Italian DJ fined 1.4m Euros for playing mp3's in clubs

ROME (Reuters) - An Italian DJ has been fined a record 1.4 million euros ($1.8
million) for using thousands of pirate music files in a nightclub near Rome,
police said on Wednesday.
Police in the town of Rieti, near Rome, said they raided a popular nightclub
earlier this week as part of a crackdown on piracy and seized 500 illegally
copied music videos and more than 2,000 MP3 music files.
Police said the files belonged to a "well-known" Italian DJ.
"For the MP3 files, which were kept on the DJ's personal computer, the DJ has
received a fine of 1.4 million euros," Rieti finance police said in a statement.

The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) said the fine
was the biggest ever slapped on an individual for unlawful music copying and the
use of copyrighted music in the MP3 format.
More than 7,000 legal actions have been launched against alleged uploaders in
the United States, Canada and countries in Europe as the music industry fights
to stop piracy which it blames for a decline over a number of years in CD sales

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7651166

I think CD sales have decreased because the companies pump out so much andyne shite too.
But holy phook :shock:
Well there ya go, I`m glad I don`t have a drive full of naughty mp3`s

did he have 1.4 million euros to pay the fine with??? if so he had too much cash anyway and deserved it :lol: :lol:

the fine worked out at about 200 euro per track!!

hah, I know kids that have bought FS and now they are downloading mp3s which they didnt pay of course, thinking its ok to play them in club if they have original program :doh:

btw link doesnt work..

cor bloody ell thats a stinger!! :shock:

holy :wtf:

:evil: I don't know where's the place or the dj.........but i say only one thing................BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!.......

ha ha ha im glad this has happened, serves his own right ..should'nt use illeagal mp3s...maybe this is a lesson to be learned :rambo:

I´m also glad it happend, it´s like you have no respect for the artist and the music iff you play illegal mp3.

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I´m also glad it happend, it´s like you have no respect for the artist and the music iff you play illegal mp3.

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not that i do, i only own deks no final skratch or that...but what if you coulny find the orig to buy.....

anyway, i think music is made to be heard and i dont think if i was a producer id mind if folk were doing this.......as long as folk got to hear the music/art then i think thats the main thing.


id rather 2000 folk heard it and enjoyed it(illegally) than 500 folk buying it....

so once im a producer, feel free to copy my stuff and let the world hear it....its why i made it apart from the fact i enjoy it. ;)


i aint in techno to make money........

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not that i do, i only own deks no final skratch or that...but what if you coulny find the orig to buy.....

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You can find pretty much everything on www.gemm.com. I download the odd mp3 album through bittorrent sites. If I dont like it I delete it. if I do I go and buy it. I think it sucks having a little yellow folder full of files. I much prefer something tangible in my hand & the artwork on blank CD's suck!

Each to their own but I think techno nerds are cooler than most when it comes to letting people download their stuff.

cheers but im a vynil junky..........i only want da wax, plus i want to support the labels to keep the scne alive

for sure the music is made to be heard but the thing is bread is also made to eat but you dont get it for free. from buying a mp3 or a record there´s a profit for the distribution and the label (they have to live to) and with they´re help you as an artist benifit cause you gain recognition, in other words you might get some cool gigs where you then collect your fee to upgrade your studio... and so on

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id rather 2000 folk heard it and enjoyed it(illegally) than 500 folk buying it....

so once im a producer, feel free to copy my stuff and let the world hear it....its why i made it apart from the fact i enjoy it.

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Not a producer yet?

So you haven't spent late nights just tweaking a few sounds, and wondering to yourself...shit this takes time, my effin job is getting in the way!

While its wishful thinkin that makin techno will get rid of that need for a dayjob, its nice to get a kickback for those long sessions.

When you both not get that kickback AND some other guy is making money by playing something you've labored hard for and he didn't pay YOU any scratch, that burns.

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id rather 2000 folk heard it and enjoyed it(illegally) than 500 folk buying it....

so once im a producer, feel free to copy my stuff and let the world hear it....its why i made it apart from the fact i enjoy it.

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Not a producer yet?

So you haven't spent late nights just tweaking a few sounds, and wondering to yourself...shit this takes time, my effin job is getting in the way!

While its wishful thinkin that makin techno will get rid of that need for a dayjob, its nice to get a kickback for those long sessions.

