djing or lack of???

an offshoot of another thread.

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gumpy green wrote:
why the fuk do techno djs dont look at hiphop/turntablists to enhance thers???

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fitipaldi
You obviously don't listen to that much techno then mate, have a listen to the space djs for a start.

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space djs- like ive never heard them, ive even saw Jamie Bissmire live but never together and ther was nothing remotely turntablim in his set. Maybe it is you who hasent listened to enuf hiphop djs, that was my orig point. Thers not enuf techno djs studied other forms of djing and taking it to the next level, like we should, as were all forward thinkers, right?. If you think the space djz are anything near as skilled as the allies/isp/beat junkies then you need to study.

Whats other folks view on this.......leave hiphop skilz alone.....or try and encoperate them into our world?

i personally am one of the very few who choose to study the skracth etc and im getting bored with staight forward beatmatching styles...same old same old....

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I just wanna hear good tunes, there`s too many effects and scratching and arsing about these days.
Mainly cos of all the loopypoop that`s getting released.

i remember The Producer used to scratch it up in his sets with some real hard techno. As long as you don't go over board i think it can work quite well especially with the hard minimal techno he played- that is if you can do it.

what about getting a locked tone/bassline and playing a melody(by chaging the pitch) over a drum loop........

maybe even adding some delays to the drum loop to create and build your own breaks...(whilst playing the tone at the same time, obviosly).

it aint all skratching....ther 1million and 1 ways to flip techno.

Incorporate anything and everything to make it ssound good :) yes when a DJ is experimental and still keeps the floor moving it's another level altogether - truth is that these DJs are few and far between!

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Originally Posted by gumpy green

what about getting a locked tone/bassline and playing a melody(by chaging the pitch)

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I often do that, even without locked tones, just keep it low in the mix and cut the bass and hi's, can sound really good :) Also flicking between 45 & 33 and snapping to exact pitches in rhythm with the beat - this works well cos mathematically, so long as you're flicking between the same pitch points and keeping to the same rhythm, the track WILL kick back in time ;)

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

I just wanna hear good tunes, there`s too many effects and scratching and arsing about these days.
Mainly cos of all the loopypoop that`s getting released.

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Too true, and clubbers can't dance to a dj scratching it up on a deck.
I also hate the DJM 600 being used in clubs. The Dj's can't resist to use some of its stupid effects. It should be about the mixing and the music. Not look at me see what I can do. Leave that to the DMC championship where people go to see that.
Yes its impressive but not for a dance floor.

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Originally Posted by gumpy green

an offshoot of another thread.

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gumpy green wrote:
why the fuk do techno djs dont look at hiphop/turntablists to enhance thers???

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fitipaldi
You obviously don't listen to that much techno then mate, have a listen to the space djs for a start.

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space djs- like ive never heard them, ive even saw Jamie Bissmire live but never together and ther was nothing remotely turntablim in his set. Maybe it is you who hasent listened to enuf hiphop djs, that was my orig point. Thers not enuf techno djs studied other forms of djing and taking it to the next level, like we should, as were all forward thinkers, right?. If you think the space djz are anything near as skilled as the allies/isp/beat junkies then you need to study.

Whats other folks view on this.......leave hiphop skilz alone.....or try and encoperate them into our world?

i personally am one of the very few who choose to study the skracth etc and im getting bored with staight forward beatmatching styles...same old same old....

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how would he be scratchin in a live set, surly he doesn't have any records?

I see what you are saying although would you not say turntablism is an art in itself, not something you just spend years learning so you can throw it into a techno set everynow and again. Plus people often slate djs who go off on one with tricks for ages.

nice one schlongfingers...keep it up and infect everyone with the djing bug. ;)

been messin about with a locked tone and some beat stutter effects on the tone whilst havin an analogue hpf on the other channel...getting it quite sweet so far, i still gotta perfect it over the next couple of yrs tho.(check ma sig for a live version of this as my intro for a set, bad feeback welcomed)

