M-Zone's hardstyle vs. Mark EG's hardstyle & hardtrance.

I really want to try & like this hardstyle sound, but I can't! At the weekend I heard the worst set I have EVER heard. M-Zone (who I really do like, Mick's a sound bloke, and has always been an influential DJ & got me into hard trance). EVERY tune sounded the same! Same old same old bassline and those god damn awful almost hard house sounding hoovery type stabs and sounds. Even when he was mixing and swaping basslines you couldn't tell the basslines apart in places. ARGH! It's so formulated its like a HARDER hard house! Sorry I have to say it. Not in the slightest bit impressed. Mark played a wicked set, a mixture of hardstyle & hard trance, dropping Drucks & Fusion's (just 2 labels I can remember seeing & hearing) and his set was wicked, with the tunes being interesting. One of the best sets i've heard him play in a long time in my opinion. At the moment, all I can see & hear is DJ's trying to play it harder & faster all the time and to me its sounding shite! Like I said M-Zone just did nothing for me at all. Is he just picking gash tunes? I really liked what Mark played. HELP! Hardstyle heads please give me a list of tune I can check out, something that isn't full of the same old shit. Give me tunes to check out that are original or do something different. By the way, sorry this post is so negative towards hardstyle & M-Zone, but it's just that I don't get it... :oops:

si have a listen to my anger management mix its probably as hard as ill go because i prefer hardtrance but theres a mixture of stuff on it.

http://www.djjaym.co.uk/music.htm

I understand what your saying Si. Have heard a few bad hardstyle sets myself. It's variety I look for and alot of hardstyle can be mind numbing :crackup: :nono:

If ya click my signature there is a hardstyle set by Minge you can download.

Tell us what you think.

Here's a track listing.

Hardstyle breakdown:

Time
Track no, Artist, Title, Label.

0:00
1. Blutonium Boy - Make It Loud - Blutonium
4:22
2. Tommy Pulse - Land Of The Lost - Stealth Industries
8:22
3. Skam - Close Your Eyes - Suntec
12:08
4. Atlantic Wave - Reforced - Dance Pollution
15:39
5. Ard und Jorn - 16 - Stik
18:45
6. K-Traxx - Hardventure - Titanic
22:58
7. Citizen - Bangin Man - BLQ
25:44
8. Jam - Right On! - Sound Barrier
28:57
9. Temper Temper - I Will Be Master - Stealth Industries
33:12
10. High Voltage - Bombs Away - Sys-X
37:37
11. Rexanthony - Kannabis Free (Dancefloor Mix) - Hitland
42:25
12. Temper Temper - To Be As One - Stealth Industries
45:16
13. Aikon - Mobile Tones - Suntec
47:54
14. Schwarzende - Bow Wow - Italian Masters Of Hardstyle
50:57
15. Tronik - Sensational - Suntec
54:10
16. Mindcontroller - Mindcontroller - Sys-X

yeah mix it up and choose your tracks carefully - that's what i say. si i'm really pleased you noticed what i played and even more pleased that you commented on it like this. i love hardstyle alot but tooo much of it and tbh to much of anything is so bloody annoying. i've been really trying to mix things up recently. nice 1 si.

I have to say that I didn't hear anything exciting on saturday either. I havn't seen Mark or M-Zone play for a long time and on saturday I really wasn't impressed :cry: Its not like it used to be.

Top thread Si.

I think this goes back to the Hardstyle Bye Bye thread on here.

I think its very hard to come out with a quality Hardstyle set no matter how talented you are. Even if it was easy why would we want to do it anyway?

Hardstyle is a tool I use regulary but so is Hard Trance and Techno.

Depending on where, wot time and who you playing after and before depends the set that gets constructed.

Up here I'm known mainly as a Hardstyle DJ but when I play down the South West at Club Diversity etc I play Trance, Hard Trance with a pinch of Hardstyle.

Keeping it mixed enables you put some personality into your sets.

Tim

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Originally Posted by MARK EG

yeah mix it up and choose your tracks carefully - that's what i say. si i'm really pleased you noticed what i played and even more pleased that you commented on it like this. i love hardstyle alot but tooo much of it and tbh to much of anything is so bloody annoying. i've been really trying to mix things up recently. nice 1 si.

