Is just getting better and better!!!!!! Who's with me? :mrgreen:
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Is just getting better and better!!!!!! Who's with me? :mrgreen:
yeah i'll go along with that 8) 8) :D 8)
interesting.
Alot of people in high dance music places like djmag have talked about the fall of dance music and the increase of new house music, they also have said with the closure of the big organisations like cream and others that trance is dying!!!!
Has anyone else heard that??
I am talking about trance in general here but it does affect all areas?
But no matter what they say i still believe that theres absolutly no change in the popularity of it!!!
No matter what happens to the popularity of it, its what it sounds like that is the key!!!
So yes i totally agree the tracks are geting better all the time. It does go through its hot sopts and cold spots. Like 1999 for example there was a huge boom in commercial trance. There was huge amount of tunes that came out and mostly turned into classics. From my point of view i thought that there was a bum period in 2001, but i think now in 2003 theres going to be some big things.
if anyone feels the same then say so
cas
The only real problem with trance nowadays is that is is much more commercial than it ever has been before, every quality release is sure to get into the charts which, fickle as it may be, puts me off it a little.
What do you mean every release?!! Ish don think zo. Even if they do, it's normally a long way down the line by which time you've probably stopped playing it anyways
Sorry mate. Thats well off the mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voorheez
Trance is a million time better now than it was in 1999.
Just need to be a bit more choosey imo.
Anyone who is still into trance will tell you the same.
This again imo, will be another massive year for trance, as all the previous years have.
Just cause it aint flavour of the month, truth is, trance is still bein played out by a lot of jocks, and its still filin clubs.
I don't think it's well off the mark.
Take as an example the new Warrior tune - I really like it, but I never bought it a year ago when I first saw it because I knew what would eventually happen. This week it is released with a vocal on top of it, and it is sure to get into the top 20, at the least. This tune will be on the next Clubland, Now compilation etc - it is unavoidable. This wouldn't have happened in the old days.
I'm not saying trance has changed in quality, I know there is still good stuff out there, i'm saying it's more commercial nowadays, and with pop trance like Flip'n'Fill, Lasgo or Ian Van Dahl filling the charts on a weekly basis, I can't see how you can argue otherwise?
I think I was refering more to the sort of trance that we all play, i.e Hard. I wouldn't even call that Ian Van Dahl stuff trance at all, that would be an insult.
I should have been more specific, I was just buzzin coz I just got the new GIGI tune through in the post. I just thought, what is eveyone on about? there's nothing wrong with trance!
so I posted it.
Warrior is hardly proper good trance mate. An anthem in ways i agree.
But where do flip and fill etc come into it???
Hardly a trance act mate.
Apart from the names you have mentioned!!!!
How can you say trance has become more commercial. Wat kinda statement is that. Whats more commercial about it?
Everything has a commercial side in ways.
I have a shit load of new trance tracks in me box which are far from commercial mate. Top stuff which once again has the hairs on me neck standin too attention.
Its bit of a broad statment imo mate, too say that about all the trance scene. and i think it is off the mark if u have a look at the scene as a whole.
Look, Paul - Trance sells more than it ever has nowadays. Whether you like it or not, acts like Flip'n'Fill or Dj Sammy make trance. Pop trance, cheesy trance, whatever you wanna call it - it's still a form of trance. This kind of stuff wasn't made until a couple of years ago. The good stuff, like say Plummet - Damaged or the aforementioned Warrior track gets lumped together with this kind of stuff. It gets higher in the charts than it used to - it is more commercial.
By more commercial I mean that it sells more, it gets on the radio more - not that it is intentionally made for mass consumption, or the quality is any different, which is what I think you seem to think I mean. If you truly think otherwise, give me more of your side of the argument, 'cause I just can't see it.
DJ Sammy is s hit hot, dont diss :lol:
There are always gonna be tracks that never see the commercial light of day, thats whats really important.Some of our beloved music is way to hard and diverse to find itself being raped by compilation CD's & Top of the pops :P
I wouldnt class Lasgo ,FLip n Fill or any of that stuff as Trance because it isnt.The media may say it is but it is deffo not trance its pop music
Agreed :D poptastic :lol:
Rite bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voorheez
Myself and urself must see GOOD TRANCE in different ways.
Plummet and warrior imo are not quality trance tracks IMO. not sayin they are rubbish, just saying there are a lot of tracks out there just now that are a lot better.
Examples
Fate federation - mezmarise
dj corfijneman - venus -tiesto rmx
drax and scott mac - angel - katana rmx
Cern - Baileys - GTR dub
Midway - inca
Beat seekers - walk of notes
Mr sam vs fred baker - forever waiting - MIKE rmx
all tracks IMO are quality trance tunes without a sniff of cheddar.
Flip and fill etc cannot be allowed to be associated with trance, cause that is what is hurting the tramce scene imo.
And making they kinda comments ie, sayin trance is more commercial now than 99 or whenever is only gonna hurt the trance scene imo.
Not wantin too argue, but i think ur statement was a bit harsh for such a widespread scene.
All I have to say is, I think that the style of trance I listen to is better now than it was, Thats my personal opinion. But there are more styles of trance nowadays and some of them have commercialised, like this new brand of 'pop trance' with the likes of Lasgo and Ian Van Dahl. Let them have this style as it is no loss to us, but what we don't want is our style being 'raped' as carl put it, and that's why we can't have LISA LASHES, to put one name, putting SHOKK tunes on her latest Euphoria CD, get your hands off Lisa.
Trance is a massive gene of music, with a wide and varied output. sorry voorheez but to say all trance is commercial is a little bit far fetched :shock: , but i see what you are saying, :D weve all seen examples of the warrior track with trance, but this is true of the music indusrty as a whole, if something sells repeat formula till it sells no more, it started with disco and it wont stop with trance.
The german techno scene has suffered from the same type of statments,after the chart became littered with cheese techno. :evil: :D
I think theres a lot of quality coming out of the trance scene at the moment, from the uk especially, there will always be people making music for money ian van dahl, flip and fill etc but they all need the underground to take things forward. for every filp n fill there is a jon the baptist, and for every van dahl theres a jay walker.
there is good trance and there is bad trance and i am with addict on giving it mad props :D :D 8) 8) :D :wink:
GWAN THE BAPTIST!
gotta say that if it was a choice of a SHOKK tune been on the latest Lisa Lashes Euphoria cd or being associated with the likes of flip and fill and lasgo etc ,i know which option id be choosing
Yeah for sure Jay, but we don't have to choose. :wink:
So we can still not be associated with shite trance and keep Lisa away from our stuff. :D
:D :wink:
round and round in circles we go :roll:
I think trance is the greatist genre, and people know this. Thats why you get the likes of flip + fill trying to suck the life out of it and earn a mint.
But, i dont think that is possible, if you just listen to a pop trance track and then listen to any record you have bought in the last year, you will notice the difference for sure. Its not quality.
I dont think theres f*ck all to worry about, because there will always be underground TRANCE, and there will always commercial, poppy shitty crap.
Back to the original post, yes trance is defo on the up all the time i think.
Well said the sargent! :lol:
Go on the Tranceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Trance is the best genre buy far because their so many different forms of it sure its got its commercial cheesy stuff but we dont have to listen to that. On the more underground side think of all great lables we have aswell like Fog Area. 8)
All music genres have their fair bit of commercial cheese factor and if they have forums aswell people like us will be disscussing it to
Commercial music tends to get more of a hammering because like it or not it we hear it more! every time we turn on the radio!
This is exactly my whole point though - they are and it is unavoidable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Nisbet
I say not worry about it. Just buy/play/listen to what you like and enjoy it for what it is.
:)
Be Happy!
Raading back through this, I can see that my point has been vastly misconstrued, so i'm going to just try to explain what I mean one more time, and please read all of this carefully before you judge me, and post a reply.
When I say I think trance is more commercial these days, I mean it gets more exposure, it's more accessible to Joe Public. I do not mean that it is all made to make money or it is cheesy - this is where I am being misunderstood. I do know there is still an undergound scene, i'm not naive.
Some producers however do make cheesy trance solely to make money, more so than ever before, and cheesy euro trance is at a whole time high. These acts, although not what you listen to, are indeed trance, and their success affects your genre.
My statement that all quality trance tracks get into the charts was perhaps a little too generic - but I think that in even an indirect way it is true. A prevelant undergound trance track will probably be ripped off at some point by some cheesy trance act.
These are things that added to me gradually drifting out of buying trance, but it would have happened anyway. It's only my viewpoint, and i'm certainly not saying that nobody should listen to trance, or that trance is rubbish or that I hate trance. Cascade made a post basically asking why the media says trance is on a downturn, and this is what I thought was the reason why.
I say take one grape, remove the insides.... hey presto.
I shall say no more.
Deeper :wink:
well this one went around a few circles didnt it!!
oh well, makes good conversation!!
anyways
I do have a great example of what voorheez was saying about one day all good trance tracks will be ripped off by cheese.
I do remember a awsome hard trance track called "floor burn".
But i have herd that same "its time to make the floor burn" sample on some shitty bouncy house tune imported from australia!!
But that doesnt mean every track will be abused, just some. So yea both sides of the argument are correct.
But when a quality track is ripped off and a new track is formed from it, it doesnt automatically make the originalcrap or commercial. it just means someones copied a good track to make a shit one.
As for the other point trance is getting better all the time, we all do remember the absolute strong years!! mine was 1999, but i still believe that it was getting better all the time, but not as quick as it did in 1999. Thats just my opinion on the matter.
If you look back on the 20 or more posts on this thread you will find that we all agree on one thing, we all made it perfectly clear that trance was getting better all the time, even if did disagree on other matters!!
Not one of us disagreeed that trance was getting worse!!!!
in trance we trust!!
cas
In trance we trust. Agreed there bud.
I would put my neck on the line and say trance last year and this year far outclassed trance in 1999.
Voorhez, dont mean too jump down ur throat, i get well worked up over me music. Just dont agree that every quality trance tune will go into charts and even being more commercial.
Paul
DJ Hunter 'Floor Burn' on Progressive state (dj spoke and vespa 63 mix) is a wicked tune I reckon.It even has them controversial hoovers in there to bring many a heated debate to various forums!!! hahahahahaha!!!! :lol:
No way is every trance release gonna become commercialised!! :?
And as for the trance of '99 ... it was a wicked yeah for trance imo, I can think of some proper thumpers from back then that stand up to most tunes around today, but I wont go there, hehe :D
i wouldnt complain about the use of samples like the 'floor burn' one... its an age old sample thats been rinsed many a time, well before the tracks you mentioned...
anyway, on the whole "trance is commercial" thing... yep, it is. get over it. if you only liked it because other people didnt, then gutted. if you liked it cos it was quality music, then its still quality music, just more people are listening to it. and if you dont like ian van dahl, scooter (oh my god... how awful are scooter), dj sammy and the like, then dont buy their records. if you really cant handle other people listening to your music, start buying gabba or something. job done.
"IF YOU WANT THE RAINBOW, YOU'VE GOT TO PUT UP WITH THE RAIN."
Sage words of wisdom from the bird like dolly parton.
also there was one thing said that really stuck out at me... someone said they didnt buy a tune he liked a year ago cos he knew it would get re-released and bigged up sooner or later... that seems really foolish to me... by that rationale i wouldnt have bought alex bartlett "amnesia" (classic) dave joy "first impression"... flutlicht "icarus" (that tune is massive worldwide and its one of the greatest trance tunes of all time) need i go on?
oh and, just to be a twat, does everyone know drugface "cuntmaster" is being released on judge jules's label? hah! hardtrance? commercial? surely not...
This post was not a "Trance is Commercial" post it was a "I'm Bigging Up Trance" post.
Peace love and unity and all that malarky.
Anyway...Back to the original post?
Yes Trance-Addict, Trance is geting better and better. And this i feel is going to be a big year for it as its becoming more widespread and more people are listening to it/playing it, so more people will produce it and it will keep getting better and better imo.
Log why not just mention my name if you're referring to me?
I'm not a person that will turn his nose up at something simply because others like it - hell if I was i'd be a fcuking goth or something!
In the original post I put 'call me fickle' - do you see that????
I'm mocking my own small personal fault there, because I know i'm being a bit silly. I don't need you to look down off your high horse at me thank you.
I like that Warrior track and have done for ages. I downloaded it the first time I heard it. I play it still regularly. It was my fave track of Ibiza last year. I didn't buy it on vinyl because I wouldn't play it in a club - simply because I just wouldn't play that anymore.
I say fairplay to the lot of ya.
Now who wants and ice cream?
"me meme me me me me"
They you go you lot.
:P
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ibiza ..... been there done that, club 18-30 style :D
That's too commercial for my liking m8 :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl
Yeah but mate, like I went on a club 18-30 holiday to Ibiza for the music :lol:
hahahahahahhahahahahahaha
voorheez, geezer, i didnt mean to come over as a tosser (although if you know anyone who knows me, youll know i am).
and the reason i didnt mention your name was cos i couldnt be arsed to look back and find out who it was. love in the name of trance mate. and i really did go off on one didnt i! i just read the start of the post again and i was blathering on about stuff that had fukk all to do with it! nice one log. maybe i was menstruating or something. bygones.
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