I AM TRYING TO JUMP ON A BANDWAGON PLEASE HELP !!!!

and it had to be you didn't it dan ??

no definitly avoid fast wagons around bends
and of course wagon chases like in the wild west
nothing more painful than being rolled on by a wagon...i can tell you.
also try to avoid the old " under the horses and under the wagon " trick as it has absolutely no point at all , and basically winds you up at the back of the wagon being dragged along on your back
where your enemies who are following on horseback can pluck you off liike a turkey.

kind of like life really.....and then again not ... :eh:

Let us also not forget. Once safely on said wagon... you really don't want to fall off said wagon. For "Falling off the Wagon" is typically frowned upon in many cultures.

Ohhhh...wagons are such a bumpy ride.

who'd have thought wagons would be so complicated

Mnml Acid Wagno Jazz

Do whatever YOU want to do MUSICALLY Henry!!!

I wouldn't worry about what anyone thinks...

-j

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ok chaps i have gabbled for long enough
my question to you is.
can the leopard really change his spots , or is it just an industry game ?
and if you were in my position
what would you do?

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changing spots - bring in more remixers & cut down your Hydraulix etx production, this will give you more time, the label wider scope, and some new heads a good opportunity

if i were you, i would def try the psuedonym (sp?) for a few eps or even collabs with ppl like Varela or Skoog who have stepped over.


Mr Drummer, it is always better to regret something you have done than something you havent... go for it man.

and if it does f*ck up, jus re-release One Night In Hackney with a Liebing remix.. it'll be massif geeeeez ;)

BUT.. i'm not you.. soooo.. i cant really say.

its an odd situation. hawtin, imo, has slowly morphed his dj style over many years, where as his albums havent changed THAT much.. Mills ? i havent seen ANY change in his style or sound.

maybe a digital avenue is an effective route.. with laptops & cdjs being so loved these days, maybe Beatport or such might allow for a little journey into mnml land without too much expense..


i will say this. imo, you techno has always had a very wide spread. from your acid trax, to the tougher stripped percussion sound, to the silly sampled party vibe, to the harder linear european ideal. and all the engineering youve done for others. surely a step further wouldnt be THAT much of a departure ?


p.s have u released any albums ?

Heres my opinion H...
Plenty of artists vary their material under the same name, look at Eat Static for example, it'd be hard to name a style they haven't dipped their toes into...doesn't seem to have damaged their credibility in any way...still underground...still pulling the crowds...You've already gone down the alias route, with the techno, so that can be road is always open...I reckon it's time to push the name forward...

Heres my opinion H...
Plenty of artists vary their material under the same name, look at Eat Static for example, it'd be hard to name a style they haven't dipped their toes into...doesn't seem to have damaged their credibility in any way...still underground...still pulling the crowds...You've already gone down the alias route, with the techno, so that road is always open...I reckon it's time to push the name forward...

I would go with the 'do whatever' train of thought

Your an artist, you should be able to pain any picture you want. **** everyone else

*paint*

i dont think going on a forum and asking for advice on what to do will really help you at all (not a dig)

Has anyone in this thread said anything other than go for it? I can't remember reading it if they did, surely that tells you all you need to know?

I'm still puzzled who'd be down on the idea tbh :scratch:

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and if it does f*ck up, jus re-release One Night In Hackney with a Liebing remix.. it'll be massif geeeeez ;)

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and if it does f*ck up, jus re-release One Night In Hackney with a Liebing remix.. it'll be massif geeeeez ;)

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does that sound realy cheeky ? :eh:

sorry if it came across a bit.. harsh :oops:

Not at all mate. I thought it was funny.

Use a different alais.

Failing that, do as I did to my pet leopard when requiring a spot change: fetch the belt sander.

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Not at all mate. I thought it was funny.

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me too

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me too

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You should do a mnml remix of it.

"... take this pill"... so I took it... and I said .... "What was that?" ... "Pro plus, you'll be needing it if you want to stay awake until they play some proper ****ing Techno..."

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me too

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You should do a mnml remix of it.

"... take this pill"... so I took it... and I said .... "What was that?" ... "Pro plus, you'll be needing it if you want to stay awake until they play some proper ****ing Techno..."

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thats great :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol:

ha ha ha! :lol:

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me too

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You should do a mnml remix of it.

"... take this pill"... so I took it... and I said .... "What was that?" ... "Pro plus, you'll be needing it if you want to stay awake until they play some proper ****ing Techno..."

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funny you should say that
we just did 2 remixes of it the other day , just didn't get round to dong a minimal one
wonder why....

*doing* although "dong" may be more appropriate

dong..........wooooosh......click,click

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we just did 2 remixes of it the other day , just didn't get round to dong a minimal one
wonder why....

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Ooooooh, curiosity well and truly aroused. (Amongst other things).

mr. drummer...

it's funny that i should happen upon this thread right now. i just went a little crazy finding some ridiculously tweaked out minimal funk (for lack of a better phrase). not the leaky faucet, sure-to-cause-a-yawn-at-2-am stuff...but truly interesting techno (IMNSHO).

this is a bit of a departure for me as well, as i may not be as big a techno name as yourself, but i am known for bangin' it.

i don't plan on giving up the rip-your-head-off techno anytime soon, but i am truly enjoying a foray into the funkier, weirder end of things. and i have been wondering about the same thing (albeit on a much smaller scale). am i gonna have to put up with a buncha guff about my sound changing a bit?

i pretty much decided that my sound has changed several times (and i have always played funkier, more minimally stuff when the dancefloor or the venue or my mood necessitated it), and at the end of the day, i have to playing and producing what makes me happy.

i have been fairly bored with the harder techno for a while now. there are always gems if you look hard enough, but when i go to the record shop, listen to 50 records, and take home ONE...there is a problem.

so i say...do what you feel. some folks here have said what i think: minimal has become a catchphrase for a fairly wide section of techno that may or may not sound like my faucet dripping for 5 minutes. but it's all still techno at the end of the day.

and if techno was about evolution, then i say we need to get on with it.

i ain't gonna be giving up my speedy j and anxious records, but i feel ok working some new stuff into my repertoire, and if people are there to dance...then that's all i care about.

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it's crazy really, you stick with one style too much you get slated, if you change style you get slated.

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why dont you start a new label mate

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mr. drummer...

it's funny that i should happen upon this thread right now. i just went a little crazy finding some ridiculously tweaked out minimal funk (for lack of a better phrase). not the leaky faucet, sure-to-cause-a-yawn-at-2-am stuff...but truly interesting techno (IMNSHO).

this is a bit of a departure for me as well, as i may not be as big a techno name as yourself, but i am known for bangin' it.

i don't plan on giving up the rip-your-head-off techno anytime soon, but i am truly enjoying a foray into the funkier, weirder end of things. and i have been wondering about the same thing (albeit on a much smaller scale). am i gonna have to put up with a buncha guff about my sound changing a bit?

i pretty much decided that my sound has changed several times (and i have always played funkier, more minimally stuff when the dancefloor or the venue or my mood necessitated it), and at the end of the day, i have to playing and producing what makes me happy.

i have been fairly bored with the harder techno for a while now. there are always gems if you look hard enough, but when i go to the record shop, listen to 50 records, and take home ONE...there is a problem.

so i say...do what you feel. some folks here have said what i think: minimal has become a catchphrase for a fairly wide section of techno that may or may not sound like my faucet dripping for 5 minutes. but it's all still techno at the end of the day.

and if techno was about evolution, then i say we need to get on with it.

i ain't gonna be giving up my speedy j and anxious records, but i feel ok working some new stuff into my repertoire, and if people are there to dance...then that's all i care about.

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i think really, the problem is a lack of quality control or even availabilty on hard techno these days... i have sooo much music sent to me for review cause i've been doing mag reviews for years and 7% of it is now hard techno as opposed to 70% 2 years ago.

i love heads down hard music but it's just not there in the form we know and love. and that's why ppl like you and drummer (and me to some extent) are looking elsewhere too.

this thread just goes on hehe!!! :lol:

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me too

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You should do a mnml remix of it.

"... take this pill"... so I took it... and I said .... "What was that?" ... "Pro plus, you'll be needing it if you want to stay awake until they play some proper ****ing Techno..."

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15 cans of Red Bull!! :cheese: :cheese:

I figure i'm pretty late joining this discussion, but i feel i have something to contribute that hasn't been addressed, and i think its about time i started getting into these discussions. ;)


Henry(DtD), some of my first records were of hydraulix, 18 and 20 i think. Great tunes, i still play them occasionally. If you think you have something original or advanced to contribute to the evolution of the music, be it acid or minimal, i think you should feel obligated to craft it to its maximum potential, and release it. Provided that you're not adding to the clutter of a trend-built scene, you should feel free to push new ideas and innovations.


As for people getting miffy over the branding things, i guess its like flavored milk. You've been out making chocolate-flavoured milk (acid) for so long and thats people's near-exclusive frame of reference. So now you start making strawberry-flavoured milk (minimal) and (given that people have never tasted dave the drummer brand strawberry milk before, or strawberries for that matter) naturally people are going to try it expecting it to be just like chocolate milk. I suppose if you released it under an alias, people would be more appreciative of it as a seperate brand, it'd be just like a new kind of chocolate milk to them.

Maybe that was an awkward metaphor. I tried. :)

blimey, dont have the time or patience to read 9 pages worth, but the 9 pages tells me there's alot of opinions on this matter. i havnt been on this forum for ages so i have no idea how current this reply will be but as a long time record buyer of mr drummer i'd like to add my bit.

i reckon dtd is in a better position than most producers to experiment, decades in the business, a badass studio and an ability to produce a wide variety of music. i understand the financial constraints of promoting your own music, especially with the seemingly lacklustre vinyl trade, but expressing your music via your own labels seems to be the only way to share with the music loving public what you're trying to do. it's worked up til now within the constraints of henry's 'dancefloor' style, i'm sure with the right research into where the target audience is for the music you want to make, and how to reach them, it could work for alternative styles. i suppose money will always be a deciding factor in branching into other styles, but surely there would be no need to compromise the income generated from what henry does now, just channel some of it into getting other projects off the ground???

whatever happens, best of luck with it!!!!

i wouldnt say theres lots of opinions. a lot of people saying the same thing for sure