Hiphop skillz are quite impressive, but it's a totally different style of mixing... And altho many DJ's use some tricks in their sets, it's nowhere near the skill of hiphop DJ's, takes too much training & besides.. I think it would be quite annoying to have some idiot scratch all the time. People like DC and Jamie Bizzmire (however you spell it) scratch quite good, but if they'd do it all the time I'd go crazy...

use every tool at your disposal..

but for all the cleverness of scratch djs (and it is VERY clever) i aint never seen one hold 2 trax together for a full 2 min mix..

they can cut & scratch but cant blend the way a techno jock can.

but then, its a different application of a different skill.

i would love to be able to beat juggle lock grooves the way Krush of Q-bert can, but its never gonna happen lol

go for it man, if ppl dont dig it, f**k em :rambo:

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Originally Posted by Stuart

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

I just wanna hear good tunes, there`s too many effects and scratching and arsing about these days.
Mainly cos of all the loopypoop that`s getting released.

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Too true, and clubbers can't dance to a dj scratching it up on a deck.
I also hate the DJM 600 being used in clubs. The Dj's can't resist to use some of its stupid effects. It should be about the mixing and the music. Not look at me see what I can do. Leave that to the DMC championship where people go to see that.
Yes its impressive but not for a dance floor.

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Good DJ's ofcourse distribute the level of scratches, FX etc. troughout their sets.... it doesn't have to be annoying (contradicting myself with the previous post) but yeah, it depends on the taste of the listener. I do tend to scratch sometimes, especially over breakdowns building up. Some people like it, other people think it destroys the effect of the record.

Same go for FX > I love sampling the break in the RAW R01 and **** up the vocal a lot while I take out the record already and kicking it back in when the "get fresh at the weekend" break starts coming back in, while scratching over it. Fits the dancefloor great, but think some DJ's would kill me if they had the chance ;)

yeh alot of folk seem to think that if you skratch over techno yer gonna do it for the whole set....bollocks......done well at the right time over the right beat, the crowd gets lifted, then you strat droppng the rolling beatz again and the party is DEFO lifetd for a bit.

about hiphop djs mixing......sure they dont do it as much but ive got tapes and some of the blending is really good....plus if ther mixin rap tracks the gotta be quick to mix the into with the outro(or lyrics will clash) so although they havent mixed for 2mins....they have to get that exact 30second spot on....can be tuff.

juggling locked grooves has so many posibliltes..... you have 4 counts on each record to arragne how you feel...maybe even start jugglin it on 3/4 sig....for 10-20 seconds then let it play...im sure the crowd would feel it and be lifted to the next level by it.....i for one would.....i go crazy when i see somein so creative getting flipped live.

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Originally Posted by Stuart

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

I just wanna hear good tunes, there`s too many effects and scratching and arsing about these days.
Mainly cos of all the loopypoop that`s getting released.

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Too true, and clubbers can't dance to a dj scratching it up on a deck.
I also hate the DJM 600 being used in clubs. The Dj's can't resist to use some of its stupid effects. It should be about the mixing and the music. Not look at me see what I can do. Leave that to the DMC championship where people go to see that.
Yes its impressive but not for a dance floor.

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thats bad use of tricks...not the tricks themselves.......dont let yourselve slip into it cant be done mentality........then shit really STAGNATES.

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Originally Posted by gumpy green

juggling locked grooves has so many posibliltes..... you have 4 counts on each record to arragne how you feel...maybe even start jugglin it on 3/4 sig....for 10-20 seconds then let it play...im sure the crowd would feel it and be lifted to the next level by it.....i for one would.....i go crazy when i see somein so creative getting flipped live.

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True, I'd love to be able to do that.... :clap: But guess I'll need another 10 years of experience to get that a 100% right... And with techno you have to be more accurate then with hiphop, coz the music is faster so you hear mistakes faster & the crowd will stop dancing if you keep dropping the groove in out of sync :twisted:

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Originally Posted by Rydel

True, I'd love to be able to do that.... :clap: But guess I'll need another 10 years of experience to get that a 100% right... And with techno you have to be more accurate then with hiphop, coz the music is faster so you hear mistakes faster & the crowd will stop dancing if you keep dropping the groove in out of sync :twisted:

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practice and 'onest 'ard work will get you ther.....u think qbert hasent stood for hrs an hrs practicing the same record movement over and over till he could nail it....bit hard work is whats needed in any art form to progress it. No more practice and youll just stay at about the same level for ever...

and yeh ther would be no point in doing it if you were gonna drop the groove and spoil everything, that why you gotta practice till you CAN nail it, without even thinking about it......no point of trying summin you cant do and making a noise.

I've seen DJ Kentaro do scratch-techno by beat juggling & scratching with two Tortured records. That was quite impressive. His set kind of killed the atmosphere that had been built up though, because everyone stopped dancing and stood around to watch him.

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Originally Posted by TechMouse

I've seen DJ Kentaro do scratch-techno by beat juggling & scratching with two Tortured records. That was quite impressive. His set kind of killed the atmosphere that had been built up though, because everyone stopped dancing and stood around to watch him.

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woudnt mind seeing this........any online links to it.?

what im saying tho is incoperate these skills into a flowing set that the crowd can dance to..

like a break in the track....not many flok are mooving much here but when it comes back in they are(and usually with more nrg)....apply that theory to yer tricks

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Originally Posted by gumpy green

No more practice and youll just stay at about the same level for ever...

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Ofcourse I practise ;) with a vengeance even! :rambo: Till I beat Q-bert :roll:

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Originally Posted by TechMouse

I've seen DJ Kentaro do scratch-techno by beat juggling & scratching with two Tortured records. That was quite impressive. His set kind of killed the atmosphere that had been built up though, because everyone stopped dancing and stood around to watch him.

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Must 've been really impressive then (or horribly wrong) Never seen it tho

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Originally Posted by gumpy green

woudnt mind seeing this........any online links to it.?

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There's a 40 minute Kentaro mix in this radio show, but I don't know how Techno it is because I don't have RealPlayer.

His skills are, frankly, frightening.

There's some video here.

Shame it's an old site :cry: But a DMC winner... always amazing to see in action.

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

I just wanna hear good tunes, there`s too many effects and scratching and arsing about these days.
Mainly cos of all the loopypoop that`s getting released.

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Too true, and clubbers can't dance to a dj scratching it up on a deck.
I also hate the DJM 600 being used in clubs. The Dj's can't resist to use some of its stupid effects. It should be about the mixing and the music. Not look at me see what I can do. Leave that to the DMC championship where people go to see that.
Yes its impressive but not for a dance floor.

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thats bad use of tricks...not the tricks themselves.......dont let yourselve slip into it cant be done mentality........then shit really STAGNATES.

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I know people that can scratch and do some great stuff with techno.

When it goes wrong it sounds awful and the Luke SLater cd is a great example of that.

well grumpy, like i said, different applications for different music i guess..

but i'll say this. when i wa resident at the Brunswick in belfast, they had a hip hop floor with the best hip hop jox in the world. and for all the cutting & jugglin & scratchin, Noize was the only dj who could actually 'mix' records.. everyone else, and i mean EVERYONE, jus scratched a phrase 7 threw it..

and so many hip hop djs look down on club/techno jox. they gotta get that attitude in check..

grumpy: i think they meant ben long not bissmire, although ive never seen bissmire play, ben long on both the occasions ive sen him play is very tuntabltastic. lots of scratching, cuts, and general vinyl manipulation.

i hate this total debate. i like a blend of it all. i love a smooth purist mix. no hitches just a smooth set.

on the other hand i also love a dj to do tricks, not all night, but i love to see a dj work the crowd with tricks.

if its not done well, or to fequently tho it can go tits up.

but all in all i think a blend is best. if everyone mashed it up or did smooth mixes there would be no variety.

as grandma used to say "variety is the spice of life, now **** off and go get me haemeroid cream. my piles are feeling sore and your delicate fingers will do the trick!"

I believe every dj should develop his own style that suits him best. if all would use the same technique, now that would be boring..

ex hiphop djs/b-boys are I guess best at turntablism.. I've seen some videos of Simon Underground cutting and scratching hardcore records, great performance..

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Originally Posted by koma

I believe every dj should develop his own style that suits him best. if all would use the same technique, now that would be boring..

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Incorparate whatever you can in to your sets as long as the music and flow comes first.