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If i'm 100% honest with you Mark, as much as I love you to bits (you cunt) your sets have done nothing for me since the 'birth' of hardstyle. I have longed for you to play sets like you used to play at the Country Club, where you would spin the most awesome hard trance & techno to us and keep us hooked, waiting to hear what was coming next and fu*king lapping up your mixing skills. That set at GBH was the best set you've played for ages in my opinion. It had all the old Mark EG elements and kept me hooked. Sod the MC'ing, I just wanted to get on the dance floor, so thats where I went! The tunes you played, that one by Zany on Fusion (I think) was quality. A bit of hardstyle & hardtrance rule breaking going on there & elements that caught me out. Bits of the tune I was expecting to follow the usual formula didn't, and I loved it! And the hardstyle you did play sounded different & mixed up very well with the trance monsters you were dropping. And like I said, no disrespect to Mick at all, but his set was awful. Just noise, nothing clever or insperational, nothing attention grabbing, just 'bang bang bang' same old same old bassline, breakdown, harsh nasty almost hoovey stabs, big stuttery vocal that sticks, then 'bang bang bang' time & time again with the same tired sounds. Boring! I don't want to hear harder hard house. I want to be excited by a DJ, I want to be inspired, blown away by the tunes that are played. Mark, you did that in the short amount of time you were on the decks at the weekend (late again cunty bollocks!) and you've made me look forward to hearing you again. This isn't me trying to brown nose, ass lick or score Brownie points, this is just me saying you fu*king did it for me at the weekend! Keep that shit up! ;)

Don't get too bogged down in putting things into genres though. I've said this before, i'll say it again - a hardstyle set can be varied. Take Dj Zany - Sky High, is it hardstyle or hard trance? It has a hardstyle formula with a hard trance break, so what do you call it? Does it really matter? All that matters is whether you like it or not. If I play that, am I mixing my genres? Should I be concerned in the middle of a set that i've played all tunes that would be called hardstyle and suddenly start playing trance because it's a solid rule that you have to mix a set for it to be good? Of course not. There are good sets and bad sets, there are no set rules on what you should play, read the crowd. M Zone obviously didn't. It sounds like he played badly.

Quite a coincidence that you mention Sky High I was writing that as you posted yours :!:

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Originally Posted by Voorheez

Quite a coincidence that you mention Sky High I was writing that as you posted yours :!:

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mate, that the first bit of 'hardstyle' that i've though, "fu*king hell, i'm going to have to get a copy of that". wicked tune! :clap:

Mark i have a tape hear with you and mzone on the mark eg and mzone experience it was called anyway there where tunes on with mad hoover sounds them tunes where top quality m8 trance then hard trance came into it l8rs on the set.uv done dat many raves and heared that much vinyle u dont have a clue what am chattin lol
:lol: ;) :twisted:

Spoony - fair enough you didn't buzz a much as probably you have done before but it's silly when ppl say 'it's not like it used to be'. if i had a penny for everytime i thought that, i'd be a milliionare - and definitely not be djing with the passion i have now. it's a shame things move on but they do and that's what so exciting about it all surely?

I do see what you mean Mark, there is no point dwelling on the past because that was then and this is now. but on saturday no dj in the main room really did anything for me. Im not trying to sound like a boring twat but I also find it very hard to get into hardstyle, to me there seems that there's just not much originality in the sound. I agree that m-zones set was v.poor which did disapoint me a little and to be honest it must be the first time ive seen you play and dislike it, but this is just my opinion. There was a dancefloor full of ppl having it so its clearly not your doin, I really do miss the quality of tunes that used to be made and all I can say about this is that I hope that the producers that once did it, do it again or some fresh talent makes something happen. On a different note the techno tune right at the end was more like it......I seem to be stuck in a rut at the moment, there's two techno events in S.Wales once a month...which just isn't enough!! and the events that used to support the Hard Trance sounds seem to have ****ed it off for hardstyle.......

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Originally Posted by MARK EG

Spoony - fair enough you didn't buzz a much as probably you have done before but it's silly when ppl say 'it's not like it used to be'. if i had a penny for everytime i thought that, i'd be a milliionare - and definitely not be djing with the passion i have now. it's a shame things move on but they do and that's what so exciting about it all surely?

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I think people are scared of change, and don't like it when things are different, I admit I'm one of them....

Im not scared of a change at all I went from Hard Trance to Techno. Its just if something is gunna change surely it has to be better than the thing its replacing?

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Originally Posted by Spooney

Im not scared of a change at all I went from Hard Trance to Techno. Its just if something is gunna change surely it has to be better than the thing its replacing?

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Spot on Brother, and Hardstyle is not better than its descendents....I'm sorry but it's true....

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Im not scared of a change at all I went from Hard Trance to Techno. Its just if something is gunna change surely it has to be better than the thing its replacing?

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Spot on Brother, and Hardstyle is not better than its descendents....I'm sorry but it's true....

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i tried my best to get into its sound and there was stuff coming out that i genuinly liked but im talking about 5 tracks in the last 15 months or something.

it just doesnt have the depth for me, although the oppurtunity is there to make it theres very few producers making any attempt to push for it.