When you both not get that kickback AND some other guy is making money by playing something you've labored hard for and he didn't pay YOU any scratch, that burns.

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totally understand what your trying to say ther man but as ive said im not into music for getting payed......

believe me ive spent just as long on my deks as any producer prob has in their studio.........basically cos i like doing it....i actually sit sumtimes and cant wait to get in to have a skratch/mix, i actually crave it, i dont see why i have to get money aswell, the enjoyment is enuf......and im starting to feel like that with reason....been getting the urge to write beatz, and just now id feel glad if someone played that even if they didnt buy it....would just make me happy to know 500 folk danced to it......

sure some folks see ther techno as a way to get by, but not me or most folks i know that write beatz.......they do it for the luv and like getting together, having a smoke and getting some techno written.....we sell crack to kids for money ;)

plus if the guy has bought yer record you have had some kick back.....

Rumour has it it was picotto who got nicked :doh:

Stupid really he surely doesnt need to be getting involved in all this illegal mp3 business.

i used to be a big napster fan back in the day...now i only download mp3s legally. for things which are out of print, maybe, but i can't take something from someone unless they are willing to give it to me. just doesn't help the industry.

of course, if anyone wants to give away their mp3s for free...i'm all for it!

here in france most of the people attacked for owning illegal mp3s are the big uplaoders or the ones who use them to make money (ex : grabbing the music on CDs they sell)

on the same way, a guy djing with illegal files makes his money on other's back, i thnik its really lame... thats also why i recommend software producers to use registred or freeware softs !

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id rather 2000 folk heard it and enjoyed it(illegally) than 500 folk buying it....

so once im a producer, feel free to copy my stuff and let the world hear it....its why i made it apart from the fact i enjoy it.

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Not a producer yet?

So you haven't spent late nights just tweaking a few sounds, and wondering to yourself...shit this takes time, my effin job is getting in the way!

While its wishful thinkin that makin techno will get rid of that need for a dayjob, its nice to get a kickback for those long sessions.

When you both not get that kickback AND some other guy is making money by playing something you've labored hard for and he didn't pay YOU any scratch, that burns.

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totally understand what your trying to say ther man but as ive said im not into music for getting payed......

believe me ive spent just as long on my deks as any producer prob has in their studio.........basically cos i like doing it....i actually sit sumtimes and cant wait to get in to have a skratch/mix, i actually crave it, i dont see why i have to get money aswell, the enjoyment is enuf......and im starting to feel like that with reason....been getting the urge to write beatz, and just now id feel glad if someone played that even if they didnt buy it....would just make me happy to know 500 folk danced to it......

sure some folks see ther techno as a way to get by, but not me or most folks i know that write beatz.......they do it for the luv and like getting together, having a smoke and getting some techno written.....we sell crack to kids for money ;)

plus if the guy has bought yer record you have had some kick back.....

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Well, to be really good at your craft you need to be able to put in the time . And a day job, 9-5 slave plus the time either side to get in, and wind down will stop you from allowing yourself to devote the time needed.
DJing is a very physical/Manual skill, and you can pick it up with a couple of hours of practice a night, pretty easily.
Producing to a high standard takes years.

I don`t want a rolls royce, or a mountain of charlie and a beachfront hone in the Caymens. But I woul dlike to be able to pay my rent, and feed my cats.

Piracy is stealing someone elses effort.

Would you do a week at work, for free?
I doubt it.

Shouldn`t everything be free in that case. Some farmers enjoy their work, why should we pay for their produce?

I know it`s a bit of a wild extrapolation, but it`s the same thing.

Well to steal someones music, that they have spent time to craft, and then earn from it. Is wrong.

just don't steal anything o.k.
it's wrong and you know it.

but does music belong to anyone in the first place?
its there to share, surely?
i often fail to see how can anyone seriously say 'yeah, if you make the air vibrate in this specific way then you have to give me dollar'?

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but does music belong to anyone in the first place?
its there to share, surely?
i often fail to see how can anyone seriously say 'yeah, if you make the air vibrate in this specific way then you have to give me dollar'?

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wassat supposed to mean?

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not that i do, i only own deks no final skratch or that...but what if you coulny find the orig to buy.....

