Sven Wittekind - Serious Bitch EP - Tool Terror Records #1

i don't think you need to post any specific examples...just go to a store with a recent techno new releases section and pick 10 records at random. most will be loopy and derivative.

and this is not style-specific...i think it's more due to the endless parade of sub-genres, which, in my mind, stymies creativity, as well as the curse of recent technology, which makes producing cheaper and easier for people with good ideas, but also makes it cheaper and easier to produce decent-sounding but ultimately soulless crap.

does this mean i think techno should only be made by people with outboard gear? hells no. i just think it means the ability to produce mediocre loop-tracks is more widespread than before.

i think the solution is for people making techno to take more time with their tracks and try to free themselves of genre-boundaries. the "i only make THIS kind of techno, not THAT kind of techno" mentality is boring to me...

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Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

the curse of recent technology, which makes producing cheaper and easier for people with good ideas, but also makes it cheaper and easier to produce decent-sounding but ultimately soulless crap.

does this mean i think techno should only be made by people with outboard gear? hells no. i just think it means the ability to produce mediocre loop-tracks is more widespread than before.

i think the solution is for people making techno to take more time with their tracks and try to free themselves of genre-boundaries. the "i only make THIS kind of techno, not THAT kind of techno" mentality is boring to me...

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Yeeehawww :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
I love you.

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

Like a washing machine screwing itself

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Washing machines need love too man.... :crackup:

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Originally Posted by tocsin

It gets old hearing this crap especially since you're own of the people who has brought up this "no negativity" stance before. Making unfounded statements to back up an opinion, in the end, is just trash talking. I've got more respect for someone who is just willing to admit they think something sucks at that point.

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Most people who forward a no negativity stance just forward it, when the negativity is directed against their taste. :roll: And the statements made here are definitely unfounded, because people ARE trying to justify their taste with pseudo-reasons. Once and for all: You don't have to justify your taste! You need not try to "convert" people to not liking a style or a record, because the effort alone is futile. People like what they enjoy and I tell ya, I enjoy even a lesser Wittekind more than 99% of all 'credible' (aka intelligent) techno records. Nothing's gonna change that, especially no made-up bullsh!t about Wittekind ripping loops.

I know for a FACT that Wittekind has never ripped a loop off another record. 99% of the loops he uses are not even from Sample CDs, rather than his own. Sven builds his stuff from scratch. So anyone who wants to keep spreading shit about him, go on, maybe this topic will reach 20 pages, but you ain't foolin no one.

Err, if you read the posts you`ll see that none of this is directed at Sven at all, it`s gone way off topic.
So calm down.

LOL!!! That Topic made my Day!!! :lol:

It´s so funny what some ppl think about me, and everyone know the Way i produce... my whole Studio Park is Fruity Loops :lol: muhahahaha

But i can listen to critic, when its true... tghe most of the comments i read here are shit, sorry ...but its true!

When u dont like the Record, dont Buy it, i dont have a prob with it!
But dont try to tell ppl outside what Kind of Techno is good for them etc.
Toolterror is normally an Looptechno Label...thats why it called toolterror, also i dont know why u have something against it, because Glenn Wilson Track (just to have an example) are also 5 minutes the same loop!!!! And he uses loops more then 1 Time etc. but everyone says...oh what a ****in new Track.

when u not like German Sound, dont listen to it.

The Only Guy who knows something about me here is AMOK, he speaks the truth. Thx my Friend :clap:

but damn it...maybe u like the next Record more...now keep da Peace, i am out :dontevengothere:

[quote="Sven Wittekind"]


When u dont like the Record, dont Buy it, i dont have a prob with it!
But dont try to tell ppl outside what Kind of Techno is good for them etc.
Toolterror is normally an Looptechno Label...thats why it called toolterror, also i dont know why u have something against it, because Glenn Wilson Track (just to have an example) are also 5 minutes the same loop!!!! And he uses loops more then 1 Time etc. but everyone says...oh what a **** new Track.
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Yeah, that`s fair enough, although a lot of the comments here went beyond you, and into broader techno terrortory.
I suppose without debate life becomes boring though.

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

Yeah, that`s fair enough, although a lot of the comments here went beyond you, and into broader techno terrortory.
I suppose without debate life becomes boring though.

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i was talking about techno in general, not sven and also not schranz.

i also think a lot of loop-based techno has been great over the years. i bet anyone on here who tries to say otherwise is being hypocritical.

but i think, and i'm assuming dirty_bass agrees with me, based on his arguments...that generally speaking, there is sickness in techno and part of it is attributable to the large number of throwaway loop tracks that flood the stores and online retailers week in, week out...

yep, that`s it.
Too many kids with the technology, wacking together some loops from "techno essentials 2" in fruity, and then bunging out 500 copies within a rew months of leeching the software.

yep, i know that...and its sad.

but we do this stuff since 5 years...so dont put me (us) on the same level like a guy who stole Fruity Loops a week ago and take some Loops from a Sample CD!

I dont use any stolen Loops...!

without wising to sound condescending u europeans really take things to heart.... no one even said u used stolen loops or loop cd's primarly, the debate was that this is an extremely loopy record, which a few of us deemed to be pretty below average... which it is im sorry dude i dont know how u cant see it yourself, especially when compared, by myself yet again before u think this is some kind of witch hunt, to ur Headnut ep which still now undoubtedly rocks it... that was all, so i think u both, especially Amok, need to calm down and just accept that this board has members whose tastes reach beyond yet another 145 bpm tool record

and really, spreading shit about you? come on as if, this is one internet message board whose core user base is on average about 50 people, the techno forums id narrow it down to about 30 people who regulary post on here...

seriously tho there's no smoke without fire, and if people who a year ago were raving about u are no saying the opposite, doesnt that tell u something? a bit of overkill maybe... i read that Amok had over 20 records out in his first year, which i find alarming never mind surprising... but that seems to be the nature of release with schranz/harder techno, a higher release ratio compared to other genres/sub-genres i guess but still....

i think this topic has been a very healthy one if people can actually see the reasons behind any negativity thats been deemed to be posted on here.... i personally enjoy these kind of debates because without them people wud just plod along mumbling to themselves and getting grumpy :)

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Originally Posted by eyes without a face

i think this topic has been a very healthy one if people can actually see the reasons behind any negativity thats been deemed to be posted on here.... i personally enjoy these kind of debates because without them people wud just plod along mumbling to themselves and getting grumpy :)

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yup seconded, you really are taking the words out of my mouth at minute "strange floating in mid air faceless eyes" and sven, please dont be so offened man, it was just an opinion on this one tune sounding like a few of your others at the minute, no big deal, no one said you were nicking loops and your named began with B ;) your production output over the years has generally rocked :clap: all critisism is constructive, maybe on the german forums people dont speak there minds but here we do and this surely is a good thing?

maybe on the german forums people dont speak there minds but here we do and this surely is a good thing?


WORDDDDD

i cant believe it, FUSION speaking sense ;)

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Originally Posted by FUSION

yup seconded, you really are taking the words out of my mouth at minute "strange floating in mid air faceless eyes" and sven, please dont be so offened man, it was just an opinion on this one tune sounding like a few of your others at the minute, no big deal, no one said you were nicking loops and your named began with B ;) your production output over the years has generally rocked :clap: all critisism is constructive, maybe on the german forums people dont speak there minds but here we do and this surely is a good thing?

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first of all, thx for the 5-6 positive words u gave to my work.
Like i said, i dont have a problem with constructive critic, i really like it to see what happens outside....otherwise i would surf arround on some Forums ;) When this Record didnt rock u, its no prob for me, ok i am a bit dissapointed , but ok...its just one Track from over 50 i did the last 4-5 Years.

And i was dissapointed to read here nonsense critics from ppl i liked earlier times... but ok. thats the way it is :crackup:

maybe check out the inflicted number one..which i did with quick and smart, that is a new sound i produce at the moment ;) Also inflicted number 2 will be totally different to this Record here. maaybe u´ll like it :)

And i was dissapointed to read here nonsense critics from ppl

hmmm... i must admit i didnt see any nonsense in the thread, only valid opinions, from both sides of the counter i must add, but still, just opinions....

Its only one Person.
...but it makes no sense to talk about it!

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I think all the Schranz bashing has to stop, it's getting a bit much. Endless pages of people saying the same thing doesn't really get us anywhere.

I still like Schranz I have to say, but mainly from the better producers in the scene like Amok, Wittekind, OBI, Arkus P and perhaps one or two others. However there's been a lot of samey records the last while, this 12" for instance is no-where near your best Sven, surely you can appreciate this?

Anyway, as far as it goes, a bunch of *good* schranz records is still great at the right time of a set, I just wish you guys would add new dimensions to your sound and perhaps forget about what the kids want for a few minutes?! Maybe I'm wrong in saying that, but you guys are getting a bit older now, I'm sure you've got more to offer sometimes than the normal schranz loop? It's certainly healthy to diverse a bit, I don't think anyone here would disagree with that...

well yeah to be honest i dont like seeing slaggin either, but whilst people post up new threads that are schranz based, and again no offence but especially low quality schranz, then ur gonna get both sides of the coin reply wise, and people cant expect not to get this to be honest.... we all live in different area's, have obvious, different tastes, and afterall are only human ;)

maybe those who do schranz should, as uve just rightly said, try and raise the bar a little? its been a few years of doing this stuff maybe bring something a bit more personal and exciting to the mixes?

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Originally Posted by DJAmok

There's been a lot of shit coming out lately on the german schranz market. Too many kids pressing stuff that guys like Wittekind, Kaoz or myself rejected when we got it as a demo.

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this is what Amok said.

let me paraphrase him to reiterate the point that many people here were trying to argue. and just so there is no confusion, this is obviously not slagging any individual...it's a general comment on the state of techno, and something inspired by the discussion on this thread:

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There's been a lot of shit coming out lately on the techno market. Too many kids pressing stuff that should have been rejected when received as a demo.

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that's what i'm saying, and i think that's what others are saying as well. nothing personal at all!

WOT THE F**K ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????


IF U DONT LIKE IT, FINE..

but eyes & dirty... be aware there are many ppl who dont like wishy washy detroit melodic laden ballix ;)



jesus you ppl.... what a bunch of f**kin women..

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Originally Posted by perpetual

but eyes & dirty... be aware there are many ppl who dont like wishy washy detroit melodic laden ballix ;)

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Bit of an uneducated comment.
I don`t like wishy washy detroit melodic laden ballix either.
It`s yesterdays music.

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

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Originally Posted by perpetual

but eyes & dirty... be aware there are many ppl who dont like wishy washy detroit melodic laden ballix ;)

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Bit of an uneducated comment.
I don`t like wishy washy detroit melodic laden ballix either.
It`s yesterdays music.

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sorry dirty...this is where we part ways...can't make proper future music without a proper appreciation for what made techno great in the past...and that goes for early chicago, mid-to-late 90s sweden, etc. in addition to detroit.

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but eyes & dirty... be aware there are many ppl who dont like wishy washy detroit melodic laden ballix ;)

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Bit of an uneducated comment.
I don`t like wishy washy detroit melodic laden ballix either.
It`s yesterdays music.

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sorry dirty...this is where we part ways...can't make proper future music without a proper appreciation for what made techno great in the past...and that goes for early chicago, mid-to-late 90s sweden, etc. in addition to detroit.

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hehe, poop. You can make future music without ever even hearing detroit techno. There are other things of influence. For me anyway.
I never got into techno for, or from detroit.
In my personal books, it`s irrelevant to me historically. As may be the music that I look to as my history for making future music.

Joey who?

*Si wishes he hadn't asked for audio clips* :lol:

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Originally Posted by Sven Wittekind

LOL!!! That Topic made my Day!!! :lol:

It´s so funny what some ppl think about me, and everyone know the Way i produce... my whole Studio Park is Fruity Loops :lol: muhahahaha

But i can listen to critic, when its true... tghe most of the comments i read here are shit, sorry ...but its true!

When u dont like the Record, dont Buy it, i dont have a prob with it!
But dont try to tell ppl outside what Kind of Techno is good for them etc.
Toolterror is normally an Looptechno Label...thats why it called toolterror, also i dont know why u have something against it, because Glenn Wilson Track (just to have an example) are also 5 minutes the same loop!!!! And he uses loops more then 1 Time etc. but everyone says...oh what a **** new Track.

when u not like German Sound, dont listen to it.

The Only Guy who knows something about me here is AMOK, he speaks the truth. Thx my Friend :clap:

but damn it...maybe u like the next Record more...now keep da Peace, i am out :dontevengothere:

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Don't put yourself in the same category as Glenn bro.
Defend yourself and stand by your own music, but you and your genre of beatsmithing are not on the same echelon as Glenn. Use your own music or artist friends to back up your argument.

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Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

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LOL!!! That Topic made my Day!!! :lol:

It´s so funny what some ppl think about me, and everyone know the Way i produce... my whole Studio Park is Fruity Loops :lol: muhahahaha

But i can listen to critic, when its true... tghe most of the comments i read here are shit, sorry ...but its true!

When u dont like the Record, dont Buy it, i dont have a prob with it!
But dont try to tell ppl outside what Kind of Techno is good for them etc.
Toolterror is normally an Looptechno Label...thats why it called toolterror, also i dont know why u have something against it, because Glenn Wilson Track (just to have an example) are also 5 minutes the same loop!!!! And he uses loops more then 1 Time etc. but everyone says...oh what a **** new Track.

when u not like German Sound, dont listen to it.

The Only Guy who knows something about me here is AMOK, he speaks the truth. Thx my Friend :clap:

but damn it...maybe u like the next Record more...now keep da Peace, i am out :dontevengothere:

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Don't put yourself in the same category as Glenn bro.
Defend yourself and stand by your own music, but you and your genre of beatsmithing are not on the same echelon as Glenn. Use your own music or artist friends to back up your argument.

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I didn`t know there was an echelon in techno.
It`s subjective isn`t it.
Some people may love what glen does, others may think it`s poo.
That`s humanity that is.
Idolatry is wrong.

DB, you know what i'm gettin at...

jus cos one person dont dig a sound, doesnt mean everyone is gonna knock it...



say what u like bout that Wittekind track. it rockas.. and its got something almost everyone on this foprum doesnt..



A SENSE OF HUMOUR

I wasn`t even talking about the wittekind track really.

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

I wasn`t even talking about the wittekind track really.

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i thought thats what the thread was about..

never mind. i'll give it up..

On the last two pages there have been some statements which have a point.

"If people were raving about it last year and this year they don't, then something is going wrong." - I totally agree. I do ask myself whether or not people just are again flocking like sheep to follow the current trend to bash hardtechno though. But that I cannot judge.

"Maybe those who do hardtechno should raise the bar a little" - Again, I agree and I've been trying my best to do so lately. So when my new records come out, please be the judge.


Peace out

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Originally Posted by DJAmok

"Maybe those who do hardtechno should raise the bar a little"

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I think all of us, in all types of techno, should be constantly raising the bar, and seeking to push ourselves, sometimes even into less safe territory, not just hard techno, all techno needs to be doing this.
The only reason hardtechno gets a hard time, is becasue it became so popular that all the producing for 5 minutes kids with fruity, rather than taking label rejections and learning from them to improve. Just punted out their own stuff on cheap labels.
Of course there is good hard tech out there, and of course their is dire experimental or dark or whatever.
The fact that you have stated you are trying to raise the bar yourself, means you have the right attitude, which will separate you from the clones and the copycats in the long run of things.

i think pete was referring to me with the wishy washy detroit thing haha, yeah sure, thats cool, i know people wont enjoy my stuff, but i know some people do, and others will.... but what i wont do is throw my toys out the pram when people pull me up for not enjoying a release... and i could back myself up anyway because i dont just do detroit-esque tracks, i have numerous releases lined up ranging from pretty much straight up house to dark techno, some tribal stuff and also a few electro bits getting sorted out so yeah a good variety no doubt...

as i said if someone wants an opinion then they'l get one, and it wont b sugar coated, if i dont like it, then i dont like it.... it doesnt affect my views on the producer, whoever it maybe, if ive enjoyed and own previous releases, it merely saddens me a little about the current quality of their output

but on the plus side some of those producers are realising things are not quite as they should/could be and are putting in more effort or at least have plans to do so, which is all good

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LOL!!! That Topic made my Day!!! :lol:

It´s so funny what some ppl think about me, and everyone know the Way i produce... my whole Studio Park is Fruity Loops :lol: muhahahaha

But i can listen to critic, when its true... tghe most of the comments i read here are shit, sorry ...but its true!

When u dont like the Record, dont Buy it, i dont have a prob with it!
But dont try to tell ppl outside what Kind of Techno is good for them etc.
Toolterror is normally an Looptechno Label...thats why it called toolterror, also i dont know why u have something against it, because Glenn Wilson Track (just to have an example) are also 5 minutes the same loop!!!! And he uses loops more then 1 Time etc. but everyone says...oh what a **** new Track.

when u not like German Sound, dont listen to it.

The Only Guy who knows something about me here is AMOK, he speaks the truth. Thx my Friend :clap:

but damn it...maybe u like the next Record more...now keep da Peace, i am out :dontevengothere:

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Don't put yourself in the same category as Glenn bro.
Defend yourself and stand by your own music, but you and your genre of beatsmithing are not on the same echelon as Glenn. Use your own music or artist friends to back up your argument.

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I didn`t know there was an echelon in techno.
It`s subjective isn`t it.
Some people may love what glen does, others may think it`s poo.
That`s humanity that is.
Idolatry is wrong.

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none at all to be honest im talking producer skill status

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Originally Posted by Sven Wittekind

LOL!!! That Topic made my Day!!! :lol:

It´s so funny what some ppl think about me, and everyone know the Way i produce... my whole Studio Park is Fruity Loops :lol: muhahahaha

But i can listen to critic, when its true... tghe most of the comments i read here are shit, sorry ...but its true!

When u dont like the Record, dont Buy it, i dont have a prob with it!
But dont try to tell ppl outside what Kind of Techno is good for them etc.
Toolterror is normally an Looptechno Label...thats why it called toolterror, also i dont know why u have something against it, because Glenn Wilson Track (just to have an example) are also 5 minutes the same loop!!!! And he uses loops more then 1 Time etc. but everyone says...oh what a **** new Track.

when u not like German Sound, dont listen to it.

The Only Guy who knows something about me here is AMOK, he speaks the truth. Thx my Friend :clap:

but damn it...maybe u like the next Record more...now keep da Peace, i am out :dontevengothere:

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Don't put yourself in the same category as Glenn bro.
Defend yourself and stand by your own music, but you and your genre of beatsmithing are not on the same echelon as Glenn. Use your own music or artist friends to back up your argument.

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i think you need a cape defender lugo. and some theme music.

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Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

none at all to be honest im talking producer skill status

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that's still subjective

****ing blinder :clap: wooooooooooooooooooooooo! nice grinding stuff reminds me of some good old days , eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee wen i was a lad :love:

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LOL!!! That Topic made my Day!!! :lol:

It´s so funny what some ppl think about me, and everyone know the Way i produce... my whole Studio Park is Fruity Loops :lol: muhahahaha

But i can listen to critic, when its true... tghe most of the comments i read here are shit, sorry ...but its true!

When u dont like the Record, dont Buy it, i dont have a prob with it!
But dont try to tell ppl outside what Kind of Techno is good for them etc.
Toolterror is normally an Looptechno Label...thats why it called toolterror, also i dont know why u have something against it, because Glenn Wilson Track (just to have an example) are also 5 minutes the same loop!!!! And he uses loops more then 1 Time etc. but everyone says...oh what a **** new Track.

when u not like German Sound, dont listen to it.

The Only Guy who knows something about me here is AMOK, he speaks the truth. Thx my Friend :clap:

but damn it...maybe u like the next Record more...now keep da Peace, i am out :dontevengothere:

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Don't put yourself in the same category as Glenn bro.
Defend yourself and stand by your own music, but you and your genre of beatsmithing are not on the same echelon as Glenn. Use your own music or artist friends to back up your argument.

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i think you need a cape defender lugo. and some theme music.

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I think you need a bitch slap and a tutu, but I'm not saying nothing.

this thread is disgusting. just cause i had to sort my studio pc, i didnt get to be a part of this.

sven's doing his thing and doing it well. let him the f alone if you dont like it.. well

f you. i'm sick of this bullshit attitude in recent techno towards anyone who sticks with a certain 'style' of techno or someone who is 'schranz' or who is 'this ' or that'. god these guys are trying to keep techno going. ok, fair play if you want to start getting anal about what 'is' techno and what 'isnt'. But please keep it to a different thread. We don't want that f'ed up bullshit on this thread. This is not what BOA is about.

Sort yourselves out please PPL.

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SVEN ROCKS :)