I didn't read the inital post..sorry.

here is my two cents though...

If you're going to mix records, mix them. Don't just slam from track to track. If you mix techno as I do, mix it for a very long time. The longer the better for the transition. Usually atleast 1/3 of the record minimum...

any type of djing is about making the right sound at the right time.

what sound that is will depend on the context of the other sounds you've already played. i think that "tricks" sound much better when properly setup. ie, set the stage, or foreshadow what you are going to do, build anticipation, then deliver the goods, give them a bit of time to appreciate what you just did, then move on to the next idea.

but trick after trick gets boring and takes away from the music.

good points folks.....im with yaz ..a good clean mix with the odd trick thrown in to highting the set......
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and so many hip hop djs look down on club/techno jox. they gotta get that attitude in check.

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i suppose i can be a bit like that sometimes, not saying a dont appreciate the difference in styles, its just that just id like to see a bit more turntablism creeping into techno sets.... and sometimes i like to wind up non skratchers ;)

gotta be shovin the skratch down on tha board tho......gotta get at least one of yaz converted... ;)

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Originally Posted by messanger

I didn't read the inital post..sorry.

here is my two cents though...

If you're going to mix records, mix them. Don't just slam from track to track. If you mix techno as I do, mix it for a very long time. The longer the better for the transition. Usually atleast 1/3 of the record minimum...

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I think that depends on the track. Loopy tracks back to back can sound very long and drawn out if you don't mix them quickly. Some tracks are full and therefore sound better when blended w/ another track for a certain amount of time. In "my" opinion, it really depends on what mood you're trying to create, what picture you're painting, or where you're going in your set. Sometimes I'll play a very small part of a track just for a certain sound, pull it out, drop something else, then later on go back to that same track just to play it in it's entirety.

Flying through four or five tracks w/out playing the break, can build a peak in your set. Then when you play the right track with a wicked break, you get the crowd eatin' out of your hands for the rest of the night.

well i just hate scratching on techno. 99% of the time it just doesn't go (perhaps someone should create a form of techno where it DOES work ;)) i've never learnt how to scratch, even in the electro days in the 80's I just wasnt interested. personally, i love to watch a DMC video with someone scratching to hip hop or electro (HOW talented is it all eh??!!!!). i love hearing jamie and ben cuase they're different, i love producer doing his thing, but nothing (for me) beats a well mixed set, with personality... where the DJ is using EQ to its full extent to truly mix trax together and cutting the fader out at precisely the right moments. when i'm djing dont' see the need for 'tricks' but i do see the need for 'smooth mixing, plus you're own character, that is gonna be different than the next man'. so you could call that a trick in itself. your own personal trick :clap:

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Originally Posted by MARK EG

well i just hate scratching on techno. 99% of the time it just doesn't go (perhaps someone should create a form of techno where it DOES work ;)) i've never learnt how to scratch, even in the electro days in the 80's I just wasnt interested. personally, i love to watch a DMC video with someone scratching to hip hop or electro (HOW talented is it all eh??!!!!). i love hearing jamie and ben cuase they're different, i love producer doing his thing, but nothing (for me) beats a well mixed set, with personality... where the DJ is using EQ to its full extent to truly mix trax together and cutting the fader out at precisely the right moments. when i'm djing dont' see the need for 'tricks' but i do see the need for 'smooth mixing, plus you're own character, that is gonna be different than the next man'. so you could call that a trick in itself. your own personal trick :clap:

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jesus christ mark is that wot you call it character in ya sets :lol: your a mentalist it is a fact ;) fairplay to ya 100% every time ;)

as for jamie and ben kick ass and im still playing the last djz on earth cd i love it. guarantee its in the car on route to a venue pumps you up like a mutha fukka!

by the way ben and jamie if you see this post let us no if there are any more space djz cd complation coming. :rambo:
or where i can download any recorded sets if possible cheers. :clap:

Just play good records. Don't have to f*ck about.

Its all about scratching minimal on the bass drum before a drop.
F*ck your wakka wakka wakka sh*te. Nobs.

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Originally Posted by ncw

Just play good records. Don't have to f*ck about.

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thats the attitude of someone not interested in the art of djing......fair play if your not into djing but for me a bit turntablism in techno sets would work wonders in our scene and could only be a good thing.

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Originally Posted by ncw

Its all about scratching minimal on the bass drum before a drop.
F*ck your wakka wakka wakka sh*te. Nobs.

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such a nice post.

i aint gonna call you a nob for not cutting........that attitude sucks but lets not get into a slaggin match.......you stay in the 80's, ill be the first to show yaz what im on about...... ;)

ill set the example.

DO IT, DO IT, DO IT.....

for me, good tricks/scratches executed properly make a set for me when out clubbing etc...the sets i used to listen to bak in the day where always from guys who totally went for it, just made it more interesting for me...tiz why i always go bennie for a good sekonzo set....not so many tricks etc in my own sets for the simple fact i dont have that many under me belt, but feel ive got this smoothness down so deffo wanna try and get into more technical stuff, find it hard to get into the whole practise one move for hours and not wanting to just "mix" for hours on end....

right has anyone here ever seen a umek demonstration ? well i have in estern block records manchester a few year ago. im telling ya. 4 decks doing stuff you only dream of. he ripped the whole shop appart after a all night gig at the music box, cuts double scratch dropings and sum mad stuff with his hands with 4 decks that blew my head off! ( now thats techno turntablism.....also christian varelea another it seems there more of these kinda djs abroad mabey we just lazy bastards in this country and want it easy play sum records on 2 decks or ya lap top or ya cdj`s wot ever is least effort collect ya cash **** off! lazyness its called. ;)

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right has anyone here ever seen a umek demonstration ? well i have in estern block records manchester a few year ago. im telling ya. 4 decks doing stuff you only dream of. he ripped the whole shop appart after a all night gig at the music box, cuts double scratch dropings and sum mad stuff with his hands with 4 decks that blew my head off! ( now thats techno turntablism.....also christian varelea another it seems there more of these kinda djs abroad mabey we just lazy bastards in this country and want it easy play sum records on 2 decks or ya lap top or ya cdj`s wot ever is least effort collect ya cash **** off! lazyness its called. ;)

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aye lazyness on some folk parts......an folk on here are always saying how techno is about pushing shit forward.....its not just the hardware and software shit that needs pushed.....i mean i could name a few djs thet havent progressed much in 5 yrs....ask yourselve this- have you? if not then start working on it, if yes....BIGUPS.

yup its just soo easy to just let the records do the work for you.....totally agree with ya ther.....id rather see folk useing the records as tools...

also- if umek is doing all this crazy stuff , how come when i saw him it was pretty standard stuff, with the odd cutter/transform fx thrown in..
is it the case that that theyll go for it in bedrooms etc but wont do it live?..if so, that needs looking into too......

id be interested to hear a umek set if he does this stuff cos ive a couple(not much) and i never spotted any of this going down......

i wish to be prooved wrong.....i so wanna be wrong......would luv to see it

I think the sound of a record being played backwards and forwards relatively quickly in time to the music is not exactly progression.
It`s ooooooooooold shit.
Not exactly a new sound is it.
Heard one scratch, heard em all.
there is so much more you can do with technology.
I think the whole turntablism is more about Ego than music.
A DJ is there to play the music that the people wanna hear, and make it a little exciting to enhance the dance ambience.
Wanking off endlessly over a record to say "hey, look at me, I`m great" , can be tiresome.
Good music is first and foremost, the most important thing.
Unfortunately, too many DJ`s are making music, well, loops, and this is sooo boring the only way to make it interesting is to do shit over the top of it.

last 2 times i heard Umek he was killing the music with bunch of fx's..

but in 2001. when I saw him live he was great.. plus much better selection of music than today (IMO)

cristian varela, yeah.. some amazing mixes from him can be found on net..

anybody heard Headroom live on 6 decks?

ps. the number of turntables doesnt really matter to me.. dj with some knowledge can create magic even on just two..

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

I think the sound of a record being played backwards and forwards relatively quickly in time to the music is not exactly progression.
It`s ooooooooooold shit.
Not exactly a new sound is it.
Heard one scratch, heard em all.
there is so much more you can do with technology.
I think the whole turntablism is more about Ego than music.
A DJ is there to play the music that the people wanna hear, and make it a little exciting to enhance the dance ambience.
Wanking off endlessly over a record to say "hey, look at me, I`m great" , can be tiresome.
Good music is first and foremost, the most important thing.
Unfortunately, too many DJ`s are making music, well, loops, and this is sooo boring the only way to make it interesting is to do shit over the top of it.

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skraching is only a little older than techno, no doubt, so i totally disagre with ya on the first point....you can cut ANY sample in infinate no of ways so it can always be flipped differnent.....ive got records made entilry from skracthing samples....and in no way do the sound the same...the drummin is differnet from the bassline i assure you.

my dad says the same about techno- it all sounds the same.....its maybe he just dont understand it...maybe you havent looked deep enuf into turntablism.....

i dont think you can say - "there is so much more you can do with technology."..ther are infinate possiblities with each...

turntablism=ego.... lol..... just look at flare, hes one of the best in skratchers and doesnt even perform(only time you hear him is in bedrooms etc), and if you were into turntabism you would see that very little have ego's...they do it for the luv.

Wanking off endlessly over a record to say "hey, look at me, I`m great" , can be tiresome. yup totally, but flippin it so it sounds differnent(in a good way) maybe once every 4 tracks for the period of a break wouldnt......

yup ther are alot of loops comin out but they have ther uses.......and i do agree ther need to be a little more thought going into alot of folks work.....its just as nice to hear a well made SONG.

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last 2 times i heard Umek he was killing the music with bunch of fx's..

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Thats Basically what dave clarke does with the djm 600 which pisses me off.

Hes a great dj but I hate the efx that are contiually used on each track, he now rarely mixes just ends up with a loop from the current record and then brings the next one in on efx.

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Originally Posted by jon connor

right has anyone here ever seen a umek demonstration ? well i have in estern block records manchester a few year ago. im telling ya. 4 decks doing stuff you only dream of. he ripped the whole shop appart after a all night gig at the music box, cuts double scratch dropings and sum mad stuff with his hands with 4 decks that blew my head off! ( now thats techno turntablism.....also christian varelea another it seems there more of these kinda djs abroad mabey we just lazy bastards in this country and want it easy play sum records on 2 decks or ya lap top or ya cdj`s wot ever is least effort collect ya cash **** off! lazyness its called. ;)

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aye lazyness on some folk parts......an folk on here are always saying how techno is about pushing shit forward.....its not just the hardware and software shit that needs pushed.....i mean i could name a few djs thet havent progressed much in 5 yrs....ask yourselve this- have you? if not then start working on it, if yes....BIGUPS.

yup its just soo easy to just let the records do the work for you.....totally agree with ya ther.....id rather see folk useing the records as tools...

also- if umek is doing all this crazy stuff , how come when i saw him it was pretty standard stuff, with the odd cutter/transform fx thrown in..
is it the case that that theyll go for it in bedrooms etc but wont do it live?..if so, that needs looking into too......

id be interested to hear a umek set if he does this stuff cos ive a couple(not much) and i never spotted any of this going down......

i wish to be prooved wrong.....i so wanna be wrong......would luv to see it

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yea grumpy i aint heard much action when on in events much ....but as mark explains in post above we tend to mix quite diffrent wen live on the turntables its like a play safe game. wen you got the dance floor flying it seems silly to start messing about. personaly i think umek has no need to deliver his skills and tricks no more due to the fact of his now popular superstar status, but trust me geeza if you ever see him do it will blow you away. dave clarke another now this comes back to marks point again. yes dave blew me away but i found wen at a gig in cardiff with him a few year ago his decks and turntable work was exellent but i found the crowd dident no wot to do with them selves on the dance floor.there was no flow he did a kinda djs dj set. it was great for me to watch and learn but i also learnt it disruppted the crowd sending them into confusion and no general flow in the club.
i think the main thing is to have overall control and general individuality in the set there are many tricks and stuff i do myself but i tend to cut them down wen on a more profesional gig, rather than lets say a free party.

there was a great demonstration on here a while back of dj ogi its a good techno demonstration keeping things simple and overall control .