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This is why being able to buy mp3's online is such a killer, for no cost a label can provide an endless supply of those classic back cats that only people in the know from in the day have.

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so once im a producer, feel free to copy my stuff and let the world hear it....its why i made it apart from the fact i enjoy it. ;)

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all you have to do is write a licensing agreement somewhere which states thats the case and your sorted. Just a "Feel free to play this anywhere anytime and stick it to the man but I still hold copyright over the intelluctual property".

Actually why don't we make this a publicly usable licensing agreement like GNU or something, we'll call it the "FREE BOABY" licence.

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i aint in techno to make money........

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I was there that night you were all rolling in a sack of filthy mad cash that was the door takings from Jak-N. Remember getting a roll of pound coins up yer jacksie?

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wassat supposed to mean?

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It means i'm waggin my finger at you.

Surely your own voice is yours or do I part own it two?

it would be nice if we lived in a world where techno producers were subsidized to make art for the people, but we don't.

people make the mistake of thinking capitalism is an ideology. it's not...it's a comprehensive set of floating price ratios, and everyone is dependent on it for survival. understanding this and compensating artists in order to keep them producing and drive innovation is not the same as pandering to corporate greed.

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but does music belong to anyone in the first place?
its there to share, surely?
i often fail to see how can anyone seriously say 'yeah, if you make the air vibrate in this specific way then you have to give me dollar'?

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I can understand where you're coming from ( I think :neutral: ) but what you posted makes absolutely no sense. Could you possible expand on why artists should work for free ?

Sorry if my reply is deemed as negative to the mods but i'd be interested to hear what the answer is.

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it would be nice if we lived in a world where techno producers were subsidized to make art for the people, but we don't.

people make the mistake of thinking capitalism is an ideology. it's not...it's a comprehensive set of floating price ratios, and everyone is dependent on it for survival. understanding this and compensating artists in order to keep them producing and drive innovation is not the same as pandering to corporate greed.

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Exactly.
Intelligence over blind anarchy

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Originally Posted by j_s

but does music belong to anyone in the first place?
its there to share, surely?
i often fail to see how can anyone seriously say 'yeah, if you make the air vibrate in this specific way then you have to give me dollar'?

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oh boy :doh:
straight out of the 1985 stonhenge free festival handbook.
( property is theft man!!) ( groan)
what the hell do you want then ? no art at all ?
because if people never got paid for making art that's what you'd eventually get.
wake up man , there's a real world out there , it has money and everything
, cars , boats , planes you know people....food....problems...like real life type stuff man!
sorry about that.

:clap: :clap: couldnt have said it better

double posts grrrr! :rambo:

isnt there a law that says, even if you bought the music (records) and play them out in a nightclub or whatever, you can still get sued for not having the rights to play the music out in public?

i heard that, if they want they can go after you even if you're playing music in a little ol market or whatever, as long as the place is bringin in money, you have to pay royalties :doh:

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wake up man , there's a real world out there , it has money and everything
, cars , boats , planes you know people....food....problems...like real life type stuff man!
sorry about that.

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What about those people that eat, shit and breathe techno? Surely they don't need anything else!

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just don't steal anything o.k.
it's wrong and you know it.

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wake up man , there's a real world out there , it has money and everything
, cars , boats , planes you know people....food....problems...like real life type stuff man!
sorry about that.

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What about those people that eat, shit and breathe techno? Surely they don't need anything else!

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they're malnourished

im glad this has happened, lets hope it scares a few people into not doing this

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im glad this has happened, lets hope it scares a few people into not doing this

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i really, really hope people start supporting artists, rather than undercutting them, but i'm also uncomfortable with the idea of some dj having a 3 million euro fine leveled at him. it seems a bit drastic...

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wassat supposed to mean?

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It means i'm waggin my finger at you.

Surely your own voice is yours or do I part own it two?

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it came from me, but i don't see why i should want to charge you money to hear it. music is for people to hear - let them hear it, does that make sense?

i suppose there are those who are so deeply involved with music that their relationship with it requires their undivided attention. perhaps those people couldn't operate in the way they do with other time consuming distractions (jobs etc.). i hadn't really thought of music in that way. however i do feel that it is possible for people to progress creatively and produce work of value at the same time as holding down a regular job and supporting themselves through non artistic means. i can't help but think that with some of the money taken out of music distribution, more people would be encouraged to produce and share music, which has got to be a good thing. i suppose i don't have any real problem with the way the music industry generally works, just with the attitude that music can only operate within that system...

