Concensus on Ableton DJ sets? Surgeon, Ho, Cowie, etc..

I think one thing we all as djs/producers/whatever is that the audience does not give a rat's ass about how good your skills are...we do...us djs give a rat's ass about technical skills and what not. But, I've had to overcome this skill issue and realize that the majority of the people listening don't care...If it sounds good and maybe they bob their head or they dance, then your mission as a performer is accomplished. I still trainspot everytime i hear a dj spin, but for the most part, I now just aim for the music to sound good, no matter the medium used.

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Originally Posted by Internal Error Records

I just saw Surgeon.
And I heard him.


He sounded awesome.
He looked lame.


We might as well put int one of his cd's and save the $$$.

But sound quality does count for something.

The problem is in Albeton DJ sets is there is no TURNTABLISM.

Ableton djs are another step closer to putting all DJs out of work.

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give me a f*cking break.



look for a new gunjack interview this week dealing with ableton etc. :rambo:

The few sets I've seen done on Ableton have really bored me to tears.
It takes the art of performance away. Sure, you still need to know what your doing, how to put a good set together etc but it's just really boring.

I wanna see/hear the DJ manipulate the vinyl and show me his technical skill.
I wanna hear a record start to driftout and have to be nudged back. Ableton just don't sound the same.

It's probably perfect for surgeon 'cos it suits his style perfectly (i.e. dull) .
But for someone like James Ruskin to use it? Come on man and pull yer self together and do it proper!!!

[quote="DJ Becka"]

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Originally Posted by GothamGrooves.com

By "DJ" standards the cunt on the radio who doesnt even know how to mix just talks and press's play, and he is considered a "DJ".

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No, the proper term for those people is 'On Air Personality' ;) quote]

Now your radio skillz pay off? lol no doubt, but how about on air cunts then? :lol: I totally see what you are saying about surgeon and the beat matching but again like I stated before they are 2 diff worlds. I dont think you can judge it soley on beat matching criteria because thats not whats its for. Like some1 else posted before this whole technolgy is still new and vinyl dj's are the industry standard. Either way as long as dope techno parties are around ill be happy with both.

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Originally Posted by yeswehavetheright

The few sets I've seen done on Ableton have really bored me to tears.
It takes the art of performance away. Sure, you still need to know what your doing, how to put a good set together etc but it's just really boring.

I wanna see/hear the DJ manipulate the vinyl and show me his technical skill.
I wanna hear a record start to driftout and have to be nudged back. Ableton just don't sound the same.

It's probably perfect for surgeon 'cos it suits his style perfectly (i.e. dull) .
But for someone like James Ruskin to use it? Come on man and pull yer self together and do it proper!!!

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How can you say Surgeon's dull? Every set he's dropping new edits that he's been working on. He's the most innovative person in techno right now. James Ruskin is the duller of the pair with his minimal-a-thon sets.

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Originally Posted by Stretch

He's the most innovative person in techno right now.

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Word?

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Originally Posted by Joseph Isaac

I think one thing we all as djs/producers/whatever is that the audience does not give a rat's ass about how good your skills are...we do...us djs give a rat's ass about technical skills and what not. But, I've had to overcome this skill issue and realize that the majority of the people listening don't care...If it sounds good and maybe they bob their head or they dance, then your mission as a performer is accomplished. I still trainspot everytime i hear a dj spin, but for the most part, I now just aim for the music to sound good, no matter the medium used.

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Excellent, you have your head on straight :)

The only people that truly really give a shit if you spin a vinyl record back and forth a few times as you cue the next track with your head cocked to the side are wannabe dj's. no-one else.

Let the focus be on music so techno can keep moving on please.

Good on Surgeon and the other guys. Perhaps all this talk is a touch of jelousy being displeyed by traditional dj's?

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Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

Doesn't matter which brush or pen is used,
as long as the painting is priceless.

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that is absolutely beautiful. :) :) :) may i quote you? ;)

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Originally Posted by yeswehavetheright

The few sets I've seen done on Ableton have really bored me to tears.
It takes the art of performance away. Sure, you still need to know what your doing, how to put a good set together etc but it's just really boring.

I wanna see/hear the DJ manipulate the vinyl and show me his technical skill.
I wanna hear a record start to driftout and have to be nudged back. Ableton just don't sound the same.

It's probably perfect for surgeon 'cos it suits his style perfectly (i.e. dull) .
But for someone like James Ruskin to use it? Come on man and pull yer self together and do it proper!!!

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dull? hmmm...

just saw surgeon last night, and this is what i have to say:

BRILLIANT musically. shook my ass, as did everyone else. the room was completely buggin the **** out, and at the end of the day, that's all that matters.

as far as performance goes, do have to agree that watching the expressionless laptop stare was pretty lackluster, but thankfully there were so many hands in the air and people screaming that i forgot about that fairly quickly.

i think at the end of the day, whatever you find that suits your particular personality or musical expression, then that is what you will be good at. know your strengths and weaknesses as an artist, and you will do what you need to.

i personally know that i love the turntables, and have little need to stare at a laptop while performing. adam jay really seems to dig the flexibility of ableton these days. so we each do what we think suits our particular personalities, and i think the music is better for it.

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Originally Posted by djshiva

dull? hmmm...

just saw surgeon last night, and this is what i have to say:

BRILLIANT musically. shook my ass, as did everyone else. the room was completely buggin the **** out, and at the end of the day, that's all that matters.

as far as performance goes, do have to agree that watching the expressionless laptop stare was pretty lackluster, but thankfully there were so many hands in the air and people screaming that i forgot about that fairly quickly.

i think at the end of the day, whatever you find that suits your particular personality or musical expression, then that is what you will be good at. know your strengths and weaknesses as an artist, and you will do what you need to.

i personally know that i love the turntables, and have little need to stare at a laptop while performing. adam jay really seems to dig the flexibility of ableton these days. so we each do what we think suits our particular personalities, and i think the music is better for it.

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I heard a rumour that he pre-programs all his sets anyway and just plays tomb raider.

there you are! :rambo:

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Originally Posted by yeswehavetheright

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Originally Posted by djshiva

dull? hmmm...

just saw surgeon last night, and this is what i have to say:

BRILLIANT musically. shook my ass, as did everyone else. the room was completely buggin the **** out, and at the end of the day, that's all that matters.

as far as performance goes, do have to agree that watching the expressionless laptop stare was pretty lackluster, but thankfully there were so many hands in the air and people screaming that i forgot about that fairly quickly.

i think at the end of the day, whatever you find that suits your particular personality or musical expression, then that is what you will be good at. know your strengths and weaknesses as an artist, and you will do what you need to.

i personally know that i love the turntables, and have little need to stare at a laptop while performing. adam jay really seems to dig the flexibility of ableton these days. so we each do what we think suits our particular personalities, and i think the music is better for it.

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I heard a rumour that he pre-programs all his sets anyway and just plays tomb raider.

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There was a bit of both when I saw him last friday.. He has a lot of elements, ie tunes like La real or house of god already on the grid along with kick drums and synths. But he was manipulating and brining things in and out on the fly

Seen a few ableton sets recently, the music and atmosphere was amazing, so whats the problem? If someone is sh!t people will vote with their feet no matter what equipment the shit music is being played on. Surgeon is where he is for a reason, cos a lot of people like the music that comes out of the speakers, no matter what it's created on.

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