Dj Ogi live in club Boogaloo part I
Dj Ogi live in club Boogaloo part II
Dj Ogi live in club Boogaloo part III
Dj Ogi live in club Boogaloo part IV

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skraching is only a little older than techno, no doubt, so i totally disagre with ya on the first point....you can cut ANY sample in infinate no of ways so it can always be flipped differnent.....ive got records made entilry from skracthing samples....and in no way do the sound the same...the drummin is differnet from the bassline i assure you.

my dad says the same about techno- it all sounds the same.....its maybe he just dont understand it...maybe you havent looked deep enuf into turntablism.....

i dont think you can say - "there is so much more you can do with technology."..ther are infinate possiblities with each...

turntablism=ego.... lol..... just look at flare, hes one of the best in skratchers and doesnt even perform(only time you hear him is in bedrooms etc), and if you were into turntabism you would see that very little have ego's...they do it for the luv.

Wanking off endlessly over a record to say "hey, look at me, I`m great" , can be tiresome. yup totally, but flippin it so it sounds differnent(in a good way) maybe once every 4 tracks for the period of a break wouldnt......

yup ther are alot of loops comin out but they have ther uses.......and i do agree ther need to be a little more thought going into alot of folks work.....its just as nice to hear a well made SONG.

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Well, I grew up through turntablism, but that was years ago, I like the Invisible Scratch Pickles a bit at the mo, and most of the crew I was with during the early hardcore/jungle years, were proper funkateers.

But it`s just old to me. Im not saying it`s a bad thing, but I really don`t think it goes with techno.
If it did, there would be more producers programming scratching into their tracks.
I think it sounds cheesy.

I think what you are doing on the decks is pretty cool, but any more would be overdoing it.

And as for turntablists not being egotistical. I think ALL Djing is to a certain level, ego driven.
I mean, how the hell did glorified juke-boxes get to such an elevated level in this day an age?
All we are doing is playing other peoples music, and finally the hype of the 90`s is slowly going away. Lets not overblow what it is.

woooooooooooooo!!! sorry guys links no longer in action. :doh:

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

Well, I grew up through turntablism, but that was years ago, I like the Invisible Scratch Pickles a bit at the mo, and most of the crew I was with during the early hardcore/jungle years, were proper funkateers.

But it`s just old to me. Im not saying it`s a bad thing, but I really don`t think it goes with techno.
If it did, there would be more producers programming scratching into their tracks.
I think it sounds cheesy.

I think what you are doing on the decks is pretty cool, but any more would be overdoing it.

And as for turntablists not being egotistical. I think ALL Djing is to a certain level, ego driven.
I mean, how the hell did glorified juke-boxes get to such an elevated level in this day an age?
All we are doing is playing other peoples music, and finally the hype of the 90`s is slowly going away. Lets not overblow what it is.

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good debate man..

yup, i agree that cutting over most techno does sound shite.....well just REALLY hard to make it sound good....i struggle to do it.... thats why i usually drop a hiphop/hardtek/noize track to do it over and only do it when i think the crowd need a min rest....oh and yes skratch vocal etc over techno tracks sound cheesy, starts to sound like hard hoose.

thanks about my djing.....i plan on doing more tricks but wanna make em sound cleaner so it does sound like less........more is less ;) . Hopefully juggle two looked groove but the listener wouldnt even know unless they saw......would just sound like a remix or whatever loop.

Ego- a bit.....id be lying if i didnt say i like the fact im up ther.....but i still would do it even if i never left the house....i honestly luv djing so much....its my passion...b4 techno.

An yup how the fuk do they get away with " glorified juke-boxes @ such an elevated level in this day an age?"...totally agree, it needs to stop.

yeah, was a good debate.
you certianly know your stuff anyway, I`m sure whatever you do will work, cos you got your feet on the ground.
There are however a lot of eedjits out there who may just wank themselves off a bit too far.

As for coming up with Seb, unfortunately, I got bookings that weekend so I can`t come party with you boys (which I was looking forward to).
But I may be able to come up with Jeff.