Stevee DB`s Techno Production Hints and Tips:

Been a long time coming this.

I am going to be posting this hints, tips and production guide, as a series of hopefully helpful reference notes.
These tips are based on my own learned, and discovered skills I have gathered over the last 10 years or so.
I hope none of this comes across as condescending. I in no way consider myself a perfect producer (whatever that means). I’m still learning, and I hope to continue to do so for a long time.
These guides are by no means hard and fast rules, more like references to help, inspire (hopefully) and also places to begin exploration from.
I’ll present this in little chapters.
Some may be more techie stuff, some may be more like hints or tips.
They are presented in no order of importance, but just as they came to me.

1: Complementary kicks.

Sometimes it can be frustrating getting those really big, solid kicks.
A technique I sometimes use is doubling up the kick drums.
Generally I’ll find, or more often make, a kick drum I like with good solid sub to mid bass presence, but it still seems to need extra sturdiness.
Sometimes this can be a simple EQ or compression problem, but sometimes I`m looking for a more dynamic sound.
In this situation I’ll find or make (generally I tend to mix a synthesised kick with a sampled kick) another kick with more presence in the high bass to top end frequencies.
I then blend the 2nd kick over the 1st by chopping out the lower frequencies of the 2nd, so it sits “on top” of the 1st. After then compressing the 2 this gives a nice full present and crisp kick, with loads of bottom end woomph and nice punchy mid and top.

Also, a lot of people seem to neglect the top end of their kicks.
A nice crisp, balanced top end on a kick drum with help the groove relationship between itself and the hats/high end percussion.

2: Sub rumble.

For nice deep ambient sub rumble in tracks, one of the techniques I sometimes use is to get a nice subby kick or bass sound, and run it through some monstrous cathedral size reverb.
I then sample the result, pull out the initial sound so I end up with just the deep verb on it`s own.
Then you can slap this under your kicks in a track, sidechained to the kicks, and it really gives a nice cavernous rumble.
For some interesting sub madness sometimes it`s also nice to make a subtle bass melody using this sample, and have that rumbling away under the kicks.

3: Pattern length.

Dance music has become increasingly easier to make due to the accessibility of the technology. And probably in some ways techno has become one of the easiest musics to make at it’s basic level. “Just mash some loops together” etc
With people getting a little tired of over loopy-ness it really is time producers started getting a little more clever with their programming.
One of the things I like to do to enliven the 4x4, 16 step nature of techno us to use unusual pattern/loop/phrase lengths.
Sometimes, for example, I’ll make an intricate hat pattern and spread it over 20 steps, instead of the usual 16. It means the pattern rolls over on it’s own separate groove, but is still in time to the 4x4 beat, giving a jazz like spontaneous sounding flare.
This simple technique, although it can make programming a little more laborious, can be applied to any part of your tune.
Bass lines, leads, whatever, and when varying pattern lengths mix together you get some interesting shifting groove effects.

4. Just close your eyes:

Make your ears do the work. This is music after all.
Sometime screens, sequence patterns, knobs and buttons can all act as a distraction from the basic heart of your project ie. SOUND.
Close your eyes and listen to the music. This is a very helpful way to sit back and reflect on the sequence or indeed a valuable way if “seeing into” the mix.
Sounds simple and obvious, but do you do it?
It’s great, especially when things all get a bit hectic in the mix

Well, you can let the machine "humanise" it for you.
But I tend to prefer programming my velocity changes, make em my own rather than some part of an algortythm.

do you have any rules you tend to stick to when doing this? Or do you keep it random?

Velocities?
No rules, but the note velocity can play as much a part of the melody/phrase, as the actual note the instrument plays.

6: EQ and separation:

This whole process is an art unto itself, and there is no hard and fast method that will ensure you get a clean separated mix.
Here are some hints and tips though.
Visualise your mix.
I see the mix as a side running bar chart. (This is just my example, your own mental picture should be something you yourself can visualise) with the sounds running from top to bottom on the chart, top being the high end, bottom being the bass frequencies. As in the diagram.

http://www.iterativemusic.com/~dirtybass/VisualEQ.jpg

The bigger the sound, the thicker it is on the mental picture, and visa versa.
The object is to cut and fit the sounds so they fill the graph from top to bottom, but overlap as little as possible.
Placing the sounds visually in your head makes it a lot easier to separate your mix.
I also split the bass mentally into 3 bands. Low bass, mid bass, high bass. And the same for the mid range and the top end. And then mentally picture where each sound lies.
May look a bit or sound a bit odd, but drawing a mental picture really does help a lot.
Oh as an aside the EQ process I use and you should always use for mixing is Subtractive EQ. Something that has been discussed loads on here, but I`ll go into it at some point.

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Originally Posted by loopdon

really spot on!

just one little request - could you possibly lable your frequency pic with hz values approx? and what would you say is low bass, mid bass and high bass frequency-wise?

thanks :techno:

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I won`t label the pic with herz values as it is just a basic guide.
In fact when making music I rarely pay that much attention to the frequency value at all, I just use my ears, which at the end of the day is what it`s all about. I`d rather not encourage people to use numbers and values instead of their ears.
But yes, I will look into a rough frequency guid for splitting up Treble, Mid and bass.

7: Edits.

No more high pass filters please!!! There is so much more you can do creatively.
Here is an idea for example…..
Record the whole track, cut out sections where you would like edits and then apply effects, resample, and cut back into the track.
There are some fantastically creative effects out there, and lots of them are freeware. Use them.
There is a certain buzz when working for the moment, but the rush to finish a track leads to lazy programming. Always go back a few days or a week later to a so called “finished” track, and you can then approach it without the creative “fever” clouding your final production.
It`s good to approach a track 1st from the more creative and spontaneous side, and then later from the more considered and clinical side.

8: Less is more Part 1.

Sometimes no matter what you do with eq, the mix is muddy and confusing, or too busy.
Try zeroing all the sliders on the desk.
Bring the elements back in one by one, in order of importance (in your eyes).
So that would be, main groove elements, then main melody etc
With each sound you bring back carefully sculpt it into the mix with eq, and as each new sound comes in, you can then also adjust the sounds already in the mix to accommodate as well. It saves running over the whole desk in some kind of EQ frenzy trying to get everything right all at once.
At some point you may find you still have some elements left, but the mix is full, and the groove is tight. You may then do well to discard these leftover elements (it may be painful, but it is worth it). Or maybe use them in the tune, but when you bring them into the tune (in the sequence) take out another sound that fills the same place in the mix.
This will keep the mix from cluttering and also provide some nice changes.

excellent thread :clap: :clap:

9: Super Grooves.

To improve your groove creation skills you might try the following exercise.
Many people start a track with the basic staple elements, Kick, bass then hats and main riff or percussion.
To make a real killer groove, don’t use a kick or any hats to begin with.
Try building a groove that rocks within the 4x4 environment, but stands on it’s own without kick and offbeat hats.
Once you’ve done this it is more than likely that when you add the kick and the hats this groove will lock so tight you’ll cream your pants.

10: Broken Beats.

Although I love the broken beat, I hear a bit more getting made these days that misses the point. Simply making standard techno, where the offbeat is the counterpoint and drive, and then moving the kick elsewhere doesn’t really work the groove to its full potential.
When you dive into broken beat, the whole groove can swing a different way if done properly, but the drive of the 4 to the floor ideal can still be retained.
When the kicks are moved off the 4, then the counterpoint for them also moves.
The offbeat is no longer the 3rd, 7th, 11th and 15th step per bar. It shifts with the new kick arrangement.
Play with this, you can end up with a really pounding but ass shaking off-kilter groove, but still with the emphasis on the kicks.

11: Experimentation 1.

The key to originality and creativity in any art form is experimentation.
Its bad practice in my opinion to look at every track you make with the expectation of releasing it. Some tracks are useful experiments and it’s ok to leave them as they are.

12: Instrument tuning.

Instrument tuning can be very interesting to play with. By this I mean non conventionally melodic parts, such as percussion hits, hi hats etc
Try this experiment.

Make a basic percussive groove: Kick, sub, hats, and some mid range percussion, maybe some kind of synth stab as well.
Now try tuning all the elements to the same note, say C.
Probably sounds a bit over resonant and uncomfortable I expect. But it`s a good starting point.

Now try retuning your groove into a scale (or chord essentially), say, C major.
If you don’t know your scales and chords there are plenty of resources on the net.
So take all the elements and tune them in the C major scale.
Essentially treat each separate sound as a note on the same keyboard, and play a chord using all your various sounds.
Sounds pretty interesting huh?
It’s a great starting point for a huge area of experimentation.

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Originally Posted by danielmarshall

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Originally Posted by dirty_bass

11: Experimentation 1.

The key to originality and creativity in any art form is experimentation.
Its bad practice in my opinion to look at every track you make with the expectation of releasing it. Some tracks are useful experiments and it’s ok to leave them as they are.

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This isi exactly what Jeff Mills was saying in an interview I read recently.

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There you go see, haha, great minds think alike.

Well, I`ve got a whole bunch of stuff, but I think this thread has lost coherance.
I¬ll be posting the full production guide in the londontechno.co.uk website when it is all done.

Sweet. Thanks for the unclutteration, I suppose I was responisble for a bit of tangential action myself :oops:

ok steve...so here;s a question...how do you suggest for others to produce for vinyl, keeping in mind it will be mastered for vinyl LATER and by SOMEONE ELSE? or rather, what do you suggest they NOT do?

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Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

ok steve...so here;s a question...how do you suggest for others to produce for vinyl, keeping in mind it will be mastered for vinyl LATER and by SOMEONE ELSE? or rather, what do you suggest they NOT do?

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Avoid stereo basslines... and use that Basslane thing in the free VST thread on anything that's particularly bassy.

let's talk compression then. before mastering...avoid compression?

you mean multiband compression i expect gustav?

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Originally Posted by dodgyedgy

you mean multiband compression i expect gustav?

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yeah, i'm making two versions of all my tracks at the moment...1 tailormade for pre-master, one sort of quasi-mastered for demos.

chris you get my PM?

want to know better what to avoid for pre-master versions

I`m typing up the next series of production tips, and there`ll be a big section on Vinyl production.
This is meant to be a list of stuff for people, not really an area for discussion as such.
It`s a kinda if it helps then good situation.

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excellent thread

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i agree totally. nice one db

Typing londontechno.co.uk doesn't seem to return anything useful :( Is the site still up? What's the go? I want more handy hints... it's my birthday and I only got 2 pressies today. Goddammit!!!

Seriously though, thanks for the quality posts so far. Much seems to be completely common sence (like many good ideas). I really liked the one on developing grooves in isolation from your kick and bass. Makes allot of sence when you think of your kick and hats as the generic medium in techno for carrying your other percussive elements and melody. Grooves and the melodies would be the unique parts of your track, and thus the elements you'd want to concentrate your creative energy on - which would only be obfuscated by other percussion.

londontechno.co.uk is still running fine, although my tutorial is not online yet, as I have no broadband till september

Your ISP should be shot.
1-2 month install back-queue is just wrong

:hammered:

It`s a whole new package with a new phone company, and the service doesn`t activate till the next bill, so, 1 month.
Plus everyone in the country is jumping onto the talk talk broadband and phone package so there is delay.

after typing "londontechno.co.uk" into the address bar I get:

www.londontechno.co.uk
Domain hosted free by: Freeola.com

ERROR 404, The Page Cannot Be Found...

Possibly due to an incorrect or outdated link (especially if arriving from a search engine).

If you are the owner you can find more help at the Freeola Support Centre. or by speaking to a member of our technical support team on: 0871 210 9977

:(

EDIT: Now it works... WIERD!

Always meant to say thanks for this thread - but never did.

So here ya go!

Got lots of sense & tangents from it. Cheers Steve :cool2:

You are very welcome mate (This is me, he who used to be Dirty Bass).

I have very little time to do these tutorials any more, as I am flat out with my Mastering business, the Label (Singularity Recordings) Gigging, making music and Teaching.

I do offer 1 to 1 tutoring in my studio now, generally a day in the studio with me will shoot your forwards a year or 2 in terms of knowledge. A few people from this forum have been in for lessons and generally have gone on to vast improvement

I am going to, at some point, be offering online live video feedback/followup/top up lessons for people who have been in the studio as well.

Anyone interested can contact me (Steve) at the following email voidlossATgooglemail.com or find me on Facebook as Steve Voidloss

Nice one cheers steve i read this and found it really usefull so i would be interested to see more.

[QUOTE=The_Laughing_Man;756096]You are very welcome mate (This is me, he who used to be Dirty Bass).


I am going to, at some point, be offering online live video feedback/followup/top up lessons for people who have been in the studio as well.

Awesome, but could you not offer a solely online service for people not able to make it to your studio? or would that just become a full time job, might be answering my own question :)

Well if I was in the UK - I'd definitely be paying you a visit mate. I dont doubt how good it would be.

Delighted that you got the message anyway - a good deed always needs recognition.

Best of luck for the future man! Glad all's going well for ya!

Cheers,

J

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Originally Posted by The_Laughing_Man

You are very welcome mate (This is me, he who used to be Dirty Bass).

I have very little time to do these tutorials any more, as I am flat out with my Mastering business, the Label (Singularity Recordings) Gigging, making music and Teaching.

I do offer 1 to 1 tutoring in my studio now, generally a day in the studio with me will shoot your forwards a year or 2 in terms of knowledge. A few people from this forum have been in for lessons and generally have gone on to vast improvement

I am going to, at some point, be offering online live video feedback/followup/top up lessons for people who have been in the studio as well.

Anyone interested can contact me (Steve) at the following email voidlossATgooglemail.com or find me on Facebook as Steve Voidloss

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Some nice ideas in this thread! cheers :approve:

Agreed - great stuff!