nobody denied that.....Quote:
Originally Posted by *muci*
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nobody denied that.....Quote:
Originally Posted by *muci*
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Originally Posted by jonnyspeed
did i understand that wrong??
But you're saying you need something new? Schranz isn't new anymore and has run its course just as quick if not quicker than Beyer, Umek or any of those guys did with their stuff. This difference with Beyer and co. is that they branched out and made other styles, as the hard as nails stuff wasn't as interesting for them to stick at full time.. not to mention them having an ambition to be known as more than just hard techno producers. As for the Chris McCormack association I think that's a bit off, he's one producer who virtually always manages to turn up with something new and gobsmacking. And Chris Liebing? well, fair enough people have mixed opinions on what he's at these days but for **** sake he is the single most important influence on all of your Schranz scene, there is absolutely no doubting that... kind of strange the way you now diss him?Quote:
Originally Posted by HardtraX
Btw. I am a fan of the Schranz sound but it's been released to beat the band, and hasn't really shown any signs of variation. Many hardcore fans of this stuff are now looking for a change, something with more depth. I admire the dedication that many of the Schranz producers have but all the dedication in the world isn't worth a shit if it's 20-30 producers all trying to sound like one another.. Granted there's a few exceptions to this but not many.
no actually not, but that the exception i was talking about ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by *muci*
what an absolutely unproductive thing to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyspeed
That's twice.........Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
totally ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
i believe liebing is the one who coined the phrase "schranz" to begin with...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
Yeah he is, which makes it odd to see people within the Schranz scene slagging him off ?Quote:
Originally Posted by h.a.r.d.s.i.g.n.a.l
man, one artist/label who I say their production/pressing is rubbish, based on actually listening to their tunes and being disappointed it had to go into the 'no thanks' pile, and I get abuse.
I also qualified the 1 euro comment by saying I would happily pay full import price if it was clear and punchy - not if you could write tunes.
And I buy stuff out of Germany that is nowhere near as dulled and fuzzed as Combat Skill.
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Originally Posted by jonnyspeed
i dont see any problem, if you dont like my records, you dont need to buy it ;)
but your reason is stupid! I released only one fuzzed track (by Frank Kvitta),
but this was the style of this track :rambo:
Ah who cares which camp has advanced more. Both schranz and tribal techno haven't progressed in a couple years anyway. If you really want to hear some crazy shit going on right now, start digging through the minimal records. There are records coming out that are harder than any of the Glenn Wilson type stuff at about 5 bpm less and about 50 layers less. Less is more.
Hmmm, this is getting a little too much like a slagging match.
I think a safe conclusion to make from all this is.....
A lot of peeps are seeing some stagnation within the hard techno/schranz/distorted techno scene.
Some of the producers are getting (understandably) defensive, but don`t seem to be picking anything up from this.
So we can all learn from this.
I made an effort and listened to a crate load of schranz and found some bits of gold in there.
But the producers can learn by developing their style away from kick-locked obvious production.
I have to give Ocram credit.
His approach has been the most humble despite the slagging, he sits back and laughs because whether it's my taste, your taste, or his taste, It's selling. And at the end of the day he has achieved something that obviously people are enjoying. Yes that one track was static laden. No Me personally I don't prefer that type of techno, but it's selling and at this point I cannot fight that.
But what would make clear is that we respect each other here, as much as I may agree or disagree with peoples points we are not here to bash each other. I can imagine as a producer how I would feel if a random punter downgraded my art. I don't bash people but sway them in a better direction to try to help them progress. But bashing is not necessary or wanted here.
Well actually I am going to ask a question that I don't think is uncalled for.. why are the Combat Skill records just in a paper sleeve?Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
Personally I haven't found CSK to be cut as poorly as what some people have said, however it's obvious that it could be a little better.. this could be down to the problem Amok mentioned about the excess manufacturing costs perhaps? But is the lack of a cover also attributed to this same reason or what? There should be some basic standard that is expected of labels, and with the excess price of records these days to the punter I'm not surprised how some may react at being offered a product that is quite simply not up to scratch or incomplete. The gripes regarding the sound quality and now my one regarding the sleeve are ones I feel Ocram should explain, I like to see that he doesn't seem to have taken much offence to the negative comments regarding the records, but brushing off questions or advice completely could be foolish in my opinion...
you know, i made this topic so we could all talk about it and perhaps reach some really cool conclusions that helps the hard techno scene. the majority of ppl have been great - saying their piece and being totally mature and responsible about the situation. some however have not. their responses have been noted. a huge part of the rules of this board is respect for other members. don't worry, i've noted down who's not been respectful and if they do it again i'll have to do something about it.
anyway let's get back on with the matter in hand. ocram, nice 1 for being cool about this. i'm not slaggin your releases - some other members took the initiative on that :evil: - i play your stuff. but yeah specifically that a1 track by kvitta. i was surprised you put it on the a1. and that i think is what started the alarm bells ringing in my head. if you don't mind me asking why was it the a1? is that sort of thing really going down in germany at the mo? and why? and where?
