Please tell me what 'freeform' music is?

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As for freeform being associated with JAZZ. WTF?? Let me guess, you have never listened to it?[/quote]

He wasn’t associating them. If you read what’s been said you’ll find that he was saying that Free form Jazz is justified under the name ‘freeform’. Free form is a name given to a style of music which is simply lots of other styles crossed over such as Trance, Gabber, etc. In a way which you cant pin it down to specific style or sound. Thus meaning that this style is hardly free as it’s still restricted within the limitations of those genres. Which when you think about it, it’s right.

Someone also pointed out that that cannibal cooking club would be more justified under the term ‘freeform’ as its not restricted to repetitive riffs, 4 x 4 kicks and any certain melodic or harmonic chord progressions. Again this makes perfect sense to me.

It was a comparison not an association and a good one at that.

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Originally Posted by Tony

yes, i have never listened to this new oxymoron of a dance music called 'freeform' because even your descriptions contain styles of music that i am not interested in at all.

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But i think you should still give it ago, open your ears, i bet u could find stuff you liked.

Someone wanted some examples of classic freeform


http://audio.nuenergy.co.uk/samples/nunrg017-a.rm

http://audio.nuenergy.co.uk/samples/nunrg033-a.rm

http://audio.nuenergy.co.uk/samples/bkr004-a.rm

[quote="Tony"]well, i cant really comment anymore cos i'm just a punter, and due to the fact that noone else on here is a producer except mark and a few others, and none of us know anything about anything, we really dont have any opinion at all.................................

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OK, if you want to go down that route, I ASSUMED that Serox was talking about large scale producers, (if you are one then fair enough, but I dont know who you are), if that is a case, then I am sure there are a hell of a lot more Producers on BT than there is on here anyway.

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did you read any of the messages above??

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NO! My sole aim was to reply to the bullshit that Serox has put up about me.

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understand that you're dealing with a tiny weeny microcosm of music that will make as much of a dent on the musical world as a bug makes to the window of an articulated lorry, whatever you choose to call it, and however misappropriated the word is.

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Thanks to the misguided prick that is Serox, people have got the wrong end of what I was saying. All I said is that Freeform is the fastest growing genre in the way of popularity, simply for one reason and one reason only - it's fairnly new.
NEVER ONCE have I said that this genre will make a huge impact on the music industry - NOR WILL I EVER DO SO!

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yes, i have never listened to this new oxymoron of a dance music called 'freeform' because even your descriptions contain styles of music that i am not interested in at all.

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Tell me when I have posted up my "discriptions" of this genre?!?!?!

IT IS BECAUSE OF SHIT LIKE THIS I LEFT. PEOPLE NOT READING POSTS, BUT INSTEAD READING SNIPPETS OF WHAT HAS BEEN TYPED AND THEN ASSUMING THE REST!

This board hasn't changed at all!

I've invented a new genre called 'Footstompin', my friend Brian (a producer) loves it too and therefore this genre is GROWING AT THE RATE OF 100% PER HOUR!!!

Freeform is now officially no longer the fastest growing subgenregenre

Freeform is dead, long live the Footstompin!!

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Originally Posted by Tony

yes, i have never listened to this new oxymoron of a dance music called 'freeform' because even your descriptions contain styles of music that i am not interested in at all.

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I don't understand how you can intelligently comment on something that you haven't listened to, and something that you have never heard of, sorry.

Why not give it a listen yourself, then your comments may carry more weight :)

I reckon that ppl who are into a limited range of genres (not that there is anything wrong with that) are not exposed to other, equally important ones. I mean, Hardstyle here on Blackout is recognised, but I wouldn't say that in general it is any more popular than freeform ... it's just what you are exposed to or choose to listen to etc.

And before you say anything, I feel qualified to comment given that I play a wide range of genres, including hardstyle, freeform and techno, amongst others :)

im disappointed by the attutide of some ppl in this thread.

maybe im just getting old but i believe in respecting other styles of music even if your not into them.

wish i had never read this thread cause obvisouly if you dont agree with what certain members have posted your wrong.
i had no idea techno heads knew everything there was to know about music.
i dont like being patronised either and tony i will dance my "little sox off" to whatever i like thank you ;)

cat i agree with everything you've said however i have the feeling your wasting your breath.

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Originally Posted by ~cheeky~

cat i agree with everything you've said however i have the feeling your wasting your breath.

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Cheers for the support mate :) Yeah - I guess some ppl's minds are made up and they're not up for listening to anything anyone says. Serox asked the question then dismissed the answer! WTF? It's like not knowing what an igloo is, and asking an eskimo, and when they reply 'a dwelling made of ice' only to say 'no it's not! it doesn't exist! it's a house!' *awaits discussion on whether or not an igloo is a house, or indeed if a bungalow should be classified as such*

Genres can be overdone, but if everybody understands what is meant by a specific genre does it really matter? It is a useful tool to describe certain different kinds of music, saves a lot of breath/time/typing. And if someone asks what is understood by a particular genre and they get an answer, surely all they need to do is go 'ok, thanks for that, I'll know what ppl are talking about next time they mention freeform'

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Originally Posted by Sincs

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I am being schooled by som1 who mixes this music. He is letting me know that the music he mixes will be remembered for longer than tracks like Energy Flash, Jesus loves acid and Mentasm etc.

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I NEVER SAID THAT YOU TWAT!

Jesus talk about twsting words!

What my point was/is that the sound of hoovers is now unoriginal, and on the very rare occasion does a producer do something inventive with this sound, which if used right, cant be awesome!

Acid is the same, it is an old sound (hense unoriginal), but producers are using it in many different ways.. Bass lines, melodies, percussion, stabs etc etc.

As for the old "rave era" classics, these will be around for a long time to come, but there are always new tunes being made in all genres being made, and a certain percentage (no matter how small) WILL become classics, and remembered for a long time.. 9 bar for instance!

As for freeform being associated with JAZZ. WTF?? Let me guess, you have never listened to it?

Thats like saying Techno is associated with the bloody wurzels.

Mark, I know you like to keep this forum happy, (and in someways this actually works against the forum) but this has to be said. I will not have my name dragged through shit just because someone is upset because he feels I am "educating" him.

So Serox, if you are man enough, take this on the chin, because you really (and from the looks of it, most of the people who have replied to this thread) haven't got a clue. You even had a go against Hardstyle, both times it is apparent that you don't listen to the music, so how can you have a strong enough viewpoint to comment on it?

GROW UP!

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ok cool. i will take this on the chin sir. Lets just agree to disagree cos i really cannot talk to about this with you anymore. we both think the other is talking shit or what ever. I asked some of the people here what they though freeform was, maybe most of them are wrong :?:

Are there any producers on this forum who make freeform? Can some one link us all to some MP3's which are freeform?

[quote="serox"][quote="Sincs"]

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Are there any producers on this forum who make freeform? Can some one link us all to some MP3's which are freeform?

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Simple, go to www.nuenergy.co.uk and click on Hardcore/Freeform

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Originally Posted by TechnoRaver

Yeh this genre is probably labelled wrong, but its got more potential than any dance music genre at the moment.
freefrom isnt just sped up hard trance, youve got quite a few tracks which come very close to hardcore techno.
To be honest uf you can find techno interesting you must be able to find something you like in freeform.

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ok, i am really getting confused here now.


I have asked if som1 could post some MP3's to some freeform records so we can hear them.

I have heard some freeform sets and i would not call it any thing like hardcore techno! The kick drum is nothing like hardcore techno. Hardcore techno does not have long build ups. Hardcore techno are people like manu le marlin, acardipane, horrorist, miro. They also make gabber.

Dunno what they have done to the site, but the random stuff starts at page 3. I wouldn't really say the first couple of pages give a good overview of Freeform.

Especially listen to stuff on Nu Energy, Relentless, CLSM, Raw Elements, Blizzard Trax

check out tunes on uprising, bonkers, digi beats and you will see what i mean, and only said "some come close....."

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Originally Posted by Tony

sorry people, but you are all so totally wrong, in a potentially corrct kinda way. what you are describing is a word that has been applied by silly people to music that they cant describe because its such a bastardisation of too many genres.

freeform, across only a limited amount of genres, MAINLY JAZZ, is music that has an underlying time signature that all the musicians adhere to, but the music thay play over the top melts over the rhythmical structure yet conforms to the melodic patterns that are preset within the standard.
eg, they are counting the rhythm subliminally, and they are working off an established melodic pattern or a specific melodic direction through various notes. what it sounds like is a total mess of 'freeform' improvisation as each musician improvises around the notes, but instinctively counting the rhythm regardless of the barrage of sound. but at a specific given point they could all drop back into 'the hookline' for what is essentially 'the chorus' and prove that they are spot on in a musical structure sense.

to apply this to a 'hybrid of trance and hardcore and sped up hard house' is quite humourous. freeform implies freedom, but all these genres work within such definite preset and very limited pattern structures and rhythms that it doesnt even do the dictionary definition of the word justice.

