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Basiacly I am getting realy pissed off with this label it seems to me now that because the hard house scene is fading because its crap apart from the dirtier sounds of glazby, karim, the hand bag house scene is jumpin on the good old bandwagon with hard trance and using both sounds italian and german recently there big event the tidy wekkener had the sounds of scot p, yoji, uberduck, and shokk, It makes my teeth grind too think 5000 faries packed with zippy bags are tryin too dance to the harder sounds you can tell there tryin too push the hardtrance scene with the release of tidy 2 with the likes of lee haslam relasing his album resonate god damm him.
I no its the commercial way but i do not want too see in a years time hard trance euphoria mixed by judge jules at wool worths now.
Hardtrance and Techno is the music I love and is a way of life for me and it will never change god help us all with the closing down of the country club lets prey theres gonna be another club too take its place, Also all the underground promoters and djs should get the gold badges not the likes of tidy trax and godskitchen
I no theres nothin we can do but hopefully they will fail in wreckin the underground scene thanks for takin the time too read this rabble but can hope the hardtrance and techno scene will stay underground.
ps: anyone fancy doin a march through sunddisental and giving them all a good slap
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Just the way it is going I am afraid, i think hard trance is pretty commercial anyway....it looks like techno is set to go this way too and no doubt be ruined by these b*stards.
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Because Hard Trance spans so far with music, I don't think it's completely commerical... but I would say 40% is... I go Dance Academy every week... have done for about 3.5 years now, and I honestly can say that there are lots of amazing tracks that never get played (and to my knowledge) have not been played in there but they are amazing. I'v been scouring Germantrance.Com for tracks that are on small foreign lables, and I'm finding some gems!
I know of 100's of tracks that were born underground, and will stay undergroud... and it is those tracks that won't be on top of the pops or on bought out by label's like Tidy.
I can't see Technoboy - Hard Drive being on top of the pops nor I can I see Tidy bothering it. It's mostly mainstream tracks that go commercial so keep it dirty, twisted, evil, nasty, warped and originial and it probably will be left a lone.
Well... I hope so anyway.
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You never know what will go commercial Hakka, over Amsterdam Technoboy is pretty well known, and they like it real cheesy!
As for Tidy, leave them to it, they're releasing crap anyway, I know it tarnishes the hard trance name, but hell, we'll just come up with a new name! Has anyone actually listened to Resonate? There's very little hard trance on it, and every mix is @#%$, the basses always clash!
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Well hard house is pretty much dead and all the hard house djs I have had the misfortune to see in the last 6 months have been playing most of their sets as what is now termed 'hard trance' by Tidy and Julesy. You just have to hope its just a 'fad' thing before the next wagon comes along for them to hop on to which will hopefully be deathmarch-nosebleed-speedcore-crackhead-gabber 'cos i'd love to see what it does to the bastards!!
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Im dissapointed to see a Flutlicht remix on tidy but hey i guess they need to make some money.
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i think it is a crying shame to see names like lab4, yoji biomehanika and shokk on labels like tidy. i do resent such record companies for what they are doing to the underground scene but i think the blame can be put equally on the producers who sign their tunes to the labels. It is them who are clearly giving in to the money they are being offered, and in the process dragging what was quality underground music into the mainstream.
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Agreed...its the producers that are selling there tracks/remixes.
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I don't agree with Tech Funk that hard trance is commercial. Trance is commercial, not hard trance. Hard trance is still an underground music in this country, yet labels such as tidy signing yoji etc etc are not helping matters.
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i do agree what people are saying, my personal opinion about that label is that it is very sameme hardhouse cheese which is dying , so they get tidy 2, fairplay they have signed s.h.o.k.k and various other artist's, but they influence them to take a different style or cheesy if you like(that is only my opinion though) to the tunes that they were making , and most of their tunes on tidy2 bridge beetween hardhouse and hardtrance, and i dont like that, but that ripped out is a stormer.....
keep it underground!!!!
