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Very jaded.
but very funny.
That's hysterical and sad but true for some people.
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like the cd under the table trick
nice
well one option has to be true for everyone :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
i think we've all experienced the "where they all go"
they forgot the "dj your tracks in ableton" approach.
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Originally Posted by Dustin Zahn
you been lookin over my shoulder? :paranoid:
"I reckon there’s something inherently geeky about electronic music when it’s played live. Most of these bands are like Mr ****ing Techno Geek, total gadget freaks and that ain’t me at all. We ain’t geeks, we’re just up for it Essex boys."
Liam Howlett @ DJ Magazine
haha i love it. was funny the other day - was playing somewhere with a pretty well known live pa to about 5000 ppl (they went on after me) and just on my last record a bloke came up and said 'oh just need to sort a few things out' so i gave him my headphones, in went a cd to the cd's. i didn't quite understand what was going on so i finished, the crowd cheered (well, i hope they did haha) the pa was anounced and then the bloke reached across, pressed play on the cd player and turned the fader up. still didn't register what he was doing. so 10 minutes later after saying thanks to the sound crew i returned to the decks and packed up. i thought - shit, i best take that cd out i was playing. pressed eject and the whole room went silent!!! hahaha
imagine the chaos.
it was hilarious watching the pa pretend to be looking for a loose wire whilst the bloke tried frantically to fast forward the cd to the right spot hahahaha :lol:
haha no way!!! ****in ell man!!! thats funny as!!! how embarrasing for them!! and also what a crock.. surely that would be so boring to blag performances like that!!! they must have shat their cacks!!! haha
hahahaha bet the loved you for that...
name and shame mark.. they shouldnt be gettin away with chargin for that
hahahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Zahn
I've seen that crap.
I think it's cheating quite frankly.
i dunno.. i do that. havent gotten a live set ready that i consider good enough but i still wanna play my own trax. rather wait and get a good live set then a half arsed one.Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
but i dont claim its live...
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Originally Posted by MARK EG
No Way!! Thats taking the piss that is!
hee hee! I bet you any money it was someone who sounds a bit like J80... :lol:
Don't want to say too much, but I know... :cheese:
And yes, I thought this cunt was taking the piss with what they charge for a "live" set as well. Joker...
Aha, cheers for the clue Si. It all makes sense now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Si the Sigh
Well, I`ve also seen an act who are kinda like, experimentation facility number four, also do this.
As for DJing your own tracks in ableton as cheating?
Only if you declare it as a live PA. Otherwise it`s just a DJ mix.
i do that to.Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
Blame promoters for that.Quote:
As for DJing your own tracks in ableton as cheating?
Only if you declare it as a live PA. Otherwise it`s just a DJ mix.
Just a bit of salesmen's puff, wouldn't blame the artists entirely.
Not the best "live" set maybe, but are you going to sell your headliners short when promoting a night?
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Originally Posted by dirty_bass
I don't know if it's cheating...but lazy maybe. The only difference between DJing tracks in ableton and DJing midi patterns or audio loops in ableton is pushing a few more buttons. Quite frankly, for the complexity of the music I do there is some stuff that is completely torn apart and there is some stuff that has to be prepared beforehand because it would be impossible for one person to do alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by summerofsam
I will say that I always appreciate a live pa a lot more when they put some effort into it. Live PAs seem to be a lot more popular with minimal guys these days and some of the minimal acts we've had come through with their laptops are real boring. You're lucky if they can be bothered to bring a UC-33 along to use besides the mouse.
Cmon it`s a little more different than just a few buttons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Zahn
I run 12 tracks of audio, plus VST instruments and effects, and it`s a total head**** to keep my head in place for.
I`d love to just casually mix 2 or 3 tracks of full tunes, but it`s a little dishonest to call that a PA.
Although I do bang some fully mixed tunes into my pa to give my head a rest. There`s nowt wrong with a little help now and again.
but only with other people`s tracks ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Miromiric
what is live anyway? there is no live, except for jazz. playing an audio track or a midi triggered sequence is the same.
actually i ve seen some DnB guy who really made shit live, recorded his voiuce on the fly, sampled it to make a bass loop, etc. really cool, but it sounds kinda shitty, if you are not watching what he is doing.
That would be Exile.
yeah tim exile he is. there is a video of his jam somewhere on native instruments webpage.
It's like Ian says...if you don't make it live, how do you really play it live? I'm like you dirty, I have multiple channels and 2 reaktors going and the whole shit but the crowd never really notices any of that at all. I used to get a little more involved but all it really does is please me. So I focused my attention on doing things that would really get the crowd going on the fly rather than being technical.
and exile rules.
Tim built everything he plays on - the software and the hardware.
But even then a lot of what he's doing is just playing his own tracks and effecting them with bespoke effects.
Yea man, both those "live acts" take the piss completely IMO. When questioned about the playing of a CD to a crowd, said J80 replied "I can't play live all the time". WTF? When I said I could play a CD to 1000 people, jumping around behind equipment wearing headphones with no other purpose than to keep my ears warm and charge half the price he was, he looked very hacked off and walked off. Lame! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
but thats the only differance betwwen an ableton dj set and a full live set aswell!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Zahn
unless we go into the realms of orbital, nobody really plays anything live anyway. theres no differance between using vsts or using hardware except for the viuals aspect (which shouldnt matter anyway). vsts still have to be controlled just like a hardware synth does. a virtual mixer still has the same controls as a hardware one.
im using a bcf & bcr 2000 to control ableton these days and i know, from trying to get my live set sorted, that im using nearly every parameter available and im actually thinking about having to use encoder grouping just to get everything i want.
which is why its taking me sooo bloody long. in the mean time im quite happy djing with ableton and throwing in my own full tracks (and loops from them) on the fly..
it is afterall the end product that really counts.
lets just hope that the 'live' radio show doesn't start *ahem* skipping eh marky? :razz:
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Originally Posted by Si the Sigh
:cheese: Get in there Si - you tell 'em!
I chop sections of the tracks
Not just loops
But rhythm sections
Kick sections
Synths
Hats and such
Reconfigure and reconstruct them on the fly.
So what would sound similar to a pre recorded track
Would be the amalgamation of 3 or 4 tracks in fact.
Plus Vst's and Efx.
What I'm really trying to get down is my fire eating show to really impress the crowd
Or even stapling my balls to my leg during a punish track.
That would really get the crowd goin.
so you want to hang out with steveo and johnny knoxville? :):)Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
sounds like you should be getting gigs at the torture garden!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
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i wonder what midi controller hes using to make the music jump whenever he bumps the table . . .
Johnny KnoxvilleQuote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Zahn
He's more a list than Steve-O
Plus Steve O is more prone to fling poo like a monkey.
There's nowt wrong with having a CD on standby like if it all goes tits up, thats just good practice, but the DAT approac h makes me ****ing sick.
As MR punch would say..Quote:
Originally Posted by SummerOfSam
Thats the way to do it!
There's so much to be done in a live set.. the sky really is the limit... its a shame some ****ing losers put no effort in at all.
Best ive seen
Neil Landstruum and his 909 typing method.. :lol:
Surgeon (Fill the screen with loops and play em all - and get shirty when you as him what he's doing.. closing laptop lid etc... dear dear...)
Worst ive seen
Oh man, i cant name names.... that'd be wrong, but they know who they are...
it's really one big secret isn't it?
that electronic music is made by machines and not people
had me fooled for years
all i have to do now is get a midi retrofit for the kettle
and my studio will officially be the first in the world to make the tea.
Gah.... I was really upset when I found this out about experimentation facility number four..Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
Wax Mag had a promo CD with their stuff on back in the day, and I thought it was great...
Cheatin' ****ards was what I said :( most dischuffed!
If I had been there, and if it wasn't 4 sparing a thought for all the poor punters out there, I would have been tempted to press the stop button DELIBERATELY!! :mad:
Couldnt you get the toaster to cross modulate it?Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
BTW mines milk n 2 please chief...
Errr.Quote:
Originally Posted by davethedrummer
You could call it the Kenton Magdafit.
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Originally Posted by dodgyedgy
possibly..
you could wire the "brown" setting of the toaster to the kettle and control the boil duration with it
and if i set the washing machine on a slow cycle i could use that as an lfo to modulate the toaster..........and the worlds first cross patchable modular kitchen was born :)
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im staying in the old skool, im just bashing pots and pans together with the odd wooden spoon thrown in
so you like a bit of the ol Jungle Tekno mate? :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzVhwM8OYqE
SPL, Limewax, Panacea, Evol Intent i Dylan having fun with their laptops :cheese: