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I was inspired by Monte Cazzazza. SPK. TG. Ministry. Franz Treichler. Boyd Rice. Z`ev. A lot of early breakdance/hiphop/electro. Most of the early Cleopatra stuff. William Burroughs and Bryon Gysin
Arvo Part, Underworld, John Roome, Aphex, Robin Proper Shephard, Dan Zamani, the list is endless, I`m constantly inspired by music, always have and always will be, but not from any particular source.
...and bob anal, of course...
obviously
lets not forget bob flanagan too, he was an all american hero
since you're avoiding it like the plague i'll ask another way. if you're playing a techno set in a club/squat who's records are in your box ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
I don`t mix very much any more.
But I guess, anything I like.
I don`t mix one sub sub sub genre.
I tend to play all sorts.
Just looking next to me here at a stack of records, there is Stoll, Seb Marx, Gecko, Mark Brom, Innigo Kennedy, Smoothraxx, Samuel Onervas, Ade Fenton, Jark Prongo, Surgeon, SLS, Zank, PWOG, Kode IV, Varela, Andreas Kauffelt, Luciano and Quenum, and I`ll stop now.
I play music I like and don`t devote myself to one artist.
Don`t see how relevant this is though.
devotion to one artist is bad. i certainly ain't devoted to mills if that's what you're getting at. not bought one of his records in about 2 years and last time i saw him spin i left half way through.
but with that list you've just proved exactly what i knew all along. ;)
Which is what, that they are the records that are on the floor to the left of me?
If you think you can make a judgment based on that then well done, you must be psychic.
jark prongo is cool.
haha sorry but thats a good comeback :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
yeah hilarious comeback.
ok so you love inigo kennedy, sls, steve stoll and ade fenton yet you think the music of the guy who was a major influence on them is boring bleepy twoddle. :roll:
i mean ffs sam session made his name by copying the purpose maker back cat. inigo has stated in countless interviews over the years how mills was such an influence in his sound and is proud that millsy plays his records. steve stoll's always been a part of that hood, mills, beltram thing. you also say you have loads of surgeon tracks. well **** me, most of surgeon's early work could've been mistaken for mills and often was in the clubs...
sunil called you daft, well to say you like and play out the music of those above yet have never liked one single mills track is beyond daft.
no i'm not a mills devotee in anyway and have never bothered with these "is mills any good" type debates before. this one was different as it was all aobut one person purposely attempting to be controversial and trying to prove that "i'm different......man"
i've not bought a mills track in about 3 years and last time i went to see him spin i ended up in the backroom cos he was having one of those off nights he seems to be having more and more of these days.
can't believe i just fell for that but **** it, it gave me something to do last night while babysitting the chicken pox clan.
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I`m not trying to prove anything man.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkside
And I`m not trying to be controversial, I`m just saying how it is, as I always do, and you jumping around making accusations like some kid in a schoolyard.
The fact is I don`t like mills.
Can`t you get it.
I don`t care who influenced who, cos if you go down that sad path you can keep tracing back and tracing back till you reach the first caveman who hit a hollow log.
What you don`t understand is that I don`t like mills tracks. I don`t like any of the early surgeon stuff that sounds like mills tracks.
As for stoll, I don`t like much of his stuff, he is totally, 1 blinding track for every 10 boring twoddly ones.
Your making assumptions based on a little pile of records that were on the floor next to my chair.
How daft is that?
so once more for the deaf.
I
Don`t
Like
Mills
Music
He`s not crap, nor have I called him crap, I haven`t said his music is crap, or the people who like his music, or even his bloody axis beach shoes.
Yes he was an early techno person, and ws there at the beginning, and I acknowledge his importance to many people in techno, but in turn he was influenced as well, so what, big deal. Every time I look at my watch do I have to acccept and acknowldge the inventor of the quartz crystal timing unit
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yes you are, just like most posts you make are trying to be controversial.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
no, you just like music that sounds like his....Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
that's it for me with this one.
banging my head against a wall.
I don`t try to be anything.
If you think I am trying to be controversial, then fantastic, a false opinion, great, give yourself a biscuit.
I guess I`ve smashed you world by not liking any mills tracks.
