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Originally Posted by conflict
finally a little back up. man i may have been harsh but c'mon, business ethics are the same all over the world. why do you think promos have feedback sheets guys? when i get a promo that aint my style i will usually politely decline the record or give it to a friend who will appreciate it and play it out. i HAVE sold promos in the past when i worked in a record shop, but i always felt bad about it. i know this is cliche' but this industry is F ucked. what makes ppl think that just because this is the music biz, folks don't have to follow standard biz practices?
all you folks talking bout i have my head up my ass because everybody sells promos blah blah blah, the tony@integrale/jel@prime mentality has gotten to you.
what the f uck is wrong with ppl nowadays? where have all the real players gone? ppl are such little wimps when it comes to doing whats right.
we have to draw lines somewhere. thinks dont change on their own. why do you think another techno distributor or shop closes every week? because nobody has figured out yet that the world is small enough now to get bit in the ass by your own shortsightedness very, very easily. i am not saying this is the case with tuneinn, but it is all connected.
in my humble experience i have learned time and again: in any kind of work, do good business, stay honest and above board and work hard and the good lord (or whatever you call it) usually looks out for ya.
anyway i am glad to see that there are folks on both sides of the fence. debate is healthy. but remember you all, all that juvenile name calling and stuff really kinda hinders your point from coming accross. like this guy calling me "pathetic" because we don't agree? what a joke. the other cat saying i have my head up my "crevase" or whatever just because he is one of tune inn's homies? weak bro! maybe you guys could try to learn some objectivity and even a sense of responsiblity.
I didn't say you were pathetic... I said that this is the most pathetic thing I have ever read and I stand by that man! You posted something pretty incensitive given the origonal theme of this thread, and its quite clear that rightly or not 99% of record shops sell promos...Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
You even just admitted you did it yourself! Record shops are what stands between your music and the record buying punter so to single out and be GLAD that the F*UCKERS have closed down is a little pathetic imo... ok?
I am the other ''cat'' as you put it, and I wasn't having a go at you cos I was a Tune Inn ''Homie''Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
You have to understand that the promo thing has been like that for years, we have had 5 labels and all of them have had promo's sold through other shops. BUt that's just the way it is. The main point about promo's is getting a reaction from the DJ you send it to. And your right, if that DJ don't like it he shouldn't sell it on without at least a reaction of any kind. We spent ages taking people off and back on the list cos they never got back in touch. That is the area which needs to be addressed.
If a shop gets a promo, it's usually because all the promo's have been sent out, the distributors have a few left so they send them to the shops, the big shops where you will expect bigger sales, so to give a shop like Tune Inn 1 promo and get an extra 20 units out of them, isn't that a good thing?? It's not the records shops work to give them to other people, if they end up with a promo they have been given, then it's there's to do with as they please, possesion is 9/10's of the law remember!!
I may have been a little untowards in my replies, but you did say you were glad we closed, which really got to me!!
So lets turn the attention to the DJ's who don't respond, who don't tell you ''I don't like your stuff, take me off the list''....that's where most unwanted promo's come from. Labels work hard and if you don't get a reaction, then whats the point, the bigger the DJ, the less responce you get!! That sucks!!
My bitchin' is over, just don't personally insult us again!! :rambo:
Sorry to hear about tune inn going down, especially as we considered them friends and have been left with a large unpaid debt as a result of them taking a big consignment of back stock from us mere days before they went under.
:nono:
If you're after quality techno/electro/breaks at a nice price may I suggest WWW.JUST-MUSIC.COM
Good point, i bet there are a few distributors owed a bit of money, its always bad news when you hear a record shop going bust, cause no doubt it effects a fair few distributors & record labels, especially the smaller ones!Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Music
Indeed.
Hard to be sympathetic when it would appear they knew it was coming, yet still willingly took stock from people who were supposed to be friends - knowing almost 100% that they were not going to pay for it.
:evil:
Fair enough people need to do what they need to do in order to try and keep their businesses going these days, but knowingly ****ing over your close associates shouldn't be considered as an option.
:evil:
Unfair.. We sent back everything that we had of the consignment back to you (Minus the primate T-shirts - which I have yet to sort out for you)Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Music
and we didnt know we was going to go bust or we would not have taken them. yes we was feeling a lot pf pressure but so are/was 'ALL' of the record shops. we took the consignemnet stuff believing it would help us get through the summer and 'it' wasnt a week later it was month before it happened.. .. and then we returned them all to you so to say all that is rather unfair.
Unfair also that I would have members of your staff phoning me up screaming down the phone at me, talking to me liek it was all intentional and telling me most of the consignment was'nt there.. YES it was .. check off the stock against the invoice. ALSO accusing me of having a sale and pocketing all the money myself.. ?!?!?! I know I posted about doing a half price sale.. Whcih we was going to have and the money go to the liquidators. but someone bought the whole lot in bulk and the 'funds' went directly to the liquidators..
