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this topic has suddenly become as dull and looping as the music you're all fighting about.
well, that was the most interesting thing that's ever happened on this forum since I've been here. there's been like, more than 4 posts today.
what about getting overdoxx on? curious what he gotta say
overall...constant use of loops other people made (dont care if its even from sample cd's) is gay....maby sometimes if u make something really cool out of some loop and its totaly diferent....but using 10 loops on your every track someone else made and changing them shows that all you have as a producer is SOME skill, and that skill is playing with other peoples stuff....ok, you create something new and diferent, but being an artist isnt just to create, it is to express yourself tru sound creation....and what your doing here with all these looping is creating just to make something that sounds cool....you depend on the loops others made and they influence your music just too much to be art....u recycle other peoples work and declare its art...
mark, if loops are so easy to make and the real skill is to blend and change them, why dont u make your own loops then and play with those?
wouldnt you feel better if you knew that everything in your tunes are your ideas and your work ?
rather start from scratch and learn how to express YOUR SELF for a couple of years, even if you dont release 10 vinyls per month and your not so c00l in "da scene" :lol:
seems to me many people here here just to be producers and not artists....how does your conscious give you satistaction when you finish a tune with other peoples work in them?
i dont even want to coment people who take a whole tune and put them in their own.....whats the point? you will maby get released on vinyl and be cool? most likely youll get busted and be knows as a ripoff like so many people (on this forum :wink: ) will be .... bekeke....
> mark, if loops are so easy to make and the real skill is to blend and change them, why dont u make your own loops then and play with those?
wouldnt you feel better if you knew that everything in your tunes are your ideas and your work ?
we do this for sure. my loop library is a miss mash of mangled sampled cd's and mess arounds with reason, cubase add vairous midi instruments and rebirth etc etc. what i like about loops from sample cd's is it gives you feelings and grooves that you wouldn't have usually put in yourself on a midi sequencer or with reason etc. it's a very quick way of getting different inspiration.
but i do totally see where you're coming from. it would give you TONNES more satisfaction knowing everything was 100% your own and still be able to get the same sound. give me more time on this planet and i'll build up more and more personally created loops and reduce what i use from sample cd's. i'm heading that way anyway. i've only been producing for about 8 years and only really got half decent at it in the last three.
for example bass guitar loops can make really interesting basslines. i'd love to record my own but i can't play the guitar. so i chop and paste a guitar loop and eq it to my liking. perhaps add distortion to flatten it out a bit. i dunno there's load you can do. this is a quick and effective way of adding something i wouldnt normally be able to add to my work. which in turn helps the creative process and keeps my fresh with new ideas. down the line - yes - we'll get a session musician in record him on the guitar.
but for now this is sometimes the only option for us to test out different ideas and sounds. it works for me and i always feel excited and can be inspired really quickly in the studio. it never felt like this with only midi.
wow this is a good topic isnt' it?!?!! :D
yes, it feels so warm and pleasant...Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
ooops wrong topic. this should have been posted under FOR THE RAVER GIRLS.
:lol: *ggggg* :lol:
yeah for things like that bass guitar example I think sample CDs are valid...it's using CDs geared towards dance music that already have the whole thing done for you that is particularly lame.
A few years ago I actually put a record out with a track that directly sampled a very well known techno producer for an element of the track. It never occurred to me that he would mind as we were acquainted, and fortunately he didn't, but he was a bit miffed that I didn't ask him. I learned from that.
I'd not like it to be thought that my rants on this thread are in any way anti-sampling, or even that I've not used sample CDs, cos I have (I got one free with my sampler back in '96...dogs woofing etc), but if I've lifted a sample in that way I make sure it's not the focus of the track, or I change it so it's totally unrecogniseable. Most importantly, I focus on making every element of a track into part of a whole that actually means something. Just having a cool loop means nothing if you don't do something good with it.
hi! i have just had a long talk with greg silver on icq..... he denies ever consiously using any unauthorized material. he maintains his position that the sven loops came from a hard drive with many loops of which he was not aware of the origins. the official skulltunes statements seem to be: "drums can not be copywritten" "this was a problem between sven and us, and now its finished" "we never intended to use unauthorized loops on a commercial release"
i have asked them to come up with a comprehensive public statement regarding the now excessive mass of artists who are standing in accusation against the label. they have refused. they maintain that if any artist has issues with skulltunes, to please contact them directly..... i am tired and will now go to bed, but i hoe you all will post any new infromation that becomes available.
to be frank, this is a mess, but i am not one to f u c k around with ppl. frankly - this will end one of two ways - badly or worse.
okay mateys here is my last statement and then i will do my work, this discussion is going on my nerves. i got a another long discussion with via icq and i repeat what i said there:
me for my person never used consciously any unauthorized material for my tracks. i also don´t mind if anybody uses sample cds, if he changes these samples or leaves them in original condition. that´s what they are for. the rest ist the personal thing of the producer.
i do not want to hear threats or insults anymore. so i leave this thing here.
have a good time.
just to clear some stuff up here. my understanding is sven makes his tracks in a standalone sequencing package without the need for sample cd's. THAT's my understanding after one conversation with him three weeks ago. fair bloody play to him if this is the case.
i think what greg is saying is that he gets one loop from all types of sources sample cd's, the interent etc etc. he's found one particualr one whilst surfing, ie a loop from one of sven's tracks which he didn't realise was one of sven's track, stuck it in his hard drive and forgot about it. then he used it on a track of his without realising the need to change it. it came out and the shit hit the fan.
i reckon from what's been said here that greg and boris have learnt a big lesson from this. boris says he now uses recycle to chop up loops and greg has said he will never be getting his loops from the internet again. good. let's see what happens in the future.
but i think that a few of you haven't read the original situation properly here. to recap: sven had a go at skull tunes for taking a loop of his. which they did. which they've admit. if i'm right about the way sven produces, this would have been a totally original loop. fair play. he was right to have a go. now the situation is resolved. good.
but as far at the other tracks - the submissions sample etc etc.... it wasn't the other artists eg patrick and glenn etc that were making a fuss about this. to the best of my knowledge, none of these artists who used these same 'clean' loops from sample cds have ever turned around and accused skull of nicking their loops. it was everyone else who came to the wrong conclusion!
it's just been a huge lesson in creativity. one which i hope we all take note of to improve the genre. :D
just one last question to greg or boris.
you guys said you didn´t know it was sven´s loop, right, but you had that specific track "Psycho shock" on your charts right?
triple x ... the only and last thing i say to that: the issue is cleared with sven! i think that's enough!!
over and out.
we have done enough statements!
greetings,
boris
Whew! I've just read this topic from start to finish and it's been enlightening to say the very least.
It's certainly cleared up some of the mystery of tunes production as far as I'm concerned.
When I first started mucking around with making music I used loads of samples (from CD's not other tracks). I'd try my hardest to "disguise" them using plug-ins, eq-ing, and chaning the start-end points.
A while down the line I discovered vst instruments and started to add my own sections on top of my loops, but I still felt that my aim was to eventually sequence whole tracks without loops, which I eventually managed.
My understanding was that this was how 99% of tracks would have been produced. I can now see that this is how a number of people on here feel it should be.
I thought I was "cheating" by using loops and trying to "hide" them in fx and eq, but I think Mark's points about making loops your own are valid, and it has made me rethink my position on some of my previous tracks.
Now I can understand that you could give the same samples I used in those tracks to many people and no one would have come up with the same track I did, so in that sense my track were original.
I'd have to say that as far as the discussion here goes I think mangling samples and "making them your own" is just as valid as designing original loops, it's just a different route to an end product.
I don't think any method is cheating. Ultimately the only thing that matters is what comes out at the end - the music. It just happens that some methods seem to consistently produce very low quality music, and as has been illustrated here, some methods can show people up as unimaginative and unoriginal in their thought processes.Quote:
Originally Posted by daviec
i really respect what you said man on the skull tunes post...
you're obviously very passionate, but also very ****in diplomatic
how then does one police a forum? it's driving me mad. the last thing i want to be responsible for is ****in someone's life up on a stupid forum. i love this place, i created it, but it obviously holds too many -veity's and i'm not too keen on this at the moment.
please give me your thoughts man....
And where can I get to hear some of yours Miro ? You keep mentioning things like abstract minimalism, Reich and you talk about recording your own noises and sounds which really interests me.Very intriguing. Sounds right up my street. 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by miromiric
Irony...I was going to post a question in the "Techno Production" forum about whether or not people used sampled drum sounds...the individual sounds...in there production, or whether people made new, fairly one-of-a-kind drum/percussion sounds from a synth(s).
Now I see this debate about using entire pre-made loops in tracks.
This discussion has certaily change my understanding of electronic music production. Maybe I am naive, but I thought we were all creating our own sounds...our own mark.
Again with the disclaimer, I'm down with using samples, but not to the point of calling them a track of your own.
On Spinwarp, a Dnb forum, you can read tutorials about how to create any drum sound you want from a fairly simple synth. I thought everyone was doing this, at least to some extent.
I don't have a "label", nor do I produce for a label, so I don't fully understand the industry, but when all of you do here what I'm make'n, you will hear my stuff, and not other peoples work/loops, liscense free or otherwise.
No offense to anyone, just my belief.
I think I'll hold off on the question of whether people make their own percussion with synths, or use sampled kicks, snares, toms, etc.
fair enough professor. i look forward to hearing your stuff mate :)