Like MARK EG said, this topic was open that ppl would get somewhere with good constructive oppinions, to support not bash. Good said there, SummerOfSam. :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
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Originally Posted by Sunil
as the CSK records were flying lots around my head these last weeks didn't see one in just a paper sleeve.
greetz
cant see what difference it make what sleeve they are in. its the record your spinning after all. the rest is just fluff
In that case let every record in the world not have sleeves on them, it would save everyone a few quid too :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by MangaFish
Hmmm an aside really, but if these records are selling so well, then they should be able to afford the necessary production costs, ie sleeves, better cut etc.
a proper sleeve is pretty important to me, it doesn't have to be anything fancy, like a printed one, although they make all the difference. But plain paper sleeves rip the whole time, and are a nuisance. :evil:
That is no secret, it saves me lot of money! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
paper sleeve = 0,06€ and with a normal sleeve = 0,46€
example:
1500 x 0,40€ = 600€ (!!!)
2000 x 0,40€ = 800€ (!!!)
but I sold all Records with paper sleeves,
so it isnt importand witch Sleeve iam using!
For me is the Vinyl quality more importand!
I want bring excelent Tracks & excelent Artists on a excelent quality on my Label,
for doing this i found this way to save money for do it ...
I have no Problem if someone dont likes this tracks or this style,Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
i must accept it ;)
It is a longer story why i use it on the A1, but i cant tell it here ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
But about this Track, it is a oldie from Frank,
Frank showed it to me when he produced it for Rush,
Rush loved it, too and wanted press it on KneDeep.
But it taked long time so i asked if i can have this track, and i geted it,
because i love it! If it is the right A1 or not we can fight about it, hehe.
But how i telled you it has a reason ...
But the Idea from CSK003 was a "very hard distorted" (perfect track for it :lol:) vs. "a soft good to listening" (Patrik Skoog ;)) side, a try to combinate my loving Styles ;)
Maybe not a good try, but i tried it ;)
next Release (CSK004) will be mine, not very much goodnes i know,
but my very own thing (without any Ghostproducer or some other shit!)
I know that it dont will very much art, but own thing, with Remixes by Patrick DSP, Switchblade (Leo Laker) and O.B.I.
after than beginning with the CSK005 i will start to press lot of Split EPs,
CSK005 will be DJ Boss vs. Switchblade, i think good and more for the mass ;)
this is reminding me of something the drum n bass scene is goin through at the moment.....drum n bass has a sub genre called 'clownstep' which is basically really really JUMP UP tunes...like silly noises in and that really energetic......and people are hatin it on internet sites because (admittedley) this is whats gettin played at nights the most.....the lovers of liquid funk (dnb equivalent of minimal techno) & tech step(adam beyer stuff) are flippping.....but really...theres nothin to flip about......tech step and liquid funk sell LOTS of units as well.....and theres specialist nights for these sub genres......
Now....I really really like this hard techno style...but I come from a hardcore techno background....but sorry....this music is hard....and it is good.....and it is selling.....but to be honest is it taking over?
this year so far ive only seen Amoks name on a flyer (and seen him he was amazing) out of all the supposed pioneers of this sound......ive seen on flyers...robert hood,surgeon (seen him he was great),liebing,claude young,the 65d mavericks,jamie bissmere,henrik b,mike humphreys,jeff mills,dave clarke......theyre not likely really to start whackin a whole set of wittekind/natus tunes are they?
dj rush is here saturday...but thats about it......I think people need to realise that techno has a lot of rooms for a lot of styles.....
