The BOA Guide To Real Hard Techno

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Originally Posted by ritaheed

quick and smart is banging - proper quality producer. Propa hard jacked up wonked up shizz :)

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Too bad we will never again see releases from him :(

Indeed. RIP.

Since the thread is being plugged.

My track from our first release on vinyl and some video;

YouTube - HARD TECHNO DJ VINYL - b08032010 - qUE (invertedlightsource.com)

I was thinking this track when I said Max Walder earlier in the thread :)

YouTube - Max Walder And Manu Kenton - Norton

seem like there's a few similarly disjointed tracks like this one. I only mentioned Max Walder because it seems Manu Kenton's solo stuff hasn't got the same heavyness to it, so I can only assume it's Mr Walder's contribution to the sound that's more in line with what I personally like.

Full EP, with a remix from DJ OGI coming December 15th.

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Stupid thread, tbh.

Why?

progression in the sound, a guide to (hard) tech. :runinja:
past ,present, future. :dontgothere:

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YouTube - Chris Liebing - Bossi :drive:

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Originally Posted by BloodStar

Stupid thread, tbh.

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Nobody asked you, if you don't like it find another thread...
So tired of people's negativity on a subject that others are obviously so passionate about.

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Originally Posted by The Overfiend

Nobody asked you, if you don't like it find another thread...
So tired of people's negativity on a subject that others are obviously so passionate about.

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Wasn't worth rising to IMHO ;)

Now everyone sing with me for Bloodstar;

# Mr Troll get back under that bridge, Mr Troll go back from whence you came, Your negative comments are always the same, unneeded, pitiful and a shame.

i don't think Bloodstar was trolling tbf, just expressing an opinion

tbh i think this thread is a bit ridiculous too, people arguing over what is hard techno and what isn't is tedious

however, saying the likes of oscar mulero and ritzi lee aren't hard is quite simply :ruretard:

peoples it does not matter. the thread name is perhaps wrong.
but we can post , educate others, and find new stuff that one recommends.

that cannot be stupid.

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Originally Posted by Numeric

i don't think Bloodstar was trolling tbf, just expressing an opinion

tbh i think this thread is a bit ridiculous too, people arguing over what is hard techno and what isn't is tedious

however, saying the likes of oscar mulero and ritzi lee aren't hard is quite simply :ruretard:

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Dude, you say discussing what is/isn't hard techno is tedious, but then do exactly that in your next comment, lol!

I agree with Mita; people posting up links for tracks and artists, and recommending things to each other isn't stupid at all, and I personally have found some great new stuff through this thread, so all good!

heres what Mr. EG had to say recently on this subject :)

http://www.edit-tehno.org/Mark_EG_Li...19.11.2010.mp3

YouTube - Mark Eg @ Club X-Lagum

I think the name of the thread is perfect.
The BOA Guide to Real Hard Techno.

With so many different personalities and people here, we were bound to get the ball rolling and kick off a discussion as to what defines or doesn't.
I think it's healthy to discuss and even disagree at times.
I don't think it's healthy to criticise people who are passionate about their stances. Healthy discussion and brainstorming never hurts. In fact this thread has just about inspired me to start a new label strictly for Hard Techno.

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Originally Posted by The Overfiend

I think the name of the thread is perfect.
The BOA Guide to Real Hard Techno.

With so many different personalities and people here, we were bound to get the ball rolling and kick off a discussion as to what defines or doesn't.
I think it's healthy to discuss and even disagree at times.
I don't think it's healthy to criticise people who are passionate about their stances. Healthy discussion and brainstorming never hurts. In fact this thread has just about inspired me to start a new label strictly for Hard Techno.

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Good news! ;)

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Originally Posted by The Overfiend

... this thread has just about inspired me to start a new label strictly for Hard Techno.

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Excellent!

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Originally Posted by The Overfiend

has just about inspired me to start a new label strictly for Hard Techno.

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DO IT!!!! :D

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Originally Posted by teknorich

I do like a lot of modern Techno, but I also don't see it as being hard. That's the key word here - HARD. It is definitely Techno, and it is very nicely produced at that, but it isn't hard.

My Dad listens to Rhythm & Blues. He has always loved Blues; it is the music he really feels in his blood. So when he sees on TV that nowadays R&B means Destiny's Child, rather than Robert Johnson et al, do you think he should just say "Yeah, you're right, this is R&B. This is what R&B is these days, so I will blindly accept it because I am told that this is R&B, so it must be"? NO WAY! He still listens to the music he always loved, even if no fcker produces it any more, and he still knows that is the real R&B. He's not gonna accept some lightweight poppy bullsh*t as being R&B, cos he knows it is not.

You listen to Destiny's Child's music, and you can easily see it isn't real R&B. The B stands for Blues, and I don't hear ANY blues in their songs. It's all about how sexy they are, how independent and strong they are etc etc ad nauseum. So, if ya got no blues, how can you be R&B = Rhythm and Blues? Just like a lot of this music is techno but it isn't hard, so how can it be Hard Techno?!

Anyways, I think we are seeing a slow resurgence of real harder Techno, with labels like "We like it hard" springing up (and planning a new night at Tresor) and new releases coming out which, instead of pandering to the whole "minimal masquerading as techno" thing which has been going on for the last few years, are actually a genuine harder techno sound; such as the new Machine Code release from Dean Rodell. I think it's gonna be a while before we see a lot of artists making the real harder sounds again, but it is happening slowly, so watch this space...

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Yeahhh ..
Good point!

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Originally Posted by The Overfiend

YouTube - WJ Henze - Direct Voice Input

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quality

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Originally Posted by qUE

Since the thread is being plugged.

My track from our first release on vinyl and some video;

YouTube - HARD TECHNO DJ VINYL - b08032010 - qUE (invertedlightsource.com)

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fcuking quality mate!

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Originally Posted by ritaheed

fcuking quality mate!

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Cheers!

It's been a bit of a love hate relationship with the track being pressed on our first vinyl. Hopefully I'll get to press more, although it's quite an outlay to press vinyl. I'm still greatful I had the chance to :)

That's a dope track.
Nice n tracky

Bring back Dean Cole and some tracky as hell USER records :)

YouTube - DEAN COLE - Dancefloor (From Beyond EP [Corrosion Records] )

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Originally Posted by BloodStar

Stupid thread, tbh.

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Originally Posted by teknorich

Why?

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Originally Posted by The Overfiend

Nobody asked you, if you don't like it find another thread...
So tired of people's negativity on a subject that others are obviously so passionate about.

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Originally Posted by qUE

Wasn't worth rising to IMHO. ;)Now everyone sing with me for Bloodstar;
# Mr Troll get back under that bridge, Mr Troll go back from whence you came, Your negative comments are always the same, unneeded, pitiful and a shame.

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Hahaha. Didn't want to reply to you first, but i will.

My post was ONLY my personal opinion. If mod of this place thinks it's so offensive and unpolite, then he can send me PM, delete the post or whatever, that is easy. As it didn't happen no needs to be so dramatic.

If you are just going to say "Stupid thread" then don't join in on a discussion thread! If you think it it stupid, that's fine, but at least explain why. Otherwise you are not discussing, just being negative, and that is pointless.

thread turned into "Youtube propa techno thread" copy, irrelevant to the topic really quickly.
It ended up exactly as i was expecting, people putting the names out of the hat, put there some friends, some of their works etc. Many artists putted here are not producing anymore, some of them still producing, but not doing techno at all. many artists doing conga bonga, i don't think we can call hard techno.
now on page 7, did we move somewhere on the topic?
then yeah stupid thread if you ask me again.

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Originally Posted by BloodStar

thread turned into "Youtube propa techno thread" copy, irrelevant to the topic really quickly.
It ended up exactly as i was expecting, people putting the names out of the hat, put there some friends, some of their works etc. Many artists putted here are not producing anymore, some of them still producing, but not doing techno at all. many artists doing conga bonga, i don't think we can call hard techno.
now on page 7, did we move somewhere on the topic?
then yeah stupid thread if you ask me again.

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ah k, that's a bit clearer. I personally thought this thead was aimed at if someone came along without a clear understanding of what hard techno is and still thinking scooter make the best hard techno evar.

The stuff being posted from Youtube is pretty much the only way we can put examples of what people here view as hard techno, it's not a competition to show who knows what hard techno is and what hard techno isn't, because as I found in many cases it's really hard to put you finger on a genre.

And also as I've come to realise from this thread, I personally like that solid chicago stuff, but like most other people I've got an eclectic record collection and there's stuff I would of thought as not hard enough to play in a hard set, but I know now that it is because it's still driving and progressive and I've got the views of others to at least go by as a guide.

As for posting our own stuff, well you've just said a very good reason for that, the artists that did make stonking hard techno tunes don't anymore, they've seen the money and have followed that (I'm not a believer of the old excuse "we're searching for a new sound"). Where it's left a hoard of clubbers who have a history of getting mashed to 10+KW PA at some local asylum rinsing out the most abstract tribalistic beats till 8am. It's still frowned apon by a huge section of modern society in the UK, yet it's so similar to what the tribes slowly being wiped out by modern society do to celebrate their existance. I get more and more baffled by what is classed as progress.

I'll keep enjoying and producing stuff in this specific genre for a very long time, whilst everyone else changes taste and moves to other things. The combination of raw analog sound and intelligent sequencing you just don't hear in many other forms of music imho.

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Originally Posted by qUE

As for posting our own stuff, well you've just said a very good reason for that, the artists that did make stonking hard techno tunes don't anymore, they've seen the money and have followed that (I'm not a believer of the old excuse "we're searching for a new sound").

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That's the minimal guys you're speaking of, the rest of us who changed direction done it for one reason: We got bored of our old sound, even in its refined form.

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Originally Posted by Mattias_Fridell

That's the minimal guys you're speaking of, the rest of us who changed direction done it for one reason: We got bored of our old sound, even in its refined form.

