Listen to all 3 of them mixes in sequence and then listen to Shiva mix Slav. got me through 2 days of work.
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Listen to all 3 of them mixes in sequence and then listen to Shiva mix Slav. got me through 2 days of work.
yeah but that would have taken clicking and reading. and you know how it is... :;Quote:
Originally Posted by TechMouse
(and pretty much wanted to get this discussion back on topic)
but will do :)
i like that shitQuote:
Originally Posted by koma
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Originally Posted by TechMouse
lol. I didnt dig them TBH.
I'm gonna try and hunt down a couple of ones i like & post em.
Shivas is well interesting. .Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyBlack
I still wish it was done on the wax though. I find the bass lacking in abelton sets sometimes.
I just downloaded this one. I haven't listened to it yet, but knowing Stormfield it will be full of obscenely heavy basslines.
Recognise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYOmu0nL6tY
glad you dig, but a fair bit of those were taken direct from the mastered wavs...so not sure where the lack of bass perception is coming from. the real question is...if i hadn't posted that it was an ableton mix, would you have heard it the same way? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
i purposely use ableton for dubstep because my one gripe about it is many of the tunes are based around "drop to drop" mixing (kinda like dnb), and i prefer the flow of techno layering, instant edits and geeky efx play myself.
wow... you are a nervy little ****er aren't you? you come on here talking MAD smack, calling everything in dubstep shit (wow...you listened to EVERYTHING in the whole genre, huh? when do you sleep?), declaring its inferiority to techno, such that it should never soil the speakers techno is played on, call anyone who listens to it drugged out idiots, and now you get all butt-hurt because i called you out for being a closed-minded prick?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aratron
someone can dish it out but sure doesn't know how to take it, huh? good lord, are you frickin' twelve years old?
anyway, whatever...whoever wants to talk about dubstep, let's chat. now that aratron has made his opinion clear, i should hope that he can find threads that are more pertinent to his dazzling taste in music, and leave the rest of us to talk about the utter drivel that we are listening to.
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You really do have achip on your shoulder about this whole vinyl vs digital thing dont you man.Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
Why?
In fairness, I didn't read it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by RDR
He's just commenting on his perception.
It would be interesting to see the results of a double blind test though.
planky NEVER loses an opportunity to have a dig about vinyl vs digital.Quote:
Originally Posted by TechMouse
:lol:
Thats right planky... im watching.. ALWAYS watching
i didn't really read massplanck's comment as a dig either, for the record. see? i swear i am not a knee-jerk responder. really.
Well to be fair, it seems to me like you have an equally big pro-digital chip on yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by RDR
Reckon there's a sticky for this old topic already though :lol:
Warping in ableton affects the bass region.... i coudlnt quote you any numbers or anything, but i can hear it. for sure...
i would guess there is some sort of phase manipulation by the stretching of the waveforms, around the 400 - 800 Hz area, which is where alot of the punch lies..
i could be totally wrong here...but all i know is that it does affect the sound
if it is warped in beats mode, there are definitely transient noises, and complex mode also does involve some degradation of sound. however, most of my stuff is warped in "repitch" mode, which does not have the same degradation of sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by stjohn
not really for me. reminds me of late 90s ed rush or trace records at half speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TechMouse
still open minded though...more?
glad you feel free to ventilate Millie. Like i said no need to get defensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by djshiva
it's okay mate i athought it was quite funny aswell.:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by C.O.Prodigy
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Originally Posted by MITA
check out this one MITA posted slav... I liked
Sorry, your wrong man. I own around 1600 records and counting, im a scratch DJ and i love vinyl, to be honest im just giving planky the rise on this one (trolling my bad i know, i know...:rolleyes: )Quote:
Originally Posted by theledge
But he knows what im talking about.
i might run a digital label but the issues i have with vinyl are WAY more to do with the business model its been occupying in the years previous to this and the way they have crushed creativity at the expense of labels looking to fund their next release. By this i mean the more commercial end of the market. Not the good folks willing to put their money where their mouth is, in that respect massplank is 100% right, there are some superb releases on vinyl right now, more than there was before - simply because no-one is willing to risk the cash on hits that MAYBE will work.
thats how i see it anyway, id be interested if anyone else had an opinion contrary to this, genuine. BY heck id love to see it all vinyl again, i honeslty would.
cheers for the link, but i can't get into it. not going to write off the whole genre though, mind you, just at this point the whole "dark garage" thing doesn't do it for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.O.Prodigy
now...i say this to stimulate discussion, not to troll, so no one get offended, but is it possible that the current enthusiasm for dubstep has more to do with the staleness of techno and a thirst for something new and vital than the inherent amazingness of dubstep?
just a thought...no one kill me...i fully recognize i have only limited exposure to dubstep and acknowledge that i could be 100% off-base :)
Ok but when you say techno .. what comes to mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
To me, artists that come to mind are : James Ruskin, Go Hiyama, Luka Baumann, Grovskopa, Dirty_Bass, Speedy J, Jeroen Liebregts, Reeko, Inigo Kennedy, Surgeon, CYP, rednox, Makaton, Regis, Female.... both for mixes and tracks... Now for these artists I wouldn't say that they exude staleness, quite on the on the contrary. I'm not always inclined to listen to these kind of sounds 24/7 like I used to, but they are my go to guys when I fell the urge to go nuts...
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Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
oh you big troll!
Dubstep has nothing got to do with the staleness of techno. People just enjoy it & are digging it the same way people dug techno & d'n'b when it was new. The production values in the early stuff was really really amazing (Loefah, Toasty, Hotflush Records, Vex'd, DMZ etc). Really top notch stuff. These guys are bass enthusiasts. Now there are tons of imitators who dont really have the same kind of standards, some producing crap music & some producing excellent music, which is making it hard to find the good stuff. But it was always the same situation with techno. C'mon there must be at least 3000 techno labels out there. All this talk about hype and bandwagon jumping is funny. We ALL jumped onto the techno bandwagon at some stage. If Surgeon hadnt jumped on the techno bandwagon in the mid ninties , well we wouldnt have had surgeon would we etc etc.
@ Shiva & RDR. Its a personal thing with the abelton v vinyl . But dont let that stop you. You wouldnt be able to make a mix like that with a set of decks & I still really enjoyed it. Keep mashing up the styles girlfriend! :)
Ah, I see what you did there...Quote:
Originally Posted by djshiva
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Originally Posted by RDR
And you take it very personal when I talk about my preference for vinyl over digital formats. Why? Because I grew up listening to it, touching it and I love the sound of it & the bass is fatter and the highs are not as harsh. Sure its more expensive. But I love music & have not problems shelling out to have it in my hand. Vinyl definately moves me more emotionally. I cant describe it, but it has also go to do with the social aspect of it. If I am an abelton DJ how easy it for my mates to call around and have a mess with my setup? Also I stare at a computer screen all day at work. I dont like doing that for another 8 hours when I get home. etc etc
Would I be talking out my ass if i said that most producers on this site would reather have their music pressed to wax? But on the flip side how many of them buy wax? Nothing has changed for me. I'm still buying records. The digital age has given me the power to hear a hell of a lot of stuff I would never have heard before & listen to a track several times over before making that crucial decision to spend 10 euros. The days of walking into a record shop on payday and handing over a hundred quid to buy the ten latest bangers are over. Now I can have anything I ever wanted on vinyl. And Its thanks to the digital age that has enabled this.
I still ENJOY the music from digtal labels. I dont dismiss the music because of the format its on but I do have a preference.
http://virusb-23.co.uk/content/view/48/62/Quote:
Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
http://virusb-23.co.uk/content/view/105/62/
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For me, the best Techno has always gone around the houses and incorporated wildly different sounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
Basic Channel brought dub into the mix. Tim Wright brought in two-step rhythms. CJ Bolland flirts with trance. T Raumschmiere has a punk edge. You can pull all of these elements and more into a Techno mix and create something cohesive, varied and unique all at the same time.
Dubstep is just another element for this.
of course it doesn't, but i was talking about the enthusiasm for it among techno heads. or maybe it has nothing to do with it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
Good comment chief :)Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
Fair enough I understand now.
The whole digital debate is very interesting for dubstep, because like D&B it's a primarily dubplate-based culture. Though on the other hand many of the key players fully embrace digital technology (CD decks and Ableton).
In fact, last time I saw Digital Mystikz they played a pretty much 100% CD set.
I think for me, i like the stuff because the bass truly excites me. you see, i want to make really good techno and what im doing at the moment is listening to other stuff to avoid tunnel vision and any stagnation that i may run into while producing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcc7504i8gM - Starkey - Prism / Starksound 2 dub | 432hz
Look how the genre devolved.
Christ.... Skrillex?
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Originally Posted by DannyBlack
lol . . . it always was heading that way frot he start it was pretentious bollocks with no real identity waiting to be commercialised.