I think whats killed it for me is that its been classed as a whole genre there for an eruption of releases came shortly after all using the new buzz word most of ehich had been obviously knocked out in a day, if left alone as just the harder side of trance/tech trance i think it would of complemented the sound well.

hardstyle came about as a way to expand on the sound and move it forward into a genre but i think it has just ended up spoling what could of been quite good.

i dont dislike all hardstyle but i havent heard anything too original sporting its name of late, perhaps a victim of its own success?

just my opinion of late anyway

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Originally Posted by Spooney

Im not scared of a change at all I went from Hard Trance to Techno. Its just if something is gunna change surely it has to be better than the thing its replacing?

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Spot on Brother, and Hardstyle is not better than its descendents....I'm sorry but it's true....

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predecessors you mean, dipshit :lol:

let's get back to the topic if we can but yeah you're right.. hardstyle has all started to imitate itself. in a way, some of it reminds me of hard house and i'm 100% not into hard house personally. but there IS some good stuff out there - the different stuff... it's just a nightmare to find it. we're alll going through change i reckon - we're all moving on. fair play.. let's keep going. loads of ppl will move different ways and go in different directions but at the end of the day we're all into music and we all deserve respect for that. let's keep searching - that's what's exciting :)

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at the end of the day we're all into music and we all deserve respect for that. let's keep searching - that's what's exciting :)

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ahmen to that brother :twisted:

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we're alll going through change i reckon - we're all moving on. fair play.. let's keep going. loads of ppl will move different ways and go in different directions but at the end of the day we're all into music and we all deserve respect for that. let's keep searching - that's what's exciting

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if we all liked the same thing, and we all went the same way with our musical tastes, things would become pretty dull i reckon. its all about individuality too imo, thats what keeps things exciting :)

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Originally Posted by MARK EG

at the end of the day we're all into music and we all deserve respect for that. let's keep searching - that's what's exciting :)

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never a truer thing said ;)

its like porn u gotta look for the good sites and go through all the crap ones :lol: :lol: ;)

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Originally Posted by MARK EG

let's get back to the topic if we can but yeah you're right.. hardstyle has all started to imitate itself. in a way, some of it reminds me of hard house and i'm 100% not into hard house personally. but there IS some good stuff out there - the different stuff... it's just a nightmare to find it. we're alll going through change i reckon - we're all moving on. fair play.. let's keep going. loads of ppl will move different ways and go in different directions but at the end of the day we're all into music and we all deserve respect for that. let's keep searching - that's what's exciting :)

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Respect due for your comments Mark, and if you can keep pulling out those different & exciting tunes your going to sure as fu*k keep my fat sweaty arse locked on the dance floor! :rambo: :clap:

Sorry if I sounded dis-respectful that's not what I was trying to do...

no you were saying your opinion mate.. fantastic!!! keep it coming!

Well from this thread & Marks set on Saturday, I have gone out & bought the said DJ Zany tune from GT. Thats the sort of thing im after, something different & a cross over between hardstyle & hard trance. I'm hoping the next time I hear you play Mark you can educate me further. :clap:

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Originally Posted by Spooney

Im not scared of a change at all I went from Hard Trance to Techno. Its just if something is gunna change surely it has to be better than the thing its replacing?

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Spot on Brother, and Hardstyle is not better than its descendents....I'm sorry but it's true....

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predecessors you mean, dipshit :lol:

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sorry cunthead...

thats alright wank face :lol:

mark eg and m-zone have ALWAYS had their different approach to trance/hardstyle music.


they're both the best, they just do things differently.

yeah agreed wenna

right everyone buy mixmag and educate oursleves! :lol:

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Originally Posted by mattshephard

right everyone buy mixmag and educate oursleves! :lol:

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THROW IT ALL INTO THE POT!!! It always imo gives u the most exciting outcome wether it tastes shite or amazing....

i think its gonna come down to the djs who can collect tracks that allow them to cross many genres in a set personally!

In one style (apart from club trance right now imo) can u find enough varied tracks and quality tracks at that to play in a set, u just cant!!!

For me its

TRANCE 2 HARDTRANCE 2 BITS OF TECH 2 HARDSTYLE 2 HARD TECH

With bits of tribally party tech like LARS KLEIN AND MAX WALDER in there....

this is like the debate of house-heads. Some prefer the (in my opinion) boring progressive side, whereas the others prefer the more funky stuff. I suppose it depends how much you love yourself and how cool you think you are. No offence M-zone, but i really do find some of your sets boring, bring back the uplifting breakdowns!!!!!

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Originally Posted by dj vorny

its like porn u gotta look for the good sites and go through all the crap ones :lol: :lol: ;)

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trust you to come out with that!!! :lol: