All music has come to an end

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Originally Posted by crime

Do you buy records or cds at all?

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Not nearly as much as I used to.

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Originally Posted by j_s

i dunno. i think lyrics & vocal lines are what give the music a wider appeal. theres decent 'instrumental' stuff about too, but i can't see it pulling as big an audience as say, dizzee rascal. and i do believe a decent audience is necessary for a movement to really kick off.

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That's fair. The MCing makes it a bit more unique set against the rest of the whole broken beat electronica thing, and it certainly gives it the rude boy edge that is probably helping to keep it afloat.

I really want to get down to one of those Rephlex nights at the Elektrowerkz.

I'd love to see Vex'd, particularly.

I really think that there is a lot of good music out there, bottom line is to take the time out to look for it. Yes hip hop is not what it used to be but if you look youll find some hella good underground material. Same with techno if you look youll find granted itll be maybe 2 out of 10 ratio but there are some of us really trying to break the mold, dont know about the next biggest sound but im just saying quality material is out there its about being objective about it.

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Originally Posted by crime

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Originally Posted by OriginalTechnobastard

Why do we even need music rev. ? Its lame talking about it or even contemplating the idea of it.

I think if you are looking for why Techno is unpopular here is few opinions

1.People don't know about it(Most people outside of Europe don't)
2. People only consider it club music
3. Dance music has branched out (Trance DnB house)
4. People think its too hard or simple

Electronic music is great people just have to 'get it'

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This thread has nothing to do with techno being popular or unpopular..
it's about things not having an edge....
Please learn to read ;)

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Ahh I've said if, get the glasses on crime. There was a discussion going on about why Techno is unpopular (its going on right here too) so I've responded to it also it was reaction dtd's post.

Music revolution in 60's gave us hippies and beatles. Not good ha?

As for Dizzee yeah he is pretty revolution. Check the Jayz imitation of that shite tune out of Showcase. Pretty shite attempt to break the sales. The video was even worse.

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Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

I really think that there is a lot of good music out there, bottom line is to take the time out to look for it.

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Me too, over all syles of music. There is always something which stands out

I also dont mind pulling out all the stuff I used to listen years ago

Music will always take me places

There is little value placed on the creative elements of music in general (in fact all arts are suffering this). It has become something that is controlled by guidelines in order to make it a reliable commmodity that can then be "farmed" on a more regular basis.

The "product" is now cruely cultivated and marketed in a way that has become the accepted norm. Artists are seen but not heard as the values and meaning of their music is filtered to become something that is politically correct and swallowed more easily by the public at large. More often than not this is done via having the artists rehash old favourites through some cheesy cover of a song that has long since passed it used by date.

So, yes music is dead coz its meaning and purpose are lost.

Funny how the authorities would now find it more comfortable to carry on with their corrupted ways having lost the voice of contention that so regularly sparked outcry against their attrocities......

As history will tell you... In every major musical changes there was a new instrument or technic that was created. For exemple, classical music was invented 'cause the piano made it's first debut.And they've explored all the ways that they could imagine with it. Even in the mathematical way of speaking( ex: a 3/4 beat , a Waltz... it's a way of saying that they were close to be at the top of their art if not with Chopin).
Is there any classical music played and composed still today?
Of coarse it was great back in the days but a new generation is there, with new problems and philosiphies... What can we do about it?

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Originally Posted by Lady Melodie

Is there any classical music played and composed still today?

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Err, yes, loads and loads.
And yes it is played, both on the radio, and in concerts, with a greater fan base than techno, and with higher sales, better distribution, erm, need I go on?

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Originally Posted by holotropik

There is little value placed on the creative elements of music in general (in fact all arts are suffering this). It has become something that is controlled by guidelines in order to make it a reliable commmodity that can then be "farmed" on a more regular basis.

The "product" is now cruely cultivated and marketed in a way that has become the accepted norm. Artists are seen but not heard as the values and meaning of their music is filtered to become something that is politically correct and swallowed more easily by the public at large. More often than not this is done via having the artists rehash old favourites through some cheesy cover of a song that has long since passed it used by date.

So, yes music is dead coz its meaning and purpose are lost.

Funny how the authorities would now find it more comfortable to carry on with their corrupted ways having lost the voice of contention that so regularly sparked outcry against their attrocities......

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Bang on.. this was exactly the point I was trying to make, that the artistic value is lost and it's become pure product...

The future is happening, it's just getting it's head down and honing it's sound, not blathering away on the internet about compression techniques, how to get 'signed' and whether it is 'ok' to use technique xyz.

Imho of course.

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Originally Posted by schlongfingers

The future is happening, it's just getting it's head down and honing it's sound, not blathering away on the internet about compression techniques, how to get 'signed' and whether it is 'ok' to use technique xyz.

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Again, bang on.....

There is some amazingly produced musics out there from all sorts of styles, the key is to listen to all sorts not just alot of the shitty techno out now, and put those influences into your own shit as we all know.

I hear so many pieces where Yeh the compression might be good, a full sound but the material grabs about as much of my mind as a boiled egg. Theres so much shit like that out there, but looking much further and their are beautiful musics.

Thank the lord for Plaid, Errorsmith, Geoff White, Alex Under, Maurizio, Inigo Kennedy and Gorecki, and !! Detroit Underground !! etc etc KLASHNEKOFF / Manuva

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Originally Posted by miss bass

I hear so many pieces where Yeh the compression might be good, a full sound but the material grabs about as much of my mind as a boiled egg. Theres so much shit like that out there, but looking much further and their are beautiful musics.

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Yeah, they production over content thing had always puzzled me in techno, personally I'd rather have a more interesting tune with rough production than a boring track with good production any day..

I can understand to a certain degree how pieces should be made to their fullest potential if possible, theres nothing better , and thankfully im getting my own head down learning as much as poss to do the same. I think i am one for picking a tune with with great musical content than a piece which loops but has nice compression on the hats. Maybe thats the classical influenced side of me, just hearing those raw instruments and dynamics, (but then again synths dont always sound so phat unless produced / engineered well. Maybe comparing a soft synth to classical could be a little extreme hehe)

One thing ive learnt....

HOW HARD PRODUCTION IS.

Thats why its so amazing, and if you get producers who can engineer as well as making a well produced tune musically i.e Geoff WHite and all the others i mentioned then Hallelujah.