Why Vinyl WILL Die ;)

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Originally Posted by eyeswithoutaface

this debate has got to be in the top 3 ever techno internet debates by now surely? :)

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Yeah. Techno artists/producers are kinda retarded with this whole obsession of sound quality and image. There's the 'vinyl sounds better' people, and then there's the 'vinyl looks cooler' people, and then the 'Ableton gives more creativity' people and so on and so on. I show my brother this stuff who plays in a rock band and he's like "Who gives a flying **** either way? Just make music and quit being obsessive compulsive homos. It's all about the girls in the end anyway!!" Haha, and it's true! If the ladies like your techno, be it from vinyl or Ableton, you won't really give a ****. You guys worry too much about the other techno-heads in the crowd that are actually noticing the things that the drunk ladies don't even give a **** about. Make techno that makes girls horny by whatever means possible... that's my philosophy. (well a big part atleast heh)

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Originally Posted by Spire

Jay Pace: Then go buy a guitar and get on stage, the chicks won't even care about the fact that you totally suck and your amp's speaker is blown. ;D DJs don't got shit on lead guitarists! Or buy a TC Helicon and sing your way into their hearts...

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:lol:

Man, did I get it wrong with final scratch.

I should have just bought myself some tight leather trousers and whinged into a microphone.

Played out with FS2 for the first time this weekend.

Bye Bye Vinyl.

vinyl is great. one of the only forms of mutlimedia that cant be copied illegally.

Wanna bet?

http://content.answers.com/main/cont...x-VRX-2000.jpg

A snip at £2k

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Originally Posted by djfilthmonger

vinyl is great. one of the only forms of mutlimedia that cant be copied illegally.

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eh? people have been doing this for years, from small artists in their studio's to business's on the high street

people have been doing what for years coping music or coping records ???

1.MP3 ---> i always have WAV due to the fact i only use my own loops/trax when using Ableton, ot i record vinyl as WAV & snip out loops.

2.Vinyl Cutters ---> overpriced & not that good. had 3 records done by various ppl with different machines, and they arent very good at all. noy only are the machines a few grand, ya need to know how to re-master for cutting, the vinyl is very very expensive and they dont last too long at all.

anyway, i linked the article as a good read, nit becaudse i believe the whole oiece. jus thought it was one of the better small articles on the subject. oh, and i do think its on its way out.

I hope vinyl doesnt die out. im not into ableton and all that myself.
much better to go out and watch someone using vinyl, its not ALL about the way it sounds and the technology used, i think a bit of it is about interacting/ watchin what a dj is doing too.. i dont get the same buzz off watching someone on a laptop, probably cos i cant see how theyre making it happen or see what effort is involved? I think alot of people that go to parties just to go out and dance, and that arent dj's or music producers, would agree...... but thats just my opinion.

im gonna keep bying vinyl anyways even if it turns out to be that in the next 5 years the majority of people are buying or rippin mp3's off the net :)

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Originally Posted by Dustin Zahn

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Originally Posted by Martin Dust

Oil is going knowhere for a long time and won't really be a factor in what happens to vinyl, it has never impacted on the price and I don't see a reason why it should start now.

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http://www.peak-oil.org/

If you don't believe we're already experiencing the effects of peak oil then you're in la la land.

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Not really the poing I was making, which was that it won't impact on the price...but I do take your point on-board...

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Originally Posted by djfilthmonger

people have been doing what for years coping music or coping records ???

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both

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Originally Posted by roxy

I hope vinyl doesnt die out. im not into ableton and all that myself.
much better to go out and watch someone using vinyl, its not ALL about the way it sounds and the technology used, i think a bit of it is about interacting/ watchin what a dj is doing too.. i dont get the same buzz off watching someone on a laptop, probably cos i cant see how theyre making it happen or see what effort is involved? I think alot of people that go to parties just to go out and dance, and that arent dj's or music producers, would agree...... but thats just my opinion.

im gonna keep bying vinyl anyways even if it turns out to be that in the next 5 years the majority of people are buying or rippin mp3's off the net :)

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I agree that being able to watch someone spin some vinyl is fun to watch and wonder about. Like what record is that they're spinning and the beat-matching (HOW DO THEY DO IT!? ;x). But truthfully, I am more interested in the actual songs that are being played. Ableton ( and non-Ableton live acts in general), to me, is the only direction techno truly has, in my mind. Beat matching is cool and all, but damn it's boring already. It was cool the first time, before I had any knowledge of the skill. But it seems to me like techno is only being limited by the age old turntables. Now, don't get me wrong, I LOVE hearing two tracks mix into each other perfectly. There's nothing like the energy of hearing two tracks being mixed, you can't duplicate it. But people talk about the techno scene dying and you wanna know why? I think it's because being a DJ is just that, a disc jockey. They're NOT PERFORMERS. I honestly hate standing in front of the DJ booth staring down at the DJs decks looking like a total dickweed. I prefer walking around the club, listening to the music while at the same time having some fun. If I want to watch a performance, I'll go see Korn or Tool live in concert.

