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What would you say if I said...
'Techno is losing it's edge and becoming part of what it so desperately tries not to be. Half the productions that are being made are totally unimaginative, sound the same and most of the people involved in techno are so far up their own arse that they lost in their own dog sh*t. Distributors like Prime (who run labels such as Primate, Primevil etc) are not interested in pushing musical boundaries, they're just interested in what sells. Simply check out the sales notes for certain Prime releases and they seem to be happy about the fact that Judge Jules and Fergie are supporting techno. If we're not careful we're going to lose underground techno as it merges with the mass of Radio 1 crap that comes under the general heading 'dance music'. Once techno merges with commercialism we might as well forget it.'
It's something that is spinning around in my head after a chat with one of the UK's leading techno producers... Let me know what you all think...
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I agree with it totally, and i have been saying this to people for ages who choose not to listen.
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i ain having it. so prime pushes out some boring crap at times and the general public is dumb enough to eat up whatever crap fergie et al are playing this week. someone mentioned to me that he thought beyer's new stuff is dull and that it was over for the swedish scene. i then saw devilfish play a few weeks ago and he was great. sure there's lots of new garbage being sold but there's tons of new releases that are also great.
hardcore will never die
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I agree with krakpot.... yea it's annoying to see it happen but it happens in most things whether it be music television movies or whatever.... a good thing is always exploited by others for a profit... the only consolation is that there is always new music on the horizon and that you will always be ahead of the game!
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i agree that T is asociating more&more with mainstream dance music, i had some thoughts about that too. but in my opinion this comercialization will lead to extreme revolution among the real Techno heads, breaking rhythm to unimaginable, creating sound sicker then ever. every action has it`s own reaction.
i believe that T is the primal music, music that is with us since our consciousness developed and it will be the last music.
it will always be around somewhere, whether in dance form or not.
another thing - about 80% procent of "techno" releases i wouldn`t clasify as Techno at all. It`s just the twisted perception of it in the public eyes that makes ppl think Techno is so popular.
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saying that the type of techno i like would never become commercial, couldn`t see banging surgeon & glenn wilson tracks being played by judge jules etc, neither could i see a rue east track or a shufflemaster track being played in godskitchen.
As for the swedish scene being over, no way....devil fish are excellent and continue to produce some of the best techno around as does beyer & henrik b etc.
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well, you obviously don't listen to j.jules on r1. as an example, he played an Ignitian Technitian/Player track the other week. i listen to his shows as 'research' in the car quite alot. don't ask me why because i end up getting so mad i wanna punch the radio. but yes, he's throws down sims/gaetano/carola on a regular basis.
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jesus! didn`t know it had got that bad!!, that`s not good news... yeah i was listening to a hard house tape in a mates think it was andy farley & he played marco bailey - ipanema & another tune i recognised by cristian varela... i was fuming!, my mate didn`t understand why it bothered me though.
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yes mate, this is getting beyond a joke and it really has to be addressed. there are people in this for the right reasons and there are people in this for the wrong reasons. but at the end of the day, joe public isn't going to care. they're going to hear techno played by the goons who don't understand it and think that that is what it's all about.
i think, as someone mentioned earlier, there's going to be a huge backlash from the underground movement. and i'm convinced this is going to happen soon.
but think about it. good techno productions that the underground are passionate about are now being played commercially in the UK. so FFW a few months and where does the underground look for inspiration if the underground is commercial? ermm...
and i think this could kill techno as we know it - as we all look for something else. but seriously what else is there? commercial dance music is at such a point now that as soon as it's seeing something underground, it's raping it. so what is there?
... perhaps it'll be something that isn't dance music as we know it. it's time for change. a revolution is surely about to happen? but has technology/ internet/ communication got to such a point that underground music cannot survive like it used to? ie any underground is dead before it's even started??
information overload?
Edited by: markeg3000 at: 12/3/02 11:34:20 pm
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I dont think its directly all of technos fault. The other genres have been getting quite stagnant for a long time now, and people are trying to grab at whatever last bit they can to hold peoples attention, and some of those people are turning to techno to get it.
And as this happens, this is when the same old rehashed stuff starts coming out, because its being grabbed up by the people that normally dont go near it, and hear one thing, and want the next 10 things to sound just like it
Techno is going to have to change, and like everyone has mentioned, it is changing around it, and its going to have to go back a little more underground.
Popularity is a very dangerous thing though, as it feeds peoples egos, and diminishes the creative curve at the same time
Mike
You go in hard, and you go in fast.
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the way it is going then i wouldn`t be suprised if we saw a techno track hit the charts!
of all producers i don`t like the way Umek is going, all his recent productions are all cheesey as hell & sound like they were produced in a few mins, nothing original & they all sound the same....shame really as Umek used to be an excellent producer a few years back
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I'll have to agree with everyones comments above, its quite scary what is happening to our techno. What do we do to keep it out of the hands of commercially uneducated djs/distributors?
F**K Prime, I can assure you that they can push their vinyls on the market but not one of their releases will be in this djs crate!!!
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As upsetting as it may be to hear someone like Judge Jules playing our beloved & sacred sounds, what are you really supposed to do?
He tried to claim trance as his own when guys like M-Zone (and Mark EG) were doing all the dirty work.
Perhaps I'm missing the point here, but don't you think its only a matter of time before he moves on to something else?