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if you make hard techno year after year your gonna get the itch to make some thing different at some point nothing wrong with that i would be bored shitless playin hard techno day in day out for the rest of me life same with house techno trance mininal breakbeat jungle you can always go back to it when you ready with a clear head an produce great tunes with a new edge

Ah yeah. You know what- as much as we might not like what people are doing- they do. And thats the main thing.

To each their own. and if it comes to a point where you can't listen to someone any more- don't. Make your own beats.

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Originally Posted by markandrew

if you make hard techno year after year your gonna get the itch to make some thing different at some point nothing wrong with that i would be bored shitless playin hard techno day in day out for the rest of me life same with house techno trance mininal breakbeat jungle you can always go back to it when you ready with a clear head an produce great tunes with a new edge

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Right, that's my feeling exactly. I started to produce in the 90s, released my stuff early 2000 up till now and for over a decade I've done "hard" techno but also much other music but I felt I came to the point I'm fed up with it. My coming stuff will still be "hard" on some release but with a totally different direction.

I'm much more interested in tone, mood, dirt, emptiness, subtle movements and experimental thinking now, all of those things I rejected in much of my techno production before. Respect to those who can stay with what they've always done (even if it really boring from a production point of view) but thats just nothing for me.

It's called progression and developing of the style?!

Check this also if any of you dont know this label, they release what we talk about here , but not just that, a combo of styles..

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Originally Posted by Mattias_Fridell

Right, that's my feeling exactly. I started to produce in the 90s, released my stuff early 2000 up till now and for over a decade I've done "hard" techno but also much other music but I felt I came to the point I'm fed up with it. My coming stuff will still be "hard" on some release but with a totally different direction.

I'm much more interested in tone, mood, dirt, emptiness, subtle movements and experimental thinking now, all of those things I rejected in much of my techno production before. Respect to those who can stay with what they've always done (even if it really boring from a production point of view) but thats just nothing for me.

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Yeah, the emotiveness, that's music theory. I find if the sequence and tweaking are done live, the emotion is pretty much put in there as standard. I've personally always been into technical intricacies and instability, hopefully aiming to let the machines add their own character, I'm a fair way there, still quite a bit of R&D to do though.

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Originally Posted by MITA

Check this also if any of you dont know this label, they release what we talk about here , but not just that, a combo of styles..

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heard that one before. Not really my cuppa tbh.

The Vegim remix off this is pretty savage.

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Hey blood... long story short, I'm not even going to go back and forth with you, because reality is this is the internet and it's irrelevant at the end of the day. We're all here expressing our opinions. Everyone who posts in this thread has validity and a lot of experience in the subject. From Mark to Mattias, Concrete's and Que. There's a good deal of positive coming out of the thread, from projects, to discussion, to links to what each person is diggin', to be honest, that's pretty effective and positive. Should a new member come to this thread, I'd say they're bound to learn something. So I'm sorry you feel a certain negative vibe from it all and think it's corny, but I think this is a contributive thread to the community and this forum as a whole.

In addition I'm proud of the members around here who responded to you with content and intelligence, really impressed by how this place has matured, no 3 page fights and what not.

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Originally Posted by qUE

Yeah, the emotiveness, that's music theory. I find if the sequence and tweaking are done live, the emotion is pretty much put in there as standard. I've personally always been into technical intricacies and instability, hopefully aiming to let the machines add their own character, I'm a fair way there, still quite a bit of R&D to do though.

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You think much like me I can hear. I'm old school when it comes to production, I like to record and tweak everything live (though it takes layer recordings at times obviously) and like to program with step sequencing & pattern based writing just like how everything started. I'm not into drawing lines in Cubase to make music, I find its killing my inspiration and ideas pretty quick for example.

As my mate MITA says, TMMR is a good label and combines a bit of everything, theres some real solid releases on there.

The Overfiend; always great wisdom coming from you.

Long live!

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Always loved the sound of Subvoice's pressings, Youtube doesn't do it justice but this is a good track all the same.

YouTube - DJ Shufflemaster - Freestyle Traxx 2 (Harlem Shuffle) A1

Original of this and the Lost Recordings #1 album it's on is still one of the best things Steve Bicknell ever did IMHO. Bar that rather menacing thing he did on the B side of a Drum Club vinyl :)

YouTube - Steve Bicknell-Why? +For Whom? Redefined (original) B2

Does Rush still make stuff like this?? Do want.

YouTube - DJ Rush - Groovy

Rush has such a distinctive sound; really got his own character and vibe. Definitely appreciate! Slightly insane vocals sometimes, but the percussion is just so tight and heavy. Can't help but grin on the dancefloor! :rubiggrin:

Anyone like Logotech at all? He's kind of an up and comer and similar to Virgil Enzinger but I like some of his stuff here/there.

Label? Cus' christ I have more web presence than they do and that's saying something because of my artist/DJ name!

YouTube - Steve Bicknell - How Can We Know (Life Definition)
YouTube - Robert Natus - Grooverider - [PRRUK 046 - B2]

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Originally Posted by The Overfiend

YouTube - Steve Bicknell - How Can We Know (Life Definition)
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rocking!!