Haha
The best writers, were mostly poor, as they devoted their life to their art.
Same with painters.
And with musicians.
To be good at your craft you need to put in the time.
Personally I have a job that fits around my music, but it sucks.
What is wrong with earning your living doing something you enjoy. Isn`t that everybodies dream.
What is your job?
Do you do it for free?
Do you go into a shop when you want to update your PC and say to the shopkeeper "man, you should give it to me for free, computers should be free. Computers are for people to use, why should you charge me money to want to use it? Let me use it?
Does that make sense?
Why should nurses get paid?
Do surgeons really need to get paid?
Surely they can get another job to support them, as the fact that they are saving lives should be enough for them.

Your argument just doesn`t hold up man.

And to those people and artists who genuinely work hard for their art. It`s kind of an insult.

100% agree :clap:

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Haha
The best writers, were mostly poor, as they devoted their life to their art.
Same with painters.
And with musicians.
To be good at your craft you need to put in the time.
Personally I have a job that fits around my music, but it sucks.
What is wrong with earning your living doing something you enjoy. Isn`t that everybodies dream.
What is your job?
Do you do it for free?
Do you go into a shop when you want to update your PC and say to the shopkeeper "man, you should give it to me for free, computers should be free. Computers are for people to use, why should you charge me money to want to use it? Let me use it?
Does that make sense?
Why should nurses get paid?
Do surgeons really need to get paid?
Surely they can get another job to support them, as the fact that they are saving lives should be enough for them.

Your argument just doesn`t hold up man.

And to those people and artists who genuinely work hard for their art. It`s kind of an insult.

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you're right, the only real point i was trying to make was that music can be a worthwhile means of communication without necessarily spending your whole life being 'the best' at it.

and when i said music is for people to hear - i don't think the computer analogy is quite fair. the person who took the time to make it wasn't trying to express anything when they made it, the computer wouldn't mean any more to it's maker once someone had connected with it. the jobs that medical workers do are perhaps more similar, though, which i imagine is why some people do opt to do work of that nature voluntarily - which kind of relates to my point above. i think thats enough rambling for now....

if an artist wants to distribute their music for free, then no one--and i mean no one--is ever going to stop them. the problem is that a lot of people spend a ton of money to get the gear they need to make music, then put a ton of hours into making that music, and a sh*tload of elbow grease into getting that music out.

i don't mind if someone has a few illegal downloads for personal consumption (i am definately talking about limited numbers here), but playing them out and making money from them...well...that's just robbery to me...

there's got to be plenty of loopholes around this. for example, what happens if u received the mp3s directly from the artist, label or distributor, before the tracks are signed to a label or maybe received as a promo for that release? would it still be ok to play them after they are signed and released?

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there's got to be plenty of loopholes around this. for example, what happens if u received the mp3s directly from the artist, label or distributor, before the tracks are signed to a label or maybe received as a promo for that release? would it still be ok to play them after they are signed and released?

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That or just like burning a copy of your own cds...I don't believe it's illegal to make a copy of a record that you bought, so what if you actually owned all of the records that you now play MP3s of??? Wouldn't they have to first prove that you don't originally own the recs themselves?

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did he have 1.4 million euros to pay the fine with??? if so he had too much cash anyway and deserved it :lol: :lol:

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Prison, hmmm isnt funny to have that money and **** around with mp3 ? :rambo:

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there's got to be plenty of loopholes around this. for example, what happens if u received the mp3s directly from the artist, label or distributor, before the tracks are signed to a label or maybe received as a promo for that release? would it still be ok to play them after they are signed and released?

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That or just like burning a copy of your own cds...I don't believe it's illegal to make a copy of a record that you bought, so what if you actually owned all of the records that you now play MP3s of??? Wouldn't they have to first prove that you don't originally own the recs themselves?

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aaaah now that's interesting!!!
i hadn't thought of that...good point....let's ask someone.

This'll do Picotto's image a world of good :shock:

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This'll do Picotto's image a world of good :shock:

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erm.......
italian+dj=picotto........it's a bit obvious?

it's not picotto.

I heard it was the dj from Eiffel 65.