Don't things like this tend to go in cycles?
In the longrun, Joe-Public is still gonna want that element of cheese in his tunes... And as long as everyone keeps striving to produce tunes as they are, I really think people like Jules are gonna latch their slimy claws into something else....
I predict it will all come to an end after you hear Judge Jules' wife singing over some Pounding Grooves style beats and it fails miserabley.
I personally believe in my heart that hard techno will never be friendly enough to truly become commercial as trance has.
-JOHNNY
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Mark, you're a fuc*ing legend for speaking your mind like this...much respect to you!
What your talking about makes me sick...That's why I like supporting undergroundish labels, like Decomplex Audio, Compressed, Bound and your stuff. I still rate Burkat as one hell of a producer, and hasn't Lars learnt and thing or two from him!
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revolution is imanent, or better to say EVOLUTION.
major part of publicity can listen to this new T simply cause of the fact that isn't Techno as i stated before. it sounds so clear and soft, it's not inovative at all, and T is about inovation. majority can not get the real T cause they fear to face the cruelty truth which it talks about...
......screw the roses, send me the thorns.......
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JJ needs a serious beating. someone get me my nail gun.
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"someone get me my nail gun. "
that's my line @#%$. you scare me. wasn't that like 3 years ago?!
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haha.
could be. i'll let you pull the trigger ok?
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and can I stick razor blades in his eyes whilst you do it?
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Mark I got told that you & julesy were best mates, and you always get together to discuss the newest tiesto tracks
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RIGHT - OUTSIDE NOW.
hehehehehehhehe
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HOW DARE YOU ALL DOUBT ME!! I AM THE FUTURE OF TECHNO!!!, YOU WOULDN`T BE DOING ANY OF THE NASTY STUFF THAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED TO ME!! MY WIFE AMANDA (SHE WAS ANGELIC YA KNOW!) WILL KICK THE @#%$ OUT OF YOU & MY BEZZY MATE DAVE PEARCE WILL SUFFOCATE YOU WITH ONE OF HIS BASEBALL CAPS, AFTER HE ROLLS YOU ANOTHER FAT ONE!
ALL YOU DOUBTERS NEED TO SEE ME IN ACTION, WATCH IN AWE AS I MIX THE FIRST 4 BARS OF TUNE INTO EACH OTHER... WATCH IN DELIGHT AS I MIX UP POP MUSIC, CHEESEY CHART TRANCE & BANGING TECHNO AND GET THOUSANDS FOR IT.
YOU LOT ARE JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE YOU DON`T LOOK LIKE A TWAT IN TIGHT VESTS & YOUR GLASSES AREN`T AS GOOD AS MINE!!
FOR F*CKS SAKE I HAVE A RADIO1 SHOW, THIS OBVIOUSLY MAKES ME THE BEST DJ IN THE WORLD!
Edited by: judge jules1965 at: 12/5/02 12:17:50 am
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My 2 cents..
I really don't care what this or that dodggy geezer plays!!
I play what I feel like, I don't care if it is techno (although I think it is 100%).... Fads come and go...
If it is commercial than just fine, maybe we can finally do what we like and get a little bit of $$ as well lol :P
honestly, what bothers me is that Mark is absolutely right about prime and so many other dist., in fact I said something similar on another topic... Now it's all about sounding like this or that producer, or u r out... but fear now soon other dist. will start gaining ground just like prime in the past when it started supporting stuff no other distr. wanted...
JJ and others alike play what they thing is Koewl and easy... Prime says this is cutting edge, so they believe it!!
I have loads of respect 4 bayer, carola, gaetek, and the likes of' em but I've never bought any 12" just because it was produced by X or Y... either I like the tracks or I don't, so when they do good (4 my personal tastes) I play it... Right now I don't think I play that many records from these guys, cause all releases have the same sound so I kinda grew out of it...
But it really fuc**** 2 seem the key players of distrib. all forgetting how they started... I had a label with Integrale and u really notice what they want 2 push and what they don't even bother 2 try and get out there..
VIVE LA RESISTANCE!!
Z
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LISTEN TO MY SHOW ON SATURDAY ON RADIO 1 & THEN TELL ME I AM NOT THE BEST TECHNO DJ IN THE WORLD!
WHO IS THIS ADAM BEYER EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT ON HERE??, SORRY I HAVE NO INTEREST IN TECHNO & DON`T FOLLOW IT, I JUST PLAY THE TUNES THAT GET SENT TO ME BY LARGE MONEY GRABBING DISTRUBUTION COMPANIES TO LOOK COOL & HIP.
Edited by: judge jules1965 at: 12/5/02 12:22:21 am
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DON`T YOU ALL THINK I LOOK COOL AS FECK!
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YOU KNOW YOU ALL WANT TO BE ME!
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Hello my name is Stefen and I am living in New Jersey, a small town out of NYC. I frequent the local scene an help promote for TronicTreatment. A few friends of mine sent me a link and i found an interest in the subject at hand.
I believe that everything travels in cycles. Everything has a peak point, a neutral point, and then a decline. Sort of like a wave pattern. Well Techno has traveled its course also. Techno had its beggings in the late 80's early 90's. Then progressed steadily with the production of drum machines and reached its peak point in the 90's. Current times have shown a significant decline in advances of the music. This patter is just the natural progression of things. Its the foward movement that keeps Techno from becoming static.
