Question: How would you take techno forward?

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Originally Posted by djvartan

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Originally Posted by DROID

move techno forward? sit in it in the passenger seat of ur mini van drive to 60 mph then crash head on at full speed into a brick wall and watch techno "MOVE FORWARD" thru the windshield :clap:


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i second that!
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I'm pissed.. let me warn ye first. ;)

'Move techno on' blah blah blah the future of techno....

I'm a year out of my loopy/compressssed techno buzz now and I'm having to track down records 7 years old which represent what techno means to me 'today'... (fyi - .Jamie Lidell "Sonely some (o) ney" (Sativae) thanks M)

Its all there. Its been spent to death in every shape or form already. but I think the average techno DJ has taken it to the stage where the records he plays have to be an extention of his penis rather than a musical workout for the punter...

Ctrl Z all the compression and lets hear what you really tapped in (without quantization)

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Ctrl Z all the compression and lets hear what you really tapped in (without quantization)

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what a great quote... :clap:

I am more and more leaning to the edge and about to jump off the producing cliff, purely becoz of what most of you have already mentioned regarding to the stereotyped relationship between Djs, producers and punter.

Djs are not eager to learn new skills, I see a combination of 2 decks and a computer with millions mp3 samples (imagine how many old tunes you could have) would be great. You wouldnt have to spend money on a efx box or a 4 channel efx mixer as you could loop, flanger, sample and all the blah blah on the comp. Had I got some better needles, I would first to master the art of scratching too. Check out Dj Bam Bam, I hear his mixes (probably been doing that for ages anyway), he scratches and mixes like 40 tunes an hour, the only down point is the varity of his tune selection, but if he is into Chigaco, be it, but at least I am assure he is capable to play ANYTHING. Most Djs would qualified for a techno set should they able to beatmatch, and able to chop and cut here and there.... But I personally feel the ability to breakdown your records in your head, and pick the right tune is also very important... Then the next task is to move the crowd, even you have aqquired all the skills and efforts mentioned above, and you dont move a sodding soul on the dancefloor, you might as well stay home to play against 4 walls. Also bear in mind some punter DO NOT WISH to be experimenting with you when they just paid all those dallors for enrties, they might simply just want to go splastic -Then for a good dj, you should please them at the occasion along with as much innovative factors YOU feel they could bear, and if you really feel insulted, dont play for that party again.

But most techno or any other genre djs do not produce and only djing for either a laugh/ hobbie/ attetion.... Only those who are commited to techno and wish to hear innovated stuff for their own well being, but sadly they are the extreme minority.

Tunes wise, I cant teach a Dj to have good ears to sepreate the crappy chewed over identical craps, but listening to everything (including non-dance music) is defo the key, soon you would able to pick out the good elements from each song and stop you buying craps, mainly due to the lack of capital :) I myself discover so much joy with IDM and which I feel go hand in hand with Wonk techno, as crime mentioned, music cant be described with words, but I would like to ask all prroducers to really FEEL each sample before they enforce them, a more related tune with sounds interacting with each other, should it be loopy, trippy, distorted, wonky or anything... Sounds that connect always sound much more clever, and no more tunes I can basically predict the pattern the first time I listen to it "Oh, here is the fat hats coming in... Oh here is the sythny stabs... Oh, here is the breakdown". I cant disrespect simplicity, but there is a label and I am sure you know which one I am on about, that you can have 44 turntables and put the both sides of entire 22 releases on and play them at the same speed, you would hear the drop and breakdowns at the same freaking phrase. Talk about repetitive?

And I guess for labels and producers, using the same technique that had worked for you wouldn't elimulated the chance of failure, and that surely has to be taken out as so many labels died after 3 or 4 pretty much idenitcal releases. I guess you guys are probably limited with your equiments and inspirations, as well as influences from pass sucess would drive you back to the old fomulas. Is it so hard to take time off in between each release to ensure it doesnt sound anything like the last one? Or am I asking too much as it's risking your major income, if so, why not just produce music that sell 6000 copies rather than staying in this scene of minority?

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Eric.

Firstly, can I ask people to READ what I posted above, and digest it please..


[quote="dtl"]why not just produce music that sell 6000 copies rather than staying in this scene of minority/quote]

Ha! Chance would be a fine thing, if I could sell 6000 copies of records on my label, I wouldn't be in half the financial strife I'm in at the moment! And it's not as simple as "Just writing something that will sell 6000 copies", this would lead up the lowest common denominator path very quickly.. If you're going to go about it in the angle of shifting units, then you might as well write pop music, then again, I hear the market for that is pretty volatile these days..
That's not to say that it isn't worth doing techno stuff, I love it, still after 8 years I want to do stuff.. I'm also experimenting though, trying to do other stuff (I.e. not techno, or any genre) that hasn't been put in a box yet....

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I think the average techno DJ has taken it to the stage where the records he plays have to be an extention of his penis rather than a musical workout for the punter...

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Nice one Massplanck, my sentiments entirely! And nice one for the Lidell reference, the man is a true innovator, interestingly enough he moved out of the techno thing pretty quick after some stunning releases (Subhead 1-4, Freekin the Frame 8, Safety in numbers + 1 remix on tresor) and moved on to new territory which I personally think is 10 times more Techno (In attitude if mothing else) than any other supposed techno, check him out live if you want to see what innovation is all about.. Truely stunning...

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Firstly, can I ask people to READ what I posted above, and digest it please..

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Why do you always assume we are not reading and digesting to the degree of your apporavl? Like as if you havent already started a thread about it not long ago. I spent 10 mins reading the whole thread and thought I got a good grip of what you had to say. Hence the reply.

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And it's not as simple as "Just writing something that will sell 6000 copies", this would lead up the lowest common denominator path very quickly.. If you're going to go about it in the angle of shifting units, then you might as well write pop music, then again, I hear the market for that is pretty volatile these days..

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I appericate it is a hard time to put stuff out at the moment, hence it might be wise to ride the steady boat (music for a wider audience) with a different name as you are breaking through with Crime. Obviously the appoarch to sell your music for large units would be a lot different to pressing 400-600 vinyls, human relation for a start, the people, the promotion has all got to shift to a new dimension.

I have no interest in making music as a business as I have seen the extreme hard works from most poducers I met and the disgustingly low reward for such efforts. I am planning to start learning most software audio programs and see how far my ideas could go, but no way would I commit myself in this hostile business. Maybe that's the point of view from a stoned broke business student.

Eric.

just do your thing the best you can and f*ck what everybody says. get your own sound and werk it. :twisted:

Okie I think This will b a summ of my comments but could in some way wrap a but the issue...

In fairness we all think somehow we are doing it somewhat differently or adding our bit, that is the biggest problem, being objective when u r talking about a dear luv 4 music!!

in the end u have 2 b humble enought 2 hear "proper" coments, filter it a bit, analise (like crime said) what can and should (by yer own judgement) b changed... improved if u will!

But u also need 2 change because u feel u need, u should ride the wave, if u stress about doing it different u end up loosing yer soul in yer work, and that's what most of us will get 2, one day u feel that u need 2 let that track take u somewhere, as opposed 2 "..this sounds like XXX so I'll follow the usual "formula" for that style..."

Like I said b4 b different b cause U r and not because u think u should be...

the good and the bad is part of the process, sometimes what u consider now bad was once the best 2 u!! so U learn, error is so much part of the process...

sure most people take the easy way but it's a moral/ art principle that will follow u 4 the rest of yer life... "... my moto is I did it my way..." maybe it's not that different maybe it's just loopy bolloc*s with a tinny different angle but at the end of the day it's my path, the road I need 2 travel, I don't limit my views for sucess or numbers... time will tell... and if it doesn't at least I did it my way and was happy for not selling my soul, doing what I liked the way I liked... that's purelly egotistical...


Being a Pioneer is a very hard thing, no 1 understands u and that is (even if romantic) a very hard thing for any person... in fact the best thing is 2 just b only one step ahead, cause u r a little more into the future but not so far off that no 1 will pay attention (exept when u r dead)...



As for selling a lot a think those artist don't do it differently because they don't want 2 b bothered... a record might have 3-4 tracks... 2 will sell the record the other 2 u can go crazy and show different shi*.. the advent have been bangin' electroish stuff sinde the time at internal... electro wasn't even a genre if u will!!


DO YER THANG the best u can! RESPECT! Learn from every1 (even if it is 2 not make anything similar)!!

Z

Question: How would you take techno forward?


Remember this topic?

I think a lot of the good producers have 1 thing in common they r usually hard workin and take production seriously(dont release editloops lazystuff)

And they try to create their own style(and 4 this u really need to work hard)

my suggestion is dont support(lazy producers).

I dont 4 sure...

this sounds and is really simple but sometimes simple answers r the best.

i love these types of threads btw...

...what i'm trying to do is free myself from convention. easier said than done, sure, but i want to do is make tracks that have at least one or two elements that are not so obvious. that's why i still love old plastikman and aphex (especially polygon window). they are killer on the dancefloor but still sound unique and mysterious.

and a word from the dancefloor...
(btw, a damn nice thread, guys :clap: )

as far as i'm concerned, techno is "an abstract form of music" (kinda silly considering music is an abstract thing in itself :eh: ). but nevertheless it's always been about - oh yes - knowing well what's out there! but then taking that knowledge to avoid what's already been heard over and over again and provide you with something completely different.

that in my opinion is the main gap between conventional music and techno (and the nicest thing about techno for that matter). the typical rules, definitions and perceptions have started to choke music, limiting its potential to only a few geniuses who can still make something fresh - within these rules. that's what's also wrong with a lot of techno today - it's too melted and moulded into one basic shape. it's starting to sound like "the thing it should sound like".

and another great thing about techno is that - basically - it is relatively easy to create (ok, kill me for this one... :roll:) as opposed to conventional music. but making something sound and feel good has become easier. that's why contributing ideas into a genre that is about not going by the book, shouldn't be an issue at all. and going by the book shouldn't be an issue AT ALL.

when you start seriously questioning whether there is anything fresh that can be done in techno - either you're out of it or techno is in serious trouble. i find it a bit arrogant if one thinks one can expect what that next new thing will be: i don't know - it hasn't been heard before :P but i am also humbly optimistic that these things will keep coming...

what i find to be fresh? liveacts.
in record mixing you just can't avoid eventually oversaturing with the same tunes - even if they are good. when you happen to like a certain style, you are sentenced to the few records that the few producers put out. and generally over the time you get fed up with it.
live performers squeeze a lot more variety out of melodics, effects, rhythms, the whole spectrum... and they are noticeably more flexible and style independent. liveacts are the platform where new ideas are the quickest to evolve.

oh and yeah,.. it's got to be heavy. no debate.
i go out to party with a "bring it on" :rambo: grin on my face, and expect nothing less. music's gotta keep givin'!

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Originally Posted by temp_er

and a word from the dancefloor...
(btw, a damn nice thread, guys :clap: )


what i find to be fresh? liveacts.
in record mixing you just can't avoid eventually oversaturing with the same tunes - even if they are good. when you happen to like a certain style, you are sentenced to the few records that the few producers put out. and generally over the time you get fed up with it.
live performers squeeze a lot more variety out of melodics, effects, rhythms, the whole spectrum... and they are noticeably more flexible and style independent. liveacts are the platform where new ideas are the quickest to evolve.

oh and yeah,.. it's got to be heavy. no debate.
i go out to party with a "bring it on" :rambo: grin on my face, and expect nothing less. music's gotta keep givin'!

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