I think Ableton is a beautiful thing. The whole mix 1 track into another track into another and into another... is OLD and boring. How about some guy making beats on the fly with some Roland Electronic Drums plugged into Ableton? Some Laurent Garnier style shit, but hard-techno. I saw some video with a kid doing this with DnB, wasn't all that great but, it was a forward thinking idea that pushed the limits.

It just seems to me like all the vinyl lovers out there just can't let go, not that they probably even really want to. But honestly, techno will die if it's doesn't start changing up it's old habits here. Techno is not about performing or image, it's about the music and live acts will ultimately save it's life...

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It just seems to me like all the vinyl lovers out there just can't let go, not that they probably even really want to. But honestly, techno will die if it's doesn't start changing up it's old habits here. Techno is not about performing or image, it's about the music and live acts will ultimately save it's life...

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Well, techno will be about performance if we step away from the DJ concept completely. Have multiple producers playing all at once. Adam Beyer, Umek, Jel Ford, Glenn Wilson... all droppin tracks of their own on the same set.

your talking about doing away with the backbone of a whole scene, if anything was to kill a scene that relies so heavily on djing it would be that. Techno IS about performance now. Always has been. Dj'ing taken beyond just mixing one tune into another. You honestly saying the likes of Ruskin, Sims, Clarke, Carl Cox etc are not performers? These guys are capable of using deck's in ways other's simply cannot even rationalise in their heads at times, the music may not be what your into all the time, but there is no denying that techno is a scene that practically thrives on performance, week in week out. There are hundreds of people playing live sets, live pa's etc and people like Underground Resistance who play as whole 8 piece bands, check out Los Hermanos, Galaxy To Galaxy etc etc

This thread is not about needing to enhance the visual aspect in techno, it's just the age old format wars thread, the classic "vinyl - will it ever die or not" debate. The answer is yes, it will, probably not in our lifetime, but as a non-renewable energy source, oil will 100% definately run out one day, and so will it's by products.

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Originally Posted by Sunil

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Originally Posted by dodgyedgy

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how the **** do you mix stuff you've not heard for a start...

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You ARE joking i hope? ..

i dont know where to begin. ;)

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Why is he joking?

The author from what I took in from that article is the stereotypical 'cool' DJ priding himself on playing "upfront" music and getting lots of promos... when the fact is he should probably try a bit harder in approaching DJing tham merely playing just the latest tunes he gets in the post. How the hell do you expect to give people a proper set if you're playing four hours of music you only got that week?!

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Eh?

Being a good DJ is having the ability to do all of these things. Knowing your music inside out is great and really helps.. but having the ability to quickly preview a record and make a decision about the set there and then is an essential skill too.

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Sorry, thats lost on me as well.

Playing out records you've never heard before sounds completely barmy to me.

well it's something i know alot of the bigger guys have to get used to sometimes, promo's come in on the day of a gig, you might really wanna play it and you dont have much time to get a feel for the record etc etc

i personally always like to firmly know what's in my box practically inside out before a gig, but ive had records passed to me on the night of a gig by other producers and ive played it out still that night, technically it can be done, practically it's better to get to know the record first

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Originally Posted by Spire

Ableton ( and non-Ableton live acts in general), to me, is the only direction techno truly has.....techno scene dying and you wanna know why? I think it's because being a DJ is just that, a disc jockey. They're NOT PERFORMERS.

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Eh? So you're saying that DJing is killing the techno scene? And that Ableton is the only thing that's gonna save it? Are you playing devils advocate here or do you really believe that? How odd.

There's more to djing than being a musical jukebox.
I've seen some atrociously lazy ableton dj sets. Where the dj might as well have just sent their laptop along, and stayed at home.

There will always be appeal to listen to a variety of different productions. Plus ableton has just been integrated as another tool in some of the best dj setups - thinking specifically of Ruskin & Hawtin here.

Ableton is just another tool to be used. Its not a direction in its own right. In the wrong hands its just as boring and dull as any other tool.

exactly

god, i know people who use ableton that badly that i know for a fact i'd much rather be listening to a guy on ONE turntable, who has to let the tracks play and then flip the record over. Seriously. Ableton is like anything else, you can still know how to use it but still use it, in one's opinion of course, badly. It's like expecting someone whose been playing the guitar 1 year to be able to match the skills of Steve Vai or Chet Atkins just because they are using the same equipment. Doesnt work that way, and techno is too full of people with varying levels of skills to even try and apply a logic such as the example given i.e Ableton being the saviour of Techno.