What do you think? Any comments much appreciated too!!
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What do you think? Any comments much appreciated too!!
i think its a good idea get some ppl involved ;)
In true Corbzy fashion I say:
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**** THE PRESS...
Don't know the UK press that well.
From what I've heard though, it influences the scene over there in a major way.. Seems like MoS, Mixmag has alot of power. (Both still being released?)
Hyping in the past of everything from trance, techno and tribal to hardhouse hasn't been good at all though..
Take each genre:
Hardhouse shouldn't have gotten a drop worth of attention at all. Luckily it has been destroyed by hype. Same way it destroyed the trance-scene over here.
Techno didn't need the attention either, but of of course in another way. Seeing superstar progressive house DJs starting to drop brilliant techno and make it their own newfound flavour, has annoyed me alot. Seeing skilled people like Umek starting to remix and release on Black hole just isn't right.
Tribal got a huge lift over here and every bandwagon progressive/breaks DJ suddenly loved Samuel L Session and Ben Sims.. Just not ****in right.. This is the soulful funky tech, people have been loving for ages because of quality and underground feel.
The worst story though is the story of trance. Even the term has been abused over since the early 90s. Then processed, violated and raped in the most hideous manner. The sole reason why us trancers get so much shit is because of the promotional intercourse the press had with it. Hype, hype, hype. How can such a class genre, end up being equivalent to the word cheese? Alot more work is needed to restore the image of how good trance can actually be.
Heh, seems like alot of reasons not to bring the media into the loop. However attention could be good. I know for a fact the growth of trance in 1997/1998/1999 brought alot of skilled producer into genre...
Then again, it might make alot of unwanted producers and DJs to brand the style as their own..
I really hate like seeing half the hardhouse community turning
hardtrancy..
Read an interview with three highly profiled UK hardhousers, they all stated that they spun hardtrance & hardstyle.. :nono:
To me that's a ****in disgrace.. Been comitting my life to this genre for close to 4 years now. IF ANYTHING WHATSOEVER has contributed to destroy the huge trance community that was here, it's hardhouse. One after another promoter turned Tidy and in the end there was no more trance. Courtesy of the press hyping good things into pieces.
Hard to tell what's the best.
Luckily we have committed and responsible Producers/DJs like yourself Mark, to handle this the right way! Hehe.
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old topic (!!!!) BUT
well said mate, well said. that made a very interesting read and much of what you say is very true indeed. i see your point about promoters turning tidy and thereforehard trance goes out of the window. interesting -i'd never thought of this before like that. but now i think many of the clubs are wising up to monotonous hard house and readdressing the balance. i also see your point about hardhouse dj's now saying they play hard trance and hardstyle. tbh, i think music evolves, hard housers are allowed to say they play something else if they want to but i don't believe many of the recent converts can truly say they play hard trance and hardstyle. more like hardstyle and slightly melodic hardstyle if you ask me. plus they don't understand how to journey their sets - which is one of the keys to hard trance i reckon. mind you this may shift but it's up to the ppl who LIVE this music to stuggle to show ppl the way. ;)
There just huge glossy adverts funded by the superclubs. Why pay nearly a fiver for that shite.
Get voted club of the year...my arse!!! If ya have the money to pay for that title.
I think things need a boost. Maybe mags can do it. Maybe not.
Kiss of death imo.
tell them nothing keep it real keep it underground :rambo:
bring back the party people the true ravers not the paper readers who just want to slag of the scene
keep it underground :cool:
Does anyone who likes underground music actually buy these mags???
Reviews that are months out of date? Which drugs are in fashion? What music style is in fashion..... blah blah blah
Have the writers have no interest in hard dance music and write about scens they have no concept of.
It's the sheep leading the sheep!
Proberly the most difficult question in clubland.
Its so difficult to find the right balance on this subject that I'm not gonna give my opinion cause I could talk all day about pros and cons for both sides.
The only thing I will mention is that every option and decision would need some serious thought.
If it was up to me I would ask for advice and help to answer this question from someone who has experience of the scene like no other and has been at the fore front since day dot...................
So Mark wot do you think?
I think the music press need a really big rethink on there attitude to dance music. They treat it as a fashion accesory and dump it for the next craze....then they harp on about the end of dance culture.
Was reading and interview with ID+T and they refer to dance music as the next rock and roll with it only just getting started. They actually see it as being that long term.
Why do the dance mags have such as short term view? Discarding musical genres as and when it suits them. Just to sell a few more issues??!!
Dance magazines should be written by people into the muisc not using it as a press pass just to get high.
I would be really up for starting a Mag with some people...I write reviews etc and I would love to write articles for a PROPER underground Trance and Techno magazine.....
Maybe an Idea? :eh:
Blackout Audio monthly...25p in all good record stores... ;) :roll: :lol:
no really, I think its a wicked idea!