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it`s not very commercial, but the likes of godskitchen & gatecrasher are playing exactly what you are playing mark!.....m.zone got offered a set at godskitchen!!.
but techno is going the same way now
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Most German Producers have got plenty of money (have you seen DJ Jo's car it's a fukin porche) because they've been doin it for so long. Someone should tell them to stop releasing on TIDY Trax and other labels who are jumpin' on the band wagon because if they want us to keep buying the records they they don't want to ruin our scene over here by supporting them.
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Trance & Techno will always live.
I am going backwards currently for a newer sound ironically. Kai Tracid stuff (Suicide is a brilliant tune!!) and trying to catch what I may of over looked through 2001 to mix with the best of 2001/2. So far so good.
Commercialism will hopefully conentrate on funky/house/garage style and let trance go unpopular with the people who don't understand it... and it will be born again in another form, but it will be pure and underground. I will be ready for it!
Then again I may be day dreaming.
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we have to remember that reverb lives in switzerland and to him taking an offer from tidy trax is no different to taking an offer from drizzly... and any way, some of the stuff coming out on tidy two is f__king proper... the coming on strong remix, that guyver tune is superb... when you first find out that flutlicht or whoever have been signed to a dodge hardhouse label there's that initial 'oh no you sh_t faced c_ckmasters' but then we all buy em cos they're wicked... so far the quality hasnt been compromised... but give it time i suppose!
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it shouldnt matter what label the tracks on ,if its a good tune i would still buy it no matter what label it was on.I think that the riot bros tracks are wicked and the new pne guyver unit is good too.
At the end of the day is someone is being offered a big deal from a label which is succesful (wether you like it or not Tidy is succesful) they arent gonna say no.
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Tech Funk - What me and M-Zone play and believe in, is certainly NOT being cained in Godskitchen etc. Perhaps DJ Scot Project is the only one playing a whole set in a similar style, but I know for a fact that it's 90% either commercial trancey bollox or recover/nukleus etc etc stuff that is being thrown down at these places. If people do play some trance off more underground labels then it's straight back into cheese two seconds later. It's a totally different mentality.
I think we need to get something straight here. Underground Trance is underground trance. Underground techno is underground techno. There will always be an underground mentality in most genre's. Tech Funk - you are more into your techno so let me put it to you like this...You say techno is going commercial NO... a certain style of techno is breaking though to the commercial scene but as for the actually genre techno becoming 100% commercial? No chance, There's too many people/producers/clubbers/dj's etc with a deep routed passion for difference in the techno movement. As soon as any of us start to see a pattern of commercialism, we move away - most people go harder, deeper or darker.
Well believe it or not, it's the same with hard trance. Ask me (and countless others who believe in the underground sound) 1 year ago who there fave producer was and we'd have probably said Scot Project. His sound was hard, dirty and repressented the true sound of the underground hard trance movement. But the change was gradual. Some of his tracks crossed over, Gatecrasher sniffed around his door and he took everything that was offered him. To me and anyone devoted to the UK underground hard trance movement, Scot Project crossed that line and sold out by playing so much for these more commericial clubs (I reckon a few times is OK to try to spread the message but he totally forgot about who first bought his music in the first place). He didn't realise he was doing it (he thought he was doing the right thing) but now he has and he's lost alot of his underground following. I'll play Scot Project records occasionally but to me, they're just good memories.
As anyone who there fave hard trance label was: Overdose. Now, I hardly EVER play their music. It's too commercial. Sure you'll hear Overdose stuff perhaps 10% of the time at Godskitchen, but does that mean there is no underground hard trance movement? No way. You'll hear Pete Tong play the new Adam Beyer on his show (the most commercial dnace show on Radio 1??) but does that mean that Adam Beyer's music is commericial? No.
Tech Funk - I swear I'm not wanting to have a go at you - believe what you want to - but I've seen your attitude to hard trance on other boards and I don't like it. One of the objectives of this board is to help both the underground trance and techno communities understand each other. I know for sure alot of people who are posting on this underground trance section are 100% commited to the sound - just as you are 100% commited to underground techno. The last thing you need to be told by someone who obviously loves another genre and not much else is that your genre is shitty commercial rubbish. I really hope I speak for most people who post here when I say you've got to stop being so closed minded about hard trance. Sure, F*ck the commercial bollocks in any genre, but please don't put lump the underground hard trance sound in the same category as what Godskitchen stand for.
Edited by: markeg3000 at: 11/11/02 8:28:26 am
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fair enough i see your point.
I don`t like really cheesey trance, don`t mind some hard trance but it just isn`t my style...used to be heavily into it but lost interest a few years back when IMHO it all got a bit samey, having not heard much hard trance recently i can`t really comment if it still is.
my mate went to see you dj not so long ago and said he heard most of the tunes you played being played in godskitchen though, this is just what he said! and he knows his trance.... I am not really bothered as it is not my music, i do understand what you are saying though and i will take your word for it.
Edited by: techfunk02 at: 11/11/02 10:43:27 am
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That's gotta be the best post i've read in ages, I agree with you 100% on that
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well said Mark
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This is one of the problems with trance music... it's so widespread that it is easily crossed over with commercial scene's. For example, some people class tracks like Taiko - Silence, RM - Gods Speach, Dj Kim - Jet Lag as hard trance... but these tracks you will hear played underground and in commercial clubs... you will also hear hard trance tracks like Re-An!mator - Re-Wire Your Brain and Planet Punk - X-Ta-Cee at underground events but never (or rarely) get played at commercial venues. It's confusing as people will over-lap trance & hard trance with their opinion of what the music is and get confused.
Safe to say... Schwarzen Puppen won't be on Top Of The Pop's but Dirt Devils - The Drill has?
Just stick to what you like, the commercialness will seperate itself from the underground like water and oil eventually.
Hard Trance at the moment is sort of getting flat... and I agree with what Mark Eg has said about Overdose, I still own many Overdose tracks but at the moment mainly play tracks on the labels of Anthems, Red Alert and Dance Pollution stuff mixed in with my classic Hard/Techno Trance fav's.
On another note, one thing I do find strange is that I actually like Psyclone - Good Side (guyver mix) and Abel Ramos - One More... there Tidy Two Blags... but still think there good tracks...
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haven't heard much by mark richardson, phil reynolds etc.. so can't comment a lot but i did pick up one beast on nukleuz purple by mark richardson called hard drive. got a 140bpm mix on the b side and its hard as @#%$. i do agree with you though about a lot of English 'hard trance' - seems to be a lot of the tidy/nukleuz djs and producers are using the genre of 'hard trance' to define the tunes they are producing, which i think misguides people as to what REAL hard trance is!
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I do agree with you there Acid Phase, but producers such as S.H.O.K.K,Uberdruck andScot Project, are doing some bloody exellent hard trance on Tidy 2, bu I really can understand were your commin' from.
Another label that pisses me off which I think are doing the same is Nukleuz.Dont get me wrong they are a phat label I have many Nukleuz 12", but what really pisses me off is the way Mark Richardson, Phill Renolyds and other Nukleuz producers are releasing trax and calling it hard trance! F**K OFF! its hard house bulls**t, they sick a trancey riff into a cheesy ass hard house tune and call it hard trance! Well Im sorry but hard trance in my eyes aint nuffin like this, ive been lisnin to hard trance for years and this crap is really pissin me off! any one agree?
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With all this Tidy Traxx crap it`s easy to forget how underground other labels are actually getting like Future sound corp or kickin tunes I think this could be the future for the underground world, it is hard pumpin it gets the crowd goin and when you get the right tracks to go the mixing is superb although at the minute I would like the Hard Trance scene go back to the Helter Skelter Mark eg n M Zone b2b in 98 but it`s time to move on to this hard techno-trance, to rock the underground world. You may think that tidy could ruin all the small time record labels that are making the mad as f*ck one off tacks I don't think it will cause as long as there are DJ`s that recognize these tracks we shouldn't have a problem.