And none of the stuff I like sounds like mills.
HOW DO YOU KNOW
have you been secretly sneaking into my studio and listening to my record collection.
No
You make this assumption based on some names on some records, and you don`t even know the track names.
How misinformed is this?
I have plenty of mills stuff, and I just don`t like it, or any of the stuff that sounds like it, so just understand it.
It`s very simple.
Lemme just check
Slice of life ep - steve stoll - nothing like mills
Jark Prongo - radio Show - Nothing like Mills
Seb Marx GW002 - Nothing Like Mills
Marco Lenzi - Who Cares 001 - Nothing Like Mills
Smoothraxx - Followed by the past - nothing like mills
drumbeaters - white night remixes - nothin glike mills
animal workshop remixes - nothin glike mills
Daze maxim - grown on a magnet - nothing like mills
Well chief, you really got me there.
All my records sound like mills.
I`m off to kill myself.
quite a selective list there considering your earlier post mentioned..
i'd love to know which axis records it is you own that you hate so much too. surely if you bought them...Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
ffs sake! i respect dirty_bass opinion a 100 %. if he doesn't like a mills track (mmh, i know where you are comng from), then that's it. why waffle around for hours???????
this is so stupid. just because someone says he has been influenced by mills, and i like this artist's stuff doesn't mean i have to like mills' tracks, do i? of course i could say i have been influenced by beyer, whoever, but do people listening to tracks of mine have to like beyer because of that????
and: influenced means influenced, not copied 1:1 or anything, i might have even been influenced by elvis, who knows... and... does it really matter??? would it matter if i was big in techno (whatever that is?)??
sorry, i'm drunk but this endless rambling here is really getting on my nerves at times.
mills def. has done a lot for the scene, i reckon, and it's a fact, but there's no denying he has gotten away with stuff (be it djing or producing) for which "newborn" producers would get torn to pieces and i am not only referring to older material.
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Originally Posted by loopdon
shall we get back to beyer the, after all??? ;) ;) ;)
yeah, time to move on!
back to the non-confrontational subject of adam beyer ;)
don't get me started on that dumb ass "beyer popularising techno" comment again, forgot about that. that's what originally made me post :lol:
just had a bollocking from the missus for playing games, drinking too much and waffling all day on here so i better make her dinner. :oops:
i think whether you like him or not, adam beyer was a huge influence on what techno is today. sort of like what you were saying about jeff mills...though in a very different (and probably less fundamental) way...
There was an investigation going on. Sometimes these things take a bit of time ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by loopdon
A funny twist or two in this, and I'm still not convinced either. I thought Stoll was "the man" as far as you were concerned Dirty, now you don't like much of his stuff. Earlier in this thread you weren't a fan of Beyer, but suddenly you could name a number of records you liked by him. By this rational there are records of Mills' that you like. I don't believe that there aren't *any* out there, sorry.
I personaly like Beyer and love Drumcode he has influenced me quite alot and I think him and the rest of the Swedish boys have done there part for techno.
I will allways listen to his new stuff but rarley buy it.I like his dark breakey stuff and the loopy stuff but not too much of a fan of his latest releases to be honest.
All in all I think the Swedish techno sound is good club techno and if im playing out there is allways at least one of his records in my bag infact ive hammerd the shit out Kosheen on the Beyer and Hennrik B double on Drumcode.
So nothing but respect for the man from me.
I really like some of the Madeye stuff, not 100% original, but what is these days? It works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindful
The Truesoul stuff I'm undecided on, the vocals by Robert Manos ruined (in my opinion) what was a strong split 12" from ADJD and Beyer on the new one. I like the fact that the Swedes are trying new things; the vocals on some of their tracks, while working sometimes, come off sounding bad at other times.
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Originally Posted by Sunil
i like most of what i've heard on truesoul. not for everyone, but i think it's important that poeple try to explore the soulful side of techno in a way that isn't just an homage to detroit...nothing wrong with detroit-style tracks, of course, it's just nice for me to hear more quality melodic techno that is different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
Same here!Quote:
Originally Posted by conflict
Man you people are so black and white.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
I have a lot of stoll records.