...wasn't dissing it was i? :eh: yea, it would be a good idea. but i think upfront & implant have it covered! ;)
well maybe a blackout mag? :lol:
youl have to give vorny 2 pages at the back to put what he likes on hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by DJ Corbzy
He would just cover it in smilies.. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by emotioncomplex
ha ha! :clap: you just know he would! :lol: here's an extract from Vorney's page:
;) :lol: :cry: :roll: :!: :twisted: :evil: :shock: :eh: :neutral: :rambo: :oops: :dontevengothere: :doh: :clap: :?: :love: :nono: :cool: :crackup: and coming next month: :crackup: :cool: :nono: :love: :dontevengothere: :doh: :clap: :?: :oops: :rambo: :neutral: :eh: :!: :twisted: :evil: :shock: ;) :lol: :cry: :roll:
:lol:
lol! haha, plus a random picture in the middle
...oh yea! i forgot that!! :lol: we love you really Vorney you random fu*ker!! ;) :lol:
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DONT U JUST LOVE IT WHEN A PLAN COMES TOGETHER
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I AINT GETTIN ON NO PLAIN CORBZ U FOOL :neutral: :doh:
hahahaha u nut case :twisted:
or perhaps a blackout qoute book of all the cool qoute's and top messages that so many of you post on here for people like me to read and enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Corbzy
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yeah... :clap:
i voted tell them nothing. lets keep it a secret ;)
dont give the press anything.
press can suck dick for all i care.
tell em to f uck off! :rambo:
stuff the press :protest:
oi some members of the press are alright (:shock:)
I don't understand the question.... or at least I'm having problems with understanding why anyone would want to tell someone where to go who is interested in writing an article about a genre. Surely the best reply would be one that is well thought out and one that can't be mis-interepted.
If a magazine or music paper wishes to express an interest in promoting a scene of music what advantage would a bad attitude take of tell them to f-off achieve? It seems very rude and arrogant. As if to say "sorry, you would just mess things up and give the music a bad image if we let you write about it" ?????? Please someone explain this topic a bit better to me! - I really am not understanding what this is about.
Perhaps I'm completely missing the point, but I think press are better off receiving accurate information rather than being told where to go. I just can't understand that attitude.
People seem to feel commercialism as a some sort death penalty to a genre. It isn't. It's just a term used for when a genre becomes more about being made for profit than for the entertainment. I do not believe commercialism is possible to individual tracks, but possibly to be mis-represented in commercial purposes (i.e tv advertising the best of a CD of a genre).
Just that if I was a journalist and asked a host of music lovers about there genre for a magazine to review and was told to f-off as some of you had put it, I would assume you were a arrogant and selfish bunch. But as I know better, I can only pressume you have some sort of reason for reacting that way, can any of you please explain to me why you would take that attitude when asked for info about the genre you like?????
Sorry, just shocked at some of the negative attitudes here, theres nothing wrong with that just I thought we were a bit more helpful and respectful to the media than that. I admit publicity can go very wrong, but it hardly changes anything to the people involved in the scene, just the people who aren't.
The moment you try to hide something in music and turn it in to a secret the more I think you've missed the point about music.
Please people respond, help me understand your views.
sorry if any of that sounds harsh, I'm not at all having a go at anyone and never will do on this board... ;)
Look what happened early this year with the Hardstyle article in Mixmag, Mark eg decided to give them a chance and gave them an acurate description of what Hardstyle is an where it came from, what its influences are etcQuote:
If a magazine or music paper wishes to express an interest in promoting a scene of music what advantage would a bad attitude take of tell them to f-off achieve? It seems very rude and arrogant. As if to say "sorry, you would just mess things up and give the music a bad image if we let you write about it" ?????? Please someone explain this topic a bit better to me! - I really am not understanding what this is about.
What happened? they completely distorted and changed his words to fit a pretty picture that suited them. They didnt give a shit if it was the truth or not.
Surely you havent forgotten that already mate.
(this isnt directed at anyone in particular)
All Ive heard lately on this board is that music is not ours to say who can listen to it an all that crap. So why on earth should it be anyone elses to package & sell off as theirs an make thousands of pounds off.
The way I see it is that we have a right to defend the music we love and work so hard to discover an keep moving. The fact we give up the chance to make loads of money playing the flavour of the month style and instead choose to work 9-5 jobs to get money to pay for records, afford music equipment and put on events for the sound.
Then we see these big international brands come along, sweep it up & sell it as their own. If their success actually helped the people who are involved in scene theyve robbed it would be Ok but it doesnt.
Which in conclusion is effectivly why I dont see any reason to tell the media anything, it doesnt and wouldnt help the true hardtrance scene in anyway whatsoever. It would just help fuel the superclubs and organisations' poor commercial equivilents even more.
Ok, I take that on board, but what blind bit of different did it make except for make Mixmag look like prats?
I mean has hardstyle honestly been effected or changed by mixmag?
Yeah fair enough, as far as I can see it didnt effect Hardstyle.
But surely its an ideal example of why to tell them as little as possible or nothing at all. We need to remember that all theyre doing is lucking after themselves and not trying to help promote other scenes they know very little about.
If they were trying to help I would be more than happy for them to be informed, for example I would have been happy for Wax Magazine to be told as they seemed to be trying to do good, they had an excellent article about what was really happening in the Hardcore scene, something I never saw anywhere else, all the other mags declared it dead and wasnt Mark the editor or something aswell?
Thats the type of promotion the underground scenes need not magazines what are more concerned with what colour thong Fergie wore in February etc etc
I can accept perhaps telling as little as possible, although I fear that is what leads to magazines filling in the gaps themselves.
Although yes, I do agree magazines like Mixmag are a fashion accessory to the clubber more than a decent and reliable source of underground music information.
I don't buy any music magazines except for computer ones, as they don't cater in my opinion for the underground world.
Do any of you honestly buy these mags?