I aint a producer which maybe is a hindrance but maybe isnt......hey.....your all producers and you make tunes....you probably will have diffrent insights to this.....but im from one of those schools where its simply 'if i like it,i like it'......i listen for great production.....and i know it when i hear it.......but sometimes it is just a case of liking a tune because someones had the time and effort to make it.....and hey....its not too bad
Well at least you are up front about it :clap: But to me you are only offering half the package which is an inner sleeve only :nono: the outer cardboard sleeve is important too. There are actually cardboard/paper type sleeves that are called 'disco bags', they are a suitable compromise if you ever decide the pennies can stretch that far ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ OCRAM
Word...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Zahn
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I have to be honest and state that the cardboard sleeve really shouldn't make a difference.....if the vinyl inside is worth keeping hold of you are able to buy the cardboard sleevs for next to nowt anyway. Or you can go to your local second hand record dealer and buy a load of cheap vinyl(which you then throw away obviously) and use the plain cardboard sleeves for your tunes. Problem sorted ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
I personally have no problem with it.... :rambo:
Lets agree to disagree on that one. I like your tunes just not final bits of plastic you put out as they are very amateur in quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ OCRAM
There's me told. Mark, just PM me if you want me off the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
As if he wants you off the board...Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyspeed
I agree with you about the quality of certain pressings, and yes, it does sometimes completely spoil a good track. Just try to be a little more constructive when making a point...
i dont want you off the board you silly cunt :lol:
i just want some people to be a bit more productive, that's all...
i've gotta say it or else we turn into a horrible place ;)
Sorry - I will leave my come down at home next time. Appologies! BTW I love the Seema stuff.
(now I feel like a cunt... but I'm sure I'll get over it)
...what a cunt :roll:
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ha ha...amok tought seema everthin she know's.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyspeed
maybe it is importand, too. But i sold all records without it, too,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
so i dont see any reason to change it ;) And if i change it,
i need to safe at artists, tracks, mastering and vinylquality :neutral:
It is you opinion, but I dont think so :nono:, for me and lot of other people in my scene it sounds how it need to sounds!Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyspeed
No Bullshit! Lot of other Labelboss with bigger Labels want press in future the same way like me!
:roll: I guess I should STFU and stop making a twat of myself.
Well, for my part I decided to leave this forum. It makes no sense for me to continue this discussion. One last thing: Chris Liebing is the most influential man in the Schranz scene, I agree. But take a look at his crap productions (most of them made by ghost-producers by the way). "His" Sunglasses At Night Remix consists of a couple of samples from the original track with only 3 loops (!!!) from a German sample-disc called Techno Trance Essentials on top of it. Is this creative? The whole discussion is silly, 75% of your argumentions are ridiculous (although I agree on the mastering issue) - you simply lack background informations. This is my last post on this board. Bye! :dontevengothere:
P.S.: Marco (DJ Ocram) is absolutely right! :clap: I'm off now...
P.P.S.: Please delete my account. Thank you!
hmmmm, well, if we are gonna go on the if it sells, then why try to make it better ting, then we are heading into hard house terrortory here. Techno is all about change and forward thinking.
I myself understand the whole sales based on winning formula thing myself, with my own label, and there is pressure there to keep with a winning formula. But I try with each record (whether you like it or not) to do something different, I could have easily kept making the same as my first release, but I am willing to take risks, and push myself (which is pretty dificult, as the two sides of my label sell to 2 different markets, hard techno and prog).
I think people are taking this the wrong way, we all get critisised, and rather than shut out the critisism, learn from it, and ask why it happens.
I would like to see the schranz type techno develope, I really liked it for a while, but it stagnated so quickly.
And as for the attitude of, "people bought all my records anyway, why should I make my product any better".
This will catch up with you eventually, you gotta keep the customer happy, and people have patience for a while, but I would think eventually punters will expect to see some kind of product developement rather than repetative cheapskateism.
[quote="dirty_bass"]Techno is all about change and forward thinking.quote]
Yo Steve, i just registered - will email a reply next week - busy busy!
I would just like to agree with the statement above - since i meet you i have searched further a field with my buying - my eyes have been opened as such.. i thank you for that, just the one comment made me realise something - and i appreciate it - critercism helps to "go forwrd!"
:love: DB002 is the chewn of change :love:
Anyway - must go say hello "to all!"
this is not the truth. you don't know her so don't tell something like this. :nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by poisoned antidote
the odd hard german chewn in a tech set suits me, its just a matter of taste, plus i usually play it way below the zero... its just to fast.............................................. ............................ dush dush! :crackup:
Before this rumor spreads.... I didn´t teach her everything she knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by poisoned antidote
I tought her some basics, she developed her style on that.
I even learned a few things from her. Don´t underestimate her.....
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Originally Posted by Dustin Zahn
got any examples of the artists/tunes you are on about here? ("harder than any of the Glenn Wilson type stuff ")....sounds good id like to here some......