VINYL WILL SURVIVE - Great Article!!

this isnt an article, its basically one person's opinion, but extended. No different to what gets posted on these boards. There are no fact's or logical arguments in it, just a guy who loves his vinyl and doesnt wanna see it cease production, which strangely enough, is just the same as EVERYONE else no matter what side of the fence your on with the cd vs vinyl arguement. There is no escaping hard truth such as one day, the core ingredient needed to produce vinyl and vinyl products will one day run out, and production will slowly cease of vinyl and vinyl by products, etc etc. If someones gonna take part in the old vinyl will die/no it wont debate, they should at least seperate from personal opinion and logical fact

thats the point though. there is no 'fact' as to whether vinyl will survive or not, it has to be opinion,
He never expresses his opinions as 'fact'

the wording and the title of this thread insinuate that this article is something of the hardline when it comes to this argument, no one said that this guy say's this is fact, but its, in my opinion of course, an overblown blog that doesnt really say anything that hasnt been said before.

ok there is no fact as to wether it will survive, but lets say there are stronger arguments when looking at the fact, and it really is just that, the products needed to create vinyl will one day run out completely, i'd say definately NOT in our lifetime, but one day it will it's a non-renewable energy source, and then slowly, over, i'd imagine, a long and steady period of time reserves will dry up, and the by products of oil will start to cease production, with the lesser important/poorest quality by products being ousted first, and vinyl is one of the lowest quality by products of oil.

hopefully by then something will have come along with the benefits of mp3/the digital age, but in a sellable format like mark said, something people can physically buy and play to keep that nostalgia going etc etc i really could only speculate and hope on that front

to put it simply in my opinion i think vinyl will not cease production in our lifetime, or certainly in people's "career" span, say the next 20, 30 years or something, but i do think it will, overall, eventually cease to be produced.

i have to admit at much as i still love vinyl, i have purposely moved myself out of the solely producing for vinyl frame of mind and it has certainly helped my production too and opened my mind up to all sorts of other idea's. It's great getting records back in the post all pressed up but ultimately i think overall these days alot more people are becoming pleased that they can just at least get their music out there, be it on vinyl, mp3, netlabel, CD etc etc

which is what it's all about really :)

Weird article

He basically sounds like an antique collector with a plastic fetish - "I love to caress the black plastics sensual curves and muse to myself about all the lives, the loves and the sorrows of the people who have owned the records before me"
What a weiner.

If that geek is the future of vinyl, I'm melting down all my records on principle.
And fashioning them into a giant digital robo-cock.

Horses die too, but not all at once. They go slowly, just like we do. Do yourself a favour, and age gracefully with your horse. They’re not dead, they’re elderly, and they need your care and respect.

I suppose this whole thing’s based on a bogus choice ‘horse or a car’. We don’t have to choose. I’ll eventually buy myself a car and start using it, in conjunction with my horse. But don’t expect me to love the car. That’s a leap I’ll never make. Can you? Do you really ‘love’ your car? Can you cherish the wheel? I can only speak for myself and my horses, the only animals I keep that capture my imagination, just as they capture something of the magic of transportation in space and time. And that’s something that no car can ever do.


When you substitute the words 'vinly' and 'mp3' with some outdated dilemma you can see this is just one man's struggle with progress.
Use vinly, use digital, in 2006 who really cares.

see.. thats the rub innit. some ppl are stuck on the 'digital v vinyl' debater, but thats not the issue. the issue is rising cost & depleating raw material.

that guy IS a vinyl fanatic.. hes not talking a balance, hes simply punting HIS view & knocking anything else.

i dont think vinyl will jus stop dead. i think it will phase out slowly. and who knows whts around the corner in the format wars. 10 years ago, did u see Ableton coming ? i didnt.

if ppl wanna discuss the 'vinyl v digital' aspect thats cool. but i dont think MP3 etc will be the reason for the death of vinyl as a medium. it will be a complex combination of price & raw material & usability.

for example, i think the new postage system in UK is gonna up the cost of buying records online. the record isnt any more expensive, but the means of purchase & shipment will increase.

there are many many pro's & cons to digital & vinyl, and these arent the reasons for one superceeding the other, they are reasons for preference.

personally, i want to see techno (and all electronic music) move forward, and not jus in musicallity, also in the way we can use/abuse it.. does anyone really wanna see techno STILL exclusively a vinyl orientated genre 10 years from now ? i dont. i want it to move.. even if i dont like all the progressions, at least it IS moving.

I think this thread shows how mentally insane we all are about our little hobbie we like to call "techno". Most people who aren't into to techno would probably come to this forum and think, "Jesus, these ****s are pretty obsessive about this techno shit of theirs...". >;D

Agreed Module, who actually cares as long as the music continues to find new directions and innovate as it always has. My only gripe with the digital revolution is that is has allowed so many more talentless 'DJ' types to be able to churn out mainstream, boring music in a fashion that ignorant promoters can't find fault in becasue it is seamlessly mixed, albeit unbelieveably and disgracefully unimaginatively. Its opened the door to the waves of wannabe bedroom DJs who litter the smaller nights of our lands, weakening our music by boring their audiences into thinking thats what its all about. rant over :p

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Originally Posted by Remade

Horses die too, but not all at once. They go slowly, just like we do. Do yourself a favour, and age gracefully with your horse. They’re not dead, they’re elderly, and they need your care and respect.

I suppose this whole thing’s based on a bogus choice ‘horse or a car’. We don’t have to choose. I’ll eventually buy myself a car and start using it, in conjunction with my horse. But don’t expect me to love the car. That’s a leap I’ll never make. Can you? Do you really ‘love’ your car? Can you cherish the wheel? I can only speak for myself and my horses, the only animals I keep that capture my imagination, just as they capture something of the magic of transportation in space and time. And that’s something that no car can ever do.

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Dude, you got some weird horse thing going on.

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Originally Posted by Spire

I think this thread shows how mentally insane we all are about our little hobbie we like to call "techno". Most people who aren't into to techno would probably come to this forum and think, "Jesus, these **** are pretty obsessive about this techno shit of theirs...". >;D

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haha, although you'd get the same discussions on any music forum, i think

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Originally Posted by Remade

Horses die too, but not all at once. They go slowly, just like we do. Do yourself a favour, and age gracefully with your horse. They’re not dead, they’re elderly, and they need your care and respect.

I suppose this whole thing’s based on a bogus choice ‘horse or a car’. We don’t have to choose. I’ll eventually buy myself a car and start using it, in conjunction with my horse. But don’t expect me to love the car. That’s a leap I’ll never make. Can you? Do you really ‘love’ your car? Can you cherish the wheel? I can only speak for myself and my horses, the only animals I keep that capture my imagination, just as they capture something of the magic of transportation in space and time. And that’s something that no car can ever do.

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dude, this is seriously gay.

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Originally Posted by Miromiric

dude, this is seriously gay.

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Go back to Ableton you.

Vinyl is going to stay a struggle for smaller labels. It's going to continue to sell decently for other labels, and to be pressed as normal by the bigger labels and majors.

I think the vinyl vs digital debate should be left alone for a few years, we're not far enough into the supposed digital takeover to judge if vinyl will be totally wiped out. Also, the oil issue isn't worth talking about now either. Lets wait to see if any of these things do actually happen, and within our lifetime... then talk about it!

The day I get to release anything on vinyl will be a happy, happy day for me.

Still more kudos with a plastic release. Despite the fact that I would't play it myself, its a benchmark knowing that someone thought you were worth it.

i choose vinyl as a medium of presenting my work to the world simply because it is still the choice of the most, regardless of how gay i think vinyl is.

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Originally Posted by Miromiric

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Originally Posted by Remade

Horses die too, but not all at once. They go slowly, just like we do. Do yourself a favour, and age gracefully with your horse. They’re not dead, they’re elderly, and they need your care and respect.

I suppose this whole thing’s based on a bogus choice ‘horse or a car’. We don’t have to choose. I’ll eventually buy myself a car and start using it, in conjunction with my horse. But don’t expect me to love the car. That’s a leap I’ll never make. Can you? Do you really ‘love’ your car? Can you cherish the wheel? I can only speak for myself and my horses, the only animals I keep that capture my imagination, just as they capture something of the magic of transportation in space and time. And that’s something that no car can ever do.

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dude, this is seriously gay.

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so is the original article

haha, what a wanky pile of turd that article. get with the times asshole :)

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Originally Posted by Miromiric

i choose vinyl as a medium of presenting my work to the world simply because it is still the choice of the most, regardless of how gay i think vinyl is.

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thing is, ur not presenting it to the world, you're presenting it to a very small minority. Vinyl is cool, but it isn't practical and thats what sucks in the end :(

Additionally, it is not the vinly or digital as a medium that is the problem. It is the fact that some people only wish to increase the size of their E-penis. Vinly is a physical object that has history attached to it and can easily showcase one's awesomeness. Mp3 is not.
Additionally additionally it is very inspiring to see 4 pages of posts about the medium and not about the content.

I don't like music.
I like plastic.
Oh, the plastic. The plastic. The plastic.