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Originally Posted by *muci*
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nobody denied that.....Quote:
Originally Posted by *muci*
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Originally Posted by jonnyspeed
did i understand that wrong??
But you're saying you need something new? Schranz isn't new anymore and has run its course just as quick if not quicker than Beyer, Umek or any of those guys did with their stuff. This difference with Beyer and co. is that they branched out and made other styles, as the hard as nails stuff wasn't as interesting for them to stick at full time.. not to mention them having an ambition to be known as more than just hard techno producers. As for the Chris McCormack association I think that's a bit off, he's one producer who virtually always manages to turn up with something new and gobsmacking. And Chris Liebing? well, fair enough people have mixed opinions on what he's at these days but for **** sake he is the single most important influence on all of your Schranz scene, there is absolutely no doubting that... kind of strange the way you now diss him?Quote:
Originally Posted by HardtraX
Btw. I am a fan of the Schranz sound but it's been released to beat the band, and hasn't really shown any signs of variation. Many hardcore fans of this stuff are now looking for a change, something with more depth. I admire the dedication that many of the Schranz producers have but all the dedication in the world isn't worth a shit if it's 20-30 producers all trying to sound like one another.. Granted there's a few exceptions to this but not many.
no actually not, but that the exception i was talking about ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by *muci*
what an absolutely unproductive thing to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyspeed
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Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
totally ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MARK EG
i believe liebing is the one who coined the phrase "schranz" to begin with...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
Yeah he is, which makes it odd to see people within the Schranz scene slagging him off ?Quote:
Originally Posted by h.a.r.d.s.i.g.n.a.l
man, one artist/label who I say their production/pressing is rubbish, based on actually listening to their tunes and being disappointed it had to go into the 'no thanks' pile, and I get abuse.
I also qualified the 1 euro comment by saying I would happily pay full import price if it was clear and punchy - not if you could write tunes.
And I buy stuff out of Germany that is nowhere near as dulled and fuzzed as Combat Skill.
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Originally Posted by jonnyspeed
i dont see any problem, if you dont like my records, you dont need to buy it ;)
but your reason is stupid! I released only one fuzzed track (by Frank Kvitta),
but this was the style of this track :rambo:
Ah who cares which camp has advanced more. Both schranz and tribal techno haven't progressed in a couple years anyway. If you really want to hear some crazy shit going on right now, start digging through the minimal records. There are records coming out that are harder than any of the Glenn Wilson type stuff at about 5 bpm less and about 50 layers less. Less is more.
Hmmm, this is getting a little too much like a slagging match.
I think a safe conclusion to make from all this is.....
A lot of peeps are seeing some stagnation within the hard techno/schranz/distorted techno scene.
Some of the producers are getting (understandably) defensive, but don`t seem to be picking anything up from this.
So we can all learn from this.
I made an effort and listened to a crate load of schranz and found some bits of gold in there.
But the producers can learn by developing their style away from kick-locked obvious production.
I have to give Ocram credit.
His approach has been the most humble despite the slagging, he sits back and laughs because whether it's my taste, your taste, or his taste, It's selling. And at the end of the day he has achieved something that obviously people are enjoying. Yes that one track was static laden. No Me personally I don't prefer that type of techno, but it's selling and at this point I cannot fight that.
But what would make clear is that we respect each other here, as much as I may agree or disagree with peoples points we are not here to bash each other. I can imagine as a producer how I would feel if a random punter downgraded my art. I don't bash people but sway them in a better direction to try to help them progress. But bashing is not necessary or wanted here.
Well actually I am going to ask a question that I don't think is uncalled for.. why are the Combat Skill records just in a paper sleeve?Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
Personally I haven't found CSK to be cut as poorly as what some people have said, however it's obvious that it could be a little better.. this could be down to the problem Amok mentioned about the excess manufacturing costs perhaps? But is the lack of a cover also attributed to this same reason or what? There should be some basic standard that is expected of labels, and with the excess price of records these days to the punter I'm not surprised how some may react at being offered a product that is quite simply not up to scratch or incomplete. The gripes regarding the sound quality and now my one regarding the sleeve are ones I feel Ocram should explain, I like to see that he doesn't seem to have taken much offence to the negative comments regarding the records, but brushing off questions or advice completely could be foolish in my opinion...
you know, i made this topic so we could all talk about it and perhaps reach some really cool conclusions that helps the hard techno scene. the majority of ppl have been great - saying their piece and being totally mature and responsible about the situation. some however have not. their responses have been noted. a huge part of the rules of this board is respect for other members. don't worry, i've noted down who's not been respectful and if they do it again i'll have to do something about it.
anyway let's get back on with the matter in hand. ocram, nice 1 for being cool about this. i'm not slaggin your releases - some other members took the initiative on that :evil: - i play your stuff. but yeah specifically that a1 track by kvitta. i was surprised you put it on the a1. and that i think is what started the alarm bells ringing in my head. if you don't mind me asking why was it the a1? is that sort of thing really going down in germany at the mo? and why? and where?
Like MARK EG said, this topic was open that ppl would get somewhere with good constructive oppinions, to support not bash. Good said there, SummerOfSam. :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
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Originally Posted by Sunil
as the CSK records were flying lots around my head these last weeks didn't see one in just a paper sleeve.
greetz
cant see what difference it make what sleeve they are in. its the record your spinning after all. the rest is just fluff