quoted. any way i can edit it?

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Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS IM TIRED OF PEOPL SAYING WHATS WRONG WITH TECHNO INSTEAD OF DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I DO TECHNO THAT BOTTOM LINE MAKES PEOPLE WANT TO NOD THEIR HEAD OR DANCE, IF YOU HAVE OTHER INTENTIONS FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO GET INTO. THIS OVERALL IS MUSIC TO DANCE TO, NOT MEDITATE, NOT LOATHE, AND NOT PICK APART. IF SOME JERKOFF SAYS HEY I WANNA DANCE TO MY SONG I DID MY JOB.

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SAY OH THIS SHOULD SOUND LIKE THAT THEN GO OUT AND MAKE YOUR OWN VERSION. OTHER WISE NOTHING IS WRONG WITH TECHNO OTHER THAN MAFIA STYLE RELEASE FAMILIES, DISTRIBUTORS THAT DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, POOR PRODUCTION VALUE RECORDS BEING RELEASED AND EGO'S RUNNING HAYWIRE.

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Techno for entertainment...yes, thats the truth...perhaps though, its a case of "too many chiefs not enough indians" *pardon the pun*. What ever happened to the good old days of entertaining people through music and really not tearing the music down so much that dancing then became a chin stroke???? Thats why i love playing to the younger kids today cause they really dont give a toss where it came from, how it was made, who it was released through etc etc...just people interested in being entertained and funnily enough, they actually do understand what goes into being a DJ or even producing the music but their lack of being a DJ or a producer helps them see that these tasks do involve a certain level of skill and therefore they respect the abilities of those who do play the music...

Of course with the people who respect your abilities come those who are so thrilled with it they too want to join in the fun...

Perhaps ive ranted too far here, but my point was as a DJ you have to entertain, whilst also being unique and spontaneous...the same applies to a live act...this is missing today and only a handfull of people can actually do this...*i speak of melbourne btw but im sure others will agree....a case of "best you step asside and let us young guys take over the ropes"*

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Originally Posted by Komplex

I like my music to have substance, I guess its a personal thing isn't it? I say mix it all up but too many dj tools gets boring. zzzzzzzzz.

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You're right it is a personal thing, so what's right for you can be totally wrong to others.

I like good music as much as anyone else when I am home or doing creative projects.

But when I am in the club I want to grind up on some 20 year old hottie with the big butt, I don't think she'll dance through the break on any Aril Brikha.

And don't get me wrong I like Aril.

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But when I am in the club I want to grind up on some 20 year old hottie with the big butt

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Hehe, this is why hip hop and rnb clubs do so well ;) I can't grind to techno even if i tried!

my 0,2c:

- if techno goes down, i don't care. I can't do anything against it.
- i dont believe that techno goes down. if it does, well, there's no way to prevent it.

mark, dont meant to be offensive, but the same discussion is being held in almost all techno forums over the world. and: if everybody is talking about it, techno *will* go down.

so don't worry about it, it will go on, and nobody can predict how all this will go on. it's not a period, its evolution :)