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[quote="Sincs"][quote="serox"]

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Originally Posted by Sincs

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Are there any producers on this forum who make freeform? Can some one link us all to some MP3's which are freeform?

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Simple, go to www.nuenergy.co.uk and click on Hardcore/Freeform

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I gave a link earlier in this thread to my freeform mix.... Guess you didn't read my post.

http://mixes.catjane.co.uk/Cat.mp3

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Originally Posted by TechnoRaver

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Originally Posted by Tony

yes, i have never listened to this new oxymoron of a dance music called 'freeform' because even your descriptions contain styles of music that i am not interested in at all.

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But i think you should still give it ago, open your ears, i bet u could find stuff you liked.

Someone wanted some examples of classic freeform


http://audio.nuenergy.co.uk/samples/nunrg017-a.rm

http://audio.nuenergy.co.uk/samples/nunrg033-a.rm

http://audio.nuenergy.co.uk/samples/bkr004-a.rm

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ok, are people really trying to sell me that this horrible music is like Hardcore Techno? there is nothing hardcore about it, there is nothing techno about it?

That music sounded like nurg (like the name said) with some cheesy riffs :(

Umm, I dont think ANYONE said it was like hardcore techno.

Hardcore yes, but not techno

What does any of this have to do with Techno?

[quote="Sincs"][quote="serox"]

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Originally Posted by Sincs

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Are there any producers on this forum who make freeform? Can some one link us all to some MP3's which are freeform?

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Simple, go to www.nuenergy.co.uk and click on Hardcore/Freeform

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i posted that link on page bloody one.

tell you what i think

http://www.harderfaster.net/images/u...592b8cae2c.jpg

big mistake asking the question in boa in the first place imo :doh:

[quote="Sincs"]

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Originally Posted by Tony

well, i cant really comment anymore cos i'm just a punter, and due to the fact that noone else on here is a producer except mark and a few others, and none of us know anything about anything, we really dont have any opinion at all.................................

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what a loser!!!
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OK, if you want to go down that route, I ASSUMED that Serox was talking about large scale producers, (if you are one then fair enough, but I dont know who you are), if that is a case, then I am sure there are a hell of a lot more Producers on BT than there is on here anyway.

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did you read any of the messages above??

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NO! My sole aim was to reply to the bullshit that Serox has put up about me.

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understand that you're dealing with a tiny weeny microcosm of music that will make as much of a dent on the musical world as a bug makes to the window of an articulated lorry, whatever you choose to call it, and however misappropriated the word is.

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Thanks to the misguided prick that is Serox, people have got the wrong end of what I was saying. All I said is that Freeform is the fastest growing genre in the way of popularity, simply for one reason and one reason only - it's fairnly new.
NEVER ONCE have I said that this genre will make a huge impact on the music industry - NOR WILL I EVER DO SO!

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yes, i have never listened to this new oxymoron of a dance music called 'freeform' because even your descriptions contain styles of music that i am not interested in at all.

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Tell me when I have posted up my "discriptions" of this genre?!?!?!

IT IS BECAUSE OF SHIT LIKE THIS I LEFT. PEOPLE NOT READING POSTS, BUT INSTEAD READING SNIPPETS OF WHAT HAS BEEN TYPED AND THEN ASSUMING THE REST!

This board hasn't changed at all!

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i posted my previous post b4 reading this one. Damn u really are excited arnt you? I cannot rem what was said now as my comments have all been removed from the BT forum. You was asking me to try and name 10 records that have made a impact on dance music, like there isnt any??

I was trying to say how this freeform music has not made a impact on the dance scene or has done any thing for it at this time. I also said i could not say i have heard of any freeform producers that have really made any change (good or bad) for dance music either.

There is no need to get personal and call me names and thee is no need to say how good the BT website is compared to hear. I dont think (maybe i am wrong) there are more artists who visit/post on the BT forum that have done some thing positive for dance music in some way, compared to here tho.