Loud or Accurate???

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

However, I also thought the TP stage was the chance for you to say, oy, not appy with that, can you sort it.

So a bit of careful negotiation is obviously needed here.

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this is the stage we're at at the moment

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

That`s just bad mastering, not necessarily anything to do with the "quietness" of the track.

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could be

I get a lot of demos where the tracks have obviously all been run through a "maximize waveform to look like a solid lego block" plug-in. There's only so much an engineer could even do with some of the stuff in that state...just throw their hands up in the air and wave them like they just don't care.

I've gone back to artists before and asked them for "unmastered" versions of their tracks. Some had back ups and some didn't and in some cases, I didn't put out the track because of that reason.

Dynamics is the sexy siren.

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Originally Posted by thetonewrecka

IDynamics is the sexy siren.

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god how i'm feeling that siren :eyes:

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Originally Posted by MorePunkThanFunk

its got nothing to do with harsh frequencies, the track is extremely well produced, its just got a lot of top end. which suits the track

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without wanting to sound narky, if the track was extremely well produced, it would need minimal eq at the mastering stage.. if something is well produced, it should sound good on any system and any format i.e on a club system or shitty transistor radio, on CD or Vinyl...

the fact that it has been attempted to be cut louder and it hasn't worked just proved the point of "make it louder, louder always sounds better" is flawed and is coming from people who have no experience of cutting records..

which leads me to another point which is covered in the following links, the "Loudness war" problem.. Because people's ears are becoming so used to hearing over-compressed music (especially in modern pop music), it comes to be expected that everything is that loud, and that louder is always better.. check these links on what a few others had to say on the subject:

http://georgegraham.com/compress.html
http://www.geocities.com/mjareviews/rant7.html
http://www.airwindows.com/analysis/A...les/index.html

check these too: http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicrange.htm
http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicdeath.htm

great thread people, very informative read with deadly links.....
hope you get it sorted MPTF

Great read all that lot Crime..

I'm just at the point where i'm getting my head into all of that side of things... V helpfull....! :)

yeah , cheers for all the in-put guys all been very usefull.