Dub step.

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Originally Posted by C.O.Prodigy

check out this one MITA posted slav... I liked

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cheers for the link, but i can't get into it. not going to write off the whole genre though, mind you, just at this point the whole "dark garage" thing doesn't do it for me.

now...i say this to stimulate discussion, not to troll, so no one get offended, but is it possible that the current enthusiasm for dubstep has more to do with the staleness of techno and a thirst for something new and vital than the inherent amazingness of dubstep?

just a thought...no one kill me...i fully recognize i have only limited exposure to dubstep and acknowledge that i could be 100% off-base :)

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Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

cheers for the link, but i can't get into it. not going to write off the whole genre though, mind you, just at this point the whole "dark garage" thing doesn't do it for me.

now...i say this to stimulate discussion, not to troll, so no one get offended, but is it possible that the current enthusiasm for dubstep has more to do with the staleness of techno and a thirst for something new and vital than the inherent amazingness of dubstep?

just a thought...no one kill me...i fully recognize i have only limited exposure to dubstep and acknowledge that i could be 100% off-base :)

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Ok but when you say techno .. what comes to mind?

To me, artists that come to mind are : James Ruskin, Go Hiyama, Luka Baumann, Grovskopa, Dirty_Bass, Speedy J, Jeroen Liebregts, Reeko, Inigo Kennedy, Surgeon, CYP, rednox, Makaton, Regis, Female.... both for mixes and tracks... Now for these artists I wouldn't say that they exude staleness, quite on the on the contrary. I'm not always inclined to listen to these kind of sounds 24/7 like I used to, but they are my go to guys when I fell the urge to go nuts...

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Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

now...i say this to stimulate discussion, not to troll, so no one get offended, but is it possible that the current enthusiasm for dubstep has more to do with the staleness of techno and a thirst for something new and vital than the inherent amazingness of dubstep?

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oh you big troll!

Dubstep has nothing got to do with the staleness of techno. People just enjoy it & are digging it the same way people dug techno & d'n'b when it was new. The production values in the early stuff was really really amazing (Loefah, Toasty, Hotflush Records, Vex'd, DMZ etc). Really top notch stuff. These guys are bass enthusiasts. Now there are tons of imitators who dont really have the same kind of standards, some producing crap music & some producing excellent music, which is making it hard to find the good stuff. But it was always the same situation with techno. C'mon there must be at least 3000 techno labels out there. All this talk about hype and bandwagon jumping is funny. We ALL jumped onto the techno bandwagon at some stage. If Surgeon hadnt jumped on the techno bandwagon in the mid ninties , well we wouldnt have had surgeon would we etc etc.

@ Shiva & RDR. Its a personal thing with the abelton v vinyl . But dont let that stop you. You wouldnt be able to make a mix like that with a set of decks & I still really enjoyed it. Keep mashing up the styles girlfriend! :)

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Originally Posted by djshiva

i didn't really read massplanck's comment as a dig either, for the record.

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Ah, I see what you did there...

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Originally Posted by RDR

You really do have achip on your shoulder about this whole vinyl vs digital thing dont you man.

Why?

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And you take it very personal when I talk about my preference for vinyl over digital formats. Why? Because I grew up listening to it, touching it and I love the sound of it & the bass is fatter and the highs are not as harsh. Sure its more expensive. But I love music & have not problems shelling out to have it in my hand. Vinyl definately moves me more emotionally. I cant describe it, but it has also go to do with the social aspect of it. If I am an abelton DJ how easy it for my mates to call around and have a mess with my setup? Also I stare at a computer screen all day at work. I dont like doing that for another 8 hours when I get home. etc etc

Would I be talking out my ass if i said that most producers on this site would reather have their music pressed to wax? But on the flip side how many of them buy wax? Nothing has changed for me. I'm still buying records. The digital age has given me the power to hear a hell of a lot of stuff I would never have heard before & listen to a track several times over before making that crucial decision to spend 10 euros. The days of walking into a record shop on payday and handing over a hundred quid to buy the ten latest bangers are over. Now I can have anything I ever wanted on vinyl. And Its thanks to the digital age that has enabled this.

I still ENJOY the music from digtal labels. I dont dismiss the music because of the format its on but I do have a preference.

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Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

not really for me. reminds me of late 90s ed rush or trace records at half speed.

still open minded though...more?

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http://virusb-23.co.uk/content/view/48/62/

http://virusb-23.co.uk/content/view/105/62/

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Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

now...i say this to stimulate discussion, not to troll, so no one get offended, but is it possible that the current enthusiasm for dubstep has more to do with the staleness of techno and a thirst for something new and vital than the inherent amazingness of dubstep?

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For me, the best Techno has always gone around the houses and incorporated wildly different sounds.

Basic Channel brought dub into the mix. Tim Wright brought in two-step rhythms. CJ Bolland flirts with trance. T Raumschmiere has a punk edge. You can pull all of these elements and more into a Techno mix and create something cohesive, varied and unique all at the same time.

Dubstep is just another element for this.

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Originally Posted by massplanck

Dubstep has nothing got to do with the staleness of techno. People just enjoy it & are digging it the same way people dug techno & d'n'b when it was new. The production values in the early stuff was really really amazing (Loefah, Toasty, Hotflush Records, Vex'd, DMZ etc). Really top notch stuff. These guys are bass enthusiasts. Now there are tons of imitators who dont really have the same kind of standards, some producing crap music & some producing excellent music, which is making it hard to find the good stuff. But it was always the same situation with techno. C'mon there must be at least 3000 techno labels out there. All this talk about hype and bandwagon jumping is funny. We ALL jumped onto the techno bandwagon at some stage. If Surgeon hadnt jumped on the techno bandwagon in the mid ninties , well we wouldnt have had surgeon would we etc etc.

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of course it doesn't, but i was talking about the enthusiasm for it among techno heads. or maybe it has nothing to do with it. :)

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Originally Posted by massplanck

And you take it very personal when I talk about my preference for vinyl over digital formats. Why? Because I grew up listening to it, touching it and I love the sound of it & the bass is fatter and the highs are not as harsh. Sure its more expensive. But I love music & have not problems shelling out to have it in my hand. Vinyl definately moves me more emotionally. I cant describe it, but it has also go to do with the social aspect of it. If I am an abelton DJ how easy it for my mates to call around and have a mess with my setup? Also I stare at a computer screen all day at work. I dont like doing that for another 8 hours when I get home. etc etc

Would I be talking out my ass if i said that most producers on this site would reather have their music pressed to wax? But on the flip side how many of them buy wax? Nothing has changed for me. I'm still buying records. The digital age has given me the power to hear a hell of a lot of stuff I would never have heard before & listen to a track several times over before making that crucial decision to spend 10 euros. The days of walking into a record shop on payday and handing over a hundred quid to buy the ten latest bangers are over. Now I can have anything I ever wanted on vinyl. And Its thanks to the digital age that has enabled this.

I still ENJOY the music from digtal labels. I dont dismiss the music because of the format its on but I do have a preference.

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Good comment chief :)

Fair enough I understand now.

The whole digital debate is very interesting for dubstep, because like D&B it's a primarily dubplate-based culture. Though on the other hand many of the key players fully embrace digital technology (CD decks and Ableton).

In fact, last time I saw Digital Mystikz they played a pretty much 100% CD set.

I think for me, i like the stuff because the bass truly excites me. you see, i want to make really good techno and what im doing at the moment is listening to other stuff to avoid tunnel vision and any stagnation that i may run into while producing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcc7504i8gM - Starkey - Prism / Starksound 2 dub | 432hz

Look how the genre devolved.

Christ.... Skrillex?

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Originally Posted by DannyBlack

Look how the genre devolved.

Christ.... Skrillex?

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lol . . . it always was heading that way frot he start it was pretentious bollocks with no real identity waiting to be commercialised.