Most of them were free.
Out of about the 12 or 13 I won.
I like about 4
These 4 are class records.
The rest are pretty poor.
As I said when he is good, he is great, when he sucks, he really sucks.
Or do you people latch onto one artist and just love everything they do regardless of personal taste?
As for beyer. I`m not a fan. But I have a few records with him on.
Do I have to be a fan to own his records?
Or do you have to be a fan and follower of everything you own?
hahaha, I MUST LIKE MILLS
hahahahahaha
sorry, I don`t like anything.
I got mills tracks, and a few albums, but I didn`t pay for them, and I don`t ever listen to them.
Man, you guys rather pathetic attempt at character assassination is actually curing my caffeine withdrawl now. Nice one.
Keep trying.
Next thing you`ll try and convince me that I like Robbie Williams.
the ****. whatever. *spit*Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
techno today.. lol if i influences what techno is today i'd call it a day and book it to india.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
If I were a neutral I'd say you've dug a bit of your own hole in this thread, but I'm not, so...Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
There's no character assasination going on, just a pretty open and frank conversation.
This goes back to you saying Mills is totally irrelevant to you in techno. However you still own records by him. That definitely adds up, doesn't it? Oh, but you won these in a raffle or got them as promos? Ok, I see :roll:
Re: Stoll, he pretty much falls into the Mills mould in that he can or has the capacity to churn it out and his bad tracks will sound weak in comparision to the good ones. Are you trying to tell me that everything Boyd Rice did was great? No, but you still rate him. Likewise I don't bite on everything Stoll does, but I still rate him for the good stuff, and consider myself a fan. That's all we're talking about here. I don't add up the amount of records I've heard by one producer and subtract the ones I didn't like, therefore coming to a negative opinion or judgement on them. You've even started threads about Stoll before raving about him, so stop changing your tune all of a sudden.
If someone's done something worthwhile, be it only a couple of records, then I'd consider them relevant, I wouldn’t say the opposite. I don’t like most of Josh Wink’s output but I still rate him for one or two tracks, so to me I certainly don’t dislike him or consider him irrelevant.
I dunno, the bigger they are the harder they fall. In your case it’s often “The bigger they are, the less respect you pay them”, and that’s pretty shit I have to say.
Well look, I¬m majorly cranky from all the headaches I`m getting having cut out the caffeine.
But I do consider mills irrelevant to me.
Yes, I got a load of promo`s , plus I got gieven a load of techno when my mate got rid of his records.
I don`t like his stuff, and influence wise, he`s not affecting me.
So that`s it.
Not everyone who likes techno likes mills.
Not everyone who likes drum and bass likes roni size.
This is the way of the world.
unlike your answers to straight forward questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
deary me, stop being paranoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
so you blagged some free records, well done. do they include seawolf, mecca, drama ep, other day ep, purpose maker 1-5, the waveform albums? have you heard those records?
if you have and still don't like him then fair enough. i'll leave you to your ade fenton, samuel session and caffeine addiction :lol:
mate have you ever had caffeine withdrawl?
I was so tired all week at work I was on 8 or 9 cups of filtered a day
I cut it out this weekend and I have been having psychotic headaches.
I nearly killed a couple of kids behind me today in the cinema during Sith, for talking.
Yes, I have seawolf and drama ep
waveform albums, yikes, don`t get me started on them.
It`s a matter of taste. There`s plenty of stuff I like I`m sure you`ll hate, but I won`t go nuts over it.
Yes, I have a fenton track I like, and also one samuel sessions record.
But you`ll make loads of assumptions and assum I probably buy all their stuff.
I pledge no allegiance to any artist or label.
Whenever I go record shopping, I just ask for all the new stuff, and I go through it all methodically, and buy the stuff I like.
Regardless of name, or whether they are trendy or in favour or whatever
Can we just end this.
I don`t like any mills, and you don`t believe me.
I`m happy with that.
imo weather you rate him or not (me not being a fan of his work) he has took techno (in whatever shape or form) to a wider audiance,which can only be good for the music,and the scene.
Ahhh but what about beyer.
