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I totally disagree that Hardstyle is harder hard house. The Dutch Hardstyle can be sort of scene as that, because they use very similar synth stabs to hoovers.
Italian style Hardstyle is in a no way like hard house... its very wierd and monotone, hard house is no way like this.
sorry m8 it is imo becos both basically concentrate on bass not enuff imagination any where else and whats more similar about syles these is nearly every track of hardtsyle i hear is same and not different this was the probably hardhouse's main faultQuote:
Originally Posted by Hakka
I think this topic is loosing site...
Facts I believe to be true...
M-ZONE has put a massive input to the scene and done brilliant work for the underground world.
M-ZONE has the ability to pick great tunes, whether that be the present hardstyle or trance of the past.
M-ZONE has a unique mixing style, which is very fast and to deliver tunes so that the bass lines and hard kicks are complemented well.
M-ZONE make minor mistakes at the espense of offering a faster paced set.
M-ZONE recently has blended more older stuff with newer due to internet bringing newer tunes to us at same time as M-Zone finds them.
- Below is what I disagree with...
M-Zone's mixing is poor. It simply is not, he mixes a very different way which IS TOTALLY BRILLIANT to hear on the dance floor, but as Voorheez says, can be easily be picked at if heard on CD/TAPE.
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M-Zone is a legend, great DJ, great guy... nuff said.
trust me your not listening to enough hard style then... and I don't mean that as the be all and end all, I just think you aren't hearing enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by macca
Hardstyle isn't about JUST being hard, its basically the music at the harder end of the hard trance spectrum (its evolved from it). It's more about the PERCUSSION and STRUCTURE which the "hardness is delivered". The bass is very important, but its the quirky riff which goes with it which gives the track its unique style. Hardstyle is power and energy at a good tempo. Hard House for me is not this.
Hard House is exactly what it is, and I'm sorry but I think you couldn't mistake the two in a million years. They sound different and are completely different in design and theme.
Also I'm sorry that I disagree with you, hey your entitled to your opinion but I do love my hardstyle and I think that you are wrong to suggest it is like hard house. In that case why don't l like hard house?Quote:
Originally Posted by macca
Respect your thoughts and opinions though mate, I've taken them in. ;)
i believe most people dont like hard house be cos of the commercial side of it an the twat money load djs that play it, an they seem 2 be moving on 2 hardstyleQuote:
Originally Posted by Hakka
good point about the commercial side of things, but in fairness, I've never liked Hard House.
i hope im wrong as much as i dont like it i wouldnt wanna c these bastards comercialise it an make money of it the twats, all i can say is be true 2 ur own style an good look 2 ya
fair play man.
Well, i've heard plenty of people say 'what a wicked set' about M Zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by macca
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Originally Posted by macca
That track listing shows that M Zone is popular despite not being so upfront with his tunes anymore, because of his style of mixing.Quote:
Originally Posted by macca
Also, those tunes aren't cack and boring and it's not nonsense to say his mixing is good! :nono:
i think m-zones mixing is poor, having said that i havent heard him play a set for a couple of years, yeah its unique, unique in the sense that its so awful, i dont think their are many people much worse at this side of dj'ing.
but i do find programming, far more important, and this is something m-zone is good at. he always played the right tracks, his choice of records were brilliant (far better than marks imo) although their was the time when he dropped "alice deejay - i want u back in my life" which i cannot forgive him for :lol:
and even more importantly, m-zone has a heart, hes both passionate and dedicated about the music he plays, he pioneered the hard trance sound in this country, and was making hard trance when most people on this board were probably still making sandcastles.
respect to the man. :clap: hes a legend, a true legend.
I've been reading back through againg on this post, and some of the things you say and the way you have put them Macca are quite confusing. It seems to me having read them again that you think that mixing is just keeping the beats in line. It isn't, there is far more to it. Structure and placement matter, as does EQ'ing - and it takes a lot of skill to mix fast and makes it sound good.
M Zone does structure very well, he places the next tune perfectly most times and he always mixes fast, playing the best part of the tune (as you yourself say in an earlier post) before banging in the next one. This is all part of mixing, so it baffles me how you say M Zone's mixing is bad!?
Do you DJ yourself? If so, I go back to what I said earlier - try to mix a set like how M Zone mixes, then see what you think of his mixing.
another thing, m-zone has shown complete dedication to trance & hard trance, for over 10 yrs, how many djs can say that? not once did he jump ship, not once did he turn to a genre where the money was. ok hes playin hardstyle now, for obvious reasons. but how many djs stick to one genre for that length of time? m-zone was playin & making trance when 99% of people had never heard of the genre.
your right actually voorheez, i too was a bit over critical of his mixing, to be fair he does keep the tracks short, and yeah he does play the best part of a track. but still their is lots of room for improvement on this side of his game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voorheez
thats 1 off the things i like i must admit ur right there i just think he could the beats inline more often whilst doin this is what i cant understand but it didnt bother me that much back in the day cos his tune selection made up 4 it. i just dont like his tune selection now so i dont look 4 ward 2 hearin his sets any more imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Voorheez
He makes mistakes - a lot of mistakes yes, but it doesn't necessarily make him bad beacause he makes up for it in other areas and because he has the balls to try to mix fast even when it goes wrong occasionally.
I'm sure M Zone could mix intro into outro on each mix and get it perfect, but then if he did, I wouldn't like him so much because it isn't exciting, and that's what I like about him.
WTF
m zone is the bollox !! he does mix quick an this is why his style is ruff,m zones been me fav dj since 94 when he used to help run the doncaster warehouse :twisted: top nights every saturday 8 am finish ;) hes took the scene so far an continues to do so.as for him droppin a few mixes so what if he wanted to im sure he could just play diferent an not short mix but what would m zone be then :neutral: just the same as every other dj :nono: hes the main man :clap: MASSIVE RESPECT TO M ZONE :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: its all about the hardbass :lol:
although mzones mixin aint the best hes still one of the top crowd pleases,so what if he cant mix hes made a name for himself and hell be big for alot longer ;)
...you what? :eh: i hear DJ's 'quick mix' all the time & they still manage to keep tunes in time & beats poppin' so that is NO excuse... :nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by dj vorny
look, M-ZONE was the bollocks a while back. you can NOT diss the man for his work within the scene & he's been a HUGE influence, etc; (it's all been said in this thread & i agree) BUT i honestly think that if he was just starting out & not where he was today, he would struggle to get a play. thats my honest opinion, and before you all shoot me, im entitled to have my own opinion, same as you have yours. if mixing isn't that important, why are any of us learning to mix? you guys say he rocks the dancefloor / club / venue what ever, yes he does. but his mixing is not up to scratch & hes 'rocking' a crowd with the power of his name & upfront tunes. now if 'Joe Blogs' whos a young up & coming DJ hands in a demo tape with quick mixing with rough as fu*k mixes to a promoter, do you think hes going to get a booking? i doubt it. see, i think M-Zone's name is enough to keep him going, you put the name on the flyer, your clubs full. now that might sound PROPER harsh, but its how i see things.
...and before ANY of you type a response to this post, using the wise words of my good friend DJ Abyss..."think about it!"
do you DJ / mix? do you HONESTLY think if you handed in a demo with rough as fu*k mixing you would get a booking? because you KNOW you wouldn't. like i said dodgy Dave with his mobile disco could buy upfront tunes and spin them & rock a floor in a club if there was no weddings for him to do one weekend.
i'll leave the final words to Mr Emotion icon...
:love:-oh dj dodgy dave your the best! drop that titanic track one more time! woop woop!
:clap: :clap: F*kn rite! :clap: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hakka