I bent over backwards to sort out all the stuff to send back to you (took me hours) and then you post something liek this..
Pete
Just as another point ..
Just Music's website is very good for techno and I do recommend you using it.
Pete
dean: you really don't get it huh? just because everybody does it doesn't make it right!!!
JUST MUSIC: they accepted your stock knowing they were going to close? damn! another example of biz practices that folks think they can get away with. also to just: is this jamie?!?!?!?!? do you remember gunjack from the VIP room in womb????? you and vogel and pennington and me with the hash pipe..... anyway i need to talk to the bismire bout some shit so hit m e up ok?
thats some awesome name dropping, i love it :twisted: ;)
you love name dropping?Quote:
Originally Posted by eyes without a face
i think you'll find that any business will carry on trading as normal until they are told theyre not allowed to anymore, they obviously had worries about closing, but like every business, they hoped they would be able to turn it around and be able to trade for a bit longer, then who knows, they might have been here 5 years laterQuote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
yes, its greatQuote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
i remember i went to a party once and mingled with various stars of Hollyoaks including the delightful Steph Dean
i drop her one.Quote:
Originally Posted by eyes without a face
a lad we know pulled her, it was a great moment
I was at a RePro (remember them) meeting once, and Robbie Williams had just left take that, and was drug addled and between careers. He was begging to get in but wasn`t on the list, so he got turned away. We went out and gave him a beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by eyes without a face
He said will you get me in?
We said no.
HEHE
Done alright for himself though.
Name dropping sucks.
I met the queen once....
Don`t you just hate VIP rooms?
met robbie william too, and moby. can i be cool now too :lol:
my posts were tongue in cheek incase you hadnt guessed, i was merely making fun at GJ's name dropping, VIP room indeed haha
no they weren't, you name dropper you :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by eyes without a face
well in my defence, i name dropped a ficitonal character haha, dont think that qualifies really :lol:
You really are selective brian. Completely choosing to ignore pete's comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
*Yawn* let me tell you about the time i sat with billy nasty, jel ford, chris liberator, drank champagne with Ant. Dave the drummer. Had a beer with glen wilson, had a laff with Mike Humphries. Smoked Gear with wilko and mark turner etc etc etc.blah blah blah.
And i believe its Ben Long from Just music?
cant be sure.
Phew robbie williams thats nothing, i flew to jersey and was on a plane with Frank Carsson, now thats hardcore name dropping,
Phew robbie williams thats nothing, i flew to jersey and was on a plane with Frank Carsson, now thats hardcore name dropping,
cant remember going twice though heehhehe
Frank Carson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heroes
If anyone is ever gonna name drop, then that`s the one right there.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
even worse, a make believe name dropper...................nurse, hes lost it again :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by eyes without a face
its the way he tells themQuote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
you guys are freaking retarded. i weas just trying to find the homie from bandulu to keep in touch. grow up.
no sense of humour then :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
What, and forget how to smile?Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
Life is over when you lose touch with your childhood.
retarded? strong, it was only a big of mickey taking, you know, bit o' leg pulling!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA :lol:
This guy really takes the biscuit!!! What a baby!!!!
I think we'll have to send him a dummy over!!!
well i just spent a couple of days with pete gawtry here in brasil
and obviously we got talking about the demise of the shop.
he's totally gutted and has been cleaned out by the liquidators
he's trying to remain in good spirits and it sounds like he's going to get his djing career going alongside running yin yang , but it's an uphill stuggle for him from now on , and this business is getting tougher and tougher almost by the day.
but i must say all this talk about promo selling so far has all been a bit crap.
i know tune inn used to sell our promo's too , but at the end of the day we kind of let it go because we realised that they were just trying to drum up sales and general interest in their shop.
now i know selling promo's isn't strictly correct business but look at the situation......they've gone down... hardly made them millionaires did it?
by the way , everybody else sold promo's too and if you are running a label properly you should have promo costs budgeted for anyway.
at the end of the day pete and chris both struck me as genuine techno lovers who were doing their bit to keep the industry rolling along. they would regularly send me their promo's from yin yang , and some of them were great and stayed in the box for some time.
( of course the others went straight to the record and tape exchange....not)
i'm not condoning selling promo's on but at the same time if you are talking about one or two t.p.s it's a bit pathetic to get so heated up about it.
i mean we would send promo's to dj's who would probably just chuck them in the bin anyway , so in a way selling them on at least ensures that they get to someone who actually values it and will play it , hoppefully generating more sales.
there is a common attitude in the music business where people just think that giving anything for free in anyway is bad business practise .
this is the entertainment industry , it is highly competitive and relies on promotional material to be available top whoever needs it when they need it.
records being played in clubs DO generate sales , i am being asked ALL THE TIME about tracks i have played at gigs around the world and many of them are not my own , i try my best to i.d. tracks for people and i'm sure they go and buy them after that quite happily , essentially taking up my time to put money into other peoples pockets. but i have no problem with that.
so...my message is...
think of the whole scene not just yourself , and have the philosophy that if you help someone else one day they will help you.
obvious isn't it?
r.i.p. tune inn
who provided a service for all techno lovers against all odds.
Heh yea. Thats how I feel. I wonder if those artists who are banging on about 'bad practice' are using warezed software? I personally feel that some approach this game with too of a buisness orientated attitude and for me to take this stance would be somewhat hypocriticalQuote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
*approach this game with too much of a buisness orientated attitude*
True, I`ve had promo`s sold at various shops, I`d already factored promo`s into my budget, and they are product that I give away not expecting any return other than buzz and sales hype. So for them to get sold on to a DJ who then proudly plays his promo to others who haven`t got the proper release, and therefore generating a buzz, is a worthy price to pay for the sake of the 2 quid I lose out on.
Plus it means the shop selling em gets a few more quid to keep em running, and I`d rather loose a few quid to promo`s from one shop, than the whole shop going down, and me not selling any further vinyl at that outlet.
I`ve seen copies of DB001 1st pressing (the ones with proper labels) go on ebay for 60 quid (mainly down to sasha caining it). I didn`t ask the ebay sellers for any of that money, which I think is the same as promo`s getting sold.
It still generated massive buzz, and refllected in the sales of the represses.
Really there are far more important problems within this industry to get seriously agg about.
totally true db
by the way many thanks for the promo of your last release
sorry i didn't put it into the chart , it was only because i wrote the chart from memory here in brasil , and once i get home i'll fill it in properly when i can sit with a deck and listen to the records in full.
Hey no probs matey, cheers for the apex mate, the B side is seriously up my street, and the rushing euphoria of it, is lovely.Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
We are having a total revamp of the website at londontechno so there`ll be regular updates and recommended listening bits and stuff, so we`ll be getting
it up there.
Go on Henry ....
.. im still in the same hotel .. bored .... still having problems ordering anything (must brush up on my brazilian portugese)
pete
got internet in yer room now though eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by pedrod
yeah the life of an international dj eh
thrilling stuff.....
BE AN INTERNATIONAL DJ!
!!!!!!!YES FOLKS YOU TOO COULD HAVE THE WONDERFUL LIFE OF AN INTERNATIONAL ENTERTAINER!!!!!!!
THE PERKS OF THE JOB INCLUDE:
WAITING FOR HOURS ON YOUR OWN IN AIRPORTS WITH NOTHING TO DO.
DESPERATELY TRYING TO ORDER PIZZA AT 3 IN THE MORNING
IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY AFTER TOO MANY LAGERS
MAKING MISTAKES IN FRONT OF 2000 PEOPLE , WHO ARE MORE INTERESTED IN SEX THAN THEY ARE IN MUSIC
AND DEALING WITH PEOPLE TELLING YOU THAT YOU WEREN'T AS GOOD AS THE LAST TIME YOU CAME.
ON THE PLUS SIDE:
YOU GET TO TALK MONEY WITH ARROGANT SELF OBSESSED PROMOTERS WHO BLAME YOU FOR THE CLUB BEING EMPTY
LOSE YOUR HEARING
GET ILL WHILST ABROAD
DIE YOUNG
ETC ETC ETC........
or am i just being bitter now?
hahaha .... yup
there running a cable out of the internet room accross the balcony through the hall and in through my room window (about 50 foot of cable - aint that nice - just so I can sit in my room and babble on this forum)
HMM after that I may .... take up knitting for a living.. get my crochet off to a T
http://www.learntoknit.com/
bitter henry nah ... .. that's for mosaic (or whatever his name is)
P
Tune Inn was my fav. spot to buy tracks... this blows!
It seemed like they were doing really well, a good number of my friends out here in cali were buying from them :?: :?: :?:
Best of luck to them in the future.
Sheeit Henry, you blow up the spot each and every time you come out here! Whatchu talkin bout?Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
Knit one, pearl one, two three four!Quote:
Originally Posted by pedrod
Hang up ya headphones Pete, I feel another direction coming on...
A constant hazard of being the lounge pianist at the Spearmint Rhino...Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
Hehe, very funny stuff Henry !
yeah eyes you ****ing name dropin bitch ;)
hahahhahaha ****ing brilliant, just what are you arguing again then?!Quote:
Originally Posted by deafmosaic
Louk