Obviously opinion here thinks he made contribution to techno at all.
techno today.. lol if i influences what techno is today i'd call it a day and book it to india.[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by Adverse
you seem think that i think techno today is great, and this is all due to adam beyer.
not so.
saying he was a huge influence on what techno today is a statement i made devoid of value judgements. as i've said a number of times here, the records by adam beyer that i like are not necessarily the ones that i think have influenced techno.
personally, i think most techno is crap right now, has been for years, and that's something i have said consistantly in my posts on BOA.
that said, i'm not blaming adam beyer himself for this either, and i do like some of his records a lot...that has nothing to do with why this thread is here.
i happen to think that one aspect of his stuff has been picked up on and copied ad nauseum...and i'm curious why that is.
only a few people on the 9 pages here have given intelligent replies to that question
Drum based techno. More emphasis on the rhythm and grittiness, as opposed to melody and massive hooklines initially, and as that style became more popular, 'bigger' tunes began to appear.. some for the newer converts to techno to latch onto, while still keeping the original fans happy, that's how Beyer elevated above everyone else. While the Drumcode sound was often slated for replaying itself a lot, Beyer did step out of the mould on occasion, on the likes of Svek, Rotation or wherever, next thing you've got Mr.Sliff re-interperting E-Dancer, DC 20.5, "Re-manipulated" remix and the whole Beyer/Drumcode thing has become legendary.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
I think also that the sharpness and loudness of Beyer's productions made them attractive for people to mix, and on a 4 track ep for instance, all of the tracks would be instantly mixable. No fade ins, few breaks, and a pretty incessant energy all the way through. When you bought a Beyer or Drumcode style record you knew what to expect, but the difference was he was actually going somewhere with it and managed to make it last for a lot of years. Now you often get a record that in theory is made in the same way, but by a producer who is not truly inspired and is merely putting out something, just to put something out. I have most of the Drumcode releases, and quite a lot of them stand out in their own way.
If I can remember back, the thing that grabbed me most about Beyer's tracks were quite literally, the impact of the kick... as well as the rhythm and swing he applied to it. It was unique.
those records on svek and rotation are, IMO, fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
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Originally Posted by Sunil
...and i agree...it's the size of the drums...the loudness, the bombast. and it just seems to get more and more so all the time. i like big-sounding kick drums fine...only i don't like the fact that, as you say, this just ends up replacing melody and atmospherics in a lot of today's hard techno.
Im starting to think your one of the people who talk sense on here mr Sunil :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
SacrilegeQuote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
quit hanging off my johnson broQuote:
Originally Posted by Adverse
i'll take these off your hands mate if you dislike them so much ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
thats who i was talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
10 PAGES ON BEYER'S "INFLUENCE"?! DUDE ONLY CAME OUT IN WHAT, 95, 96? I DONT EVEN KNOW, BUT THE FACT IS THAT IF WE ARE BEING INFLUENCED BY SOMETHING AS GENERIC AS BEYER RECORDS, THE SCOPE OF VISION IS NOT VERY BROAD. I TRY NJOT TO LISTEN TO TECHNO AT ALL, TAKE INFLUENCES FROM ETHNIC MUSIC, JAZZ, ROCK, FUNK, BUT F U C K "EMULATING" TECHNO!!!!
man, i respect you as a producer, but i really don't think you get what is meant by influence here. who is talking about emulating adam beyer? if you read the posts, especially mine, carefully, you'll see that i (and others) clearly state that emulating adam beyer's drumcode records has often produced mediocre, throwaway drumtracks.Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
what my question was is why have adam beyer's records been so frequently ripped off, copied, emulated, whatever? you say "f*ck emulating techno" and take influences from other places. fine. i agree with you, though maybe in less strident terms. i'm more likely to get psyched to make tracks after listening to the bar-kays, steve reich or fela kuti than drumcode or purpose maker. but that does not negate the fact that mainstream techno changed after adam beyer (and some contemporaries).
i like a lot of his records. not necessarily the ones on drumcode though. but that's just my personal taste and not the point here. whether you like him or not is really not the point at all.
do you take influences or just sample them? ;) ...
gunsack that is!
LOL! Steve, come on now, its not that serious, bro!! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass