I found this group on facebook looks like a lot of people are getting sick of Minimal
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2339928170&ref=ts
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I found this group on facebook looks like a lot of people are getting sick of Minimal
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2339928170&ref=ts
The minimal is so bored,I always compared it with a faucet half open with little drops falling.
some people must like it though,cos it's got a following.
I have an idea,and I know it sounds batshit crazy,but if people don't like something,then they don't have to go out and dance to it,or buy the music.
or they could just sit around and bitch about it........
On a forum?
whoever heard of such a thing. :lol:
thank god there's so much innovative dark and hard techno, that will be our weapon
right :coffee:
Music is Music. Some like certain types, some don't. Opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one.
wow all of ermmm 190 members...
you know what,
i really don't see the point of hating on a style of music. i used to do it myself, and i put it down to insecurity and boredom. if you believe your music is best, why waste your energy? put it into your own music and bring something positive to the table instead of stroking yourself under your computer desk.
maaaan some people must be spending a fooooooortune on tissues ;)
Insecure Twats.
yeah, i thought all this mnml bitching was already passe
Agreed, it's more productive to write or buy or support what you like than it is to naysay another genre altogether, regardless of what you think is hot, there is someone out there that cannot wait to hear the newest track on we are or syndikaat or the likes.
i dont hate minimal i just dont understand... its been hoggin the dance scene in waterford for a while now... too long ... but word from a few new promtors startin here ... some different for a change
just became a fan of urs darkmode.. anyone else on facebook?
Hahaha, yeah I had to put up with a fair bit of bitching from minimal peeps about hard techno. tbh this sort of backlash is bound to happen if a genre becomes elitest, which you've only got to look at the m-nus lot promotional tactics to see what I mean.
I can't remember the last time I heard panik attack in a minimal set anyway :)
ill tell you what. there is some amazing minimal out there - check out format b's new album "steam circuit".. it bloody rocks
i love both..
check my mixes.. 01 is stripped back proper mnml & 02 is hammering hard bests..
i think theres a huge misread in the use of the term.. mnm, imo, is not what most ppl are claimin.. mnml is the sound of Basic Channel & earlier Plastikman & Mike Ink..
i like both.. but only the good stuff. i think theres as much 'bad' hard techno as there is mnml..
and what is 'bad' anyways.. surely its only subjective, therefore there is no right or wrong.. only what you do or dont like.
Voltaire in the house y'all!
Where's Adverse when you need him!
minimal is shit,, but it is also good..
can it be?????
I dont know, to me, I like the fact that minimal :
1. tends to make great use of open space with good use of the frequency spectrum, particularly low-end.
2. there is a loose feel to the sequencing, and hence has a laid back effect on the dancefloor.
3. with the more innovative minimal out there, the better producers tend to use simple ideas in creative ways that you often find yourself saying "damn, its so simple, but so ****ing sick...why didnt I think of that"... this of course is dependent on the quality of the production....
4. most importantly, its easier for a wider "hip" audience to digest. This wider audience, isn't as sophisticated of a listener to the music, but just wants some nice grooves to get down to...i.e. chicks can tolerate it.
Now those who know me well know me for playin harder stuff, and I still primarily do, but like to balance things out by playin minimal-ish type stuff....but it depends on the situation I'm in.
just my 2 cents.
to right baz....i have a shit load of nails techno and loads of quality minimal....minimal is a more laid back approach to techno but that doesnt make it shit...some people just have very narrow minds....big ups to all styles...if they groove then you move!...its that simple..
Reckon theres a lot of truth been written right there, Minimal is generally easily driven by the sound system and the ladies definitely get on with it better.
Dont get me wrong though I do love rocking up to a proper Techno night with my mates and getting nicely hammered. But I do think Minimal takes a lot of stick, Minimal doesnt have to be withdrawn uninvolving plink-plonk all night long.
Horses for courses I guess.
schranz also gets a lot of stick... but sure if dont like it dont listen it . thats wat i do with minimal. sorted!
Not really into schranz and if there's too much of it in the shop i might have a grumble to myself,but no big deal.You just except thats what's at the forefront right now and search more or leave it till next month.
If they want to make an anti-minimal group fair play.I'm sure you could find lots of groups like this regarding all genres. I agree that it does seem like a waste of time though.
*3. with the more innovative minimal out there, the better producers tend to use simple ideas in creative ways that you often find yourself saying "damn, its so simple, but so ****ing sick...why didnt I think of that"... this of course is dependent on the quality of the production....*
yes i agree with this too
but then thats really relevant to all music wouldn't you say?
anyway for what it's worth EVERYWHERE i go at the moment people are not just moaning about the music itself ie: minimal.
but they are moaning about how ALL their favorite clubs/ DJs are playing either minimal or electro now, and they don't have any choice any more , that seems to be the main gripe.
and i can see where they are coming from.
I was in Belgium on Friday and people were positively frothing about what i was doing
mainly because they'd not heard it before.
it wasn't just me playing to a bunch of acid techno heads who knew all the tracks,
no these were kids who are genuinely fed up with everyone playing the same thing
and just wanted to hear something different for a change.
there does seem to be a bit of a backlash going on i must admit.
yeah i got a similar reaction in Copenhagen last month. "The kids want techno" goes the saying, but they're having trouble finding it
+1. I wouldn't bitch about it half as much if our town wasn't saturated with the tripe.
Same reason that I hate Deep Spunky House too. The toughest machoest chavvy scumbags in the town listen to the gayest of the gayest music ever to penetrate your ear arse.
This guys response to the minimal haters of the group made me chuckle! :lol:
''ONE THING IS FOR SURE.....THIS GROUP IS THE BIGGETS PILE OF SHITE I HAVE EVERY HEARD OFF. (WANKERS) IF YOU ARE SO CALLED 'FANS OF ELECTRONIC MUSIC' THEN SURELY SLAGGING OFF A GENRE OF MUSIC THAT FITS INTO ELECTRONIC MUSIC IS A ****IN DISGRACE AND SHOWS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE NO ****IN IDEA OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. (WANKERS)JUST BECAUSE YOU ****IN BOZO'S DONT LIKE THE MINAMALISTIC APROACH TO MUSIC DOES IT MEAN YOU HAVE TO TRY AND SPOIL IT FOR THE REST OF THE KIDS WHO DO. (WANKERS) IF MINIMAL MUSIC IS SO POOR, THEN PRAY TELL WHY THERE WAS SUCH AN UPROAR THIS YEAR WHEN DC10 WAS CLOSED FOR THE BEST PART OF THE SEASON, NOT BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTED TO GET BLITZED AND LISTERN TO TECHNO. (WANKERS) YES, THERE IS A TIME AND A PLACE FOR TECHNO, GETTING WACKED OUT ON A HANDFUL OF JACKIES AND GOING YOUR ENDS IS CERTAINLY A LOT OF FUN BUT AT 8 IN THE MORNING WHEN THE SUN IS BLAZING A MAXIMUS DOSAGE OF MINIMAL MUSIC IS WHAT THE DOCTOR ORDERED (WANKERS).
SUMMARY: **** YOU WANKERS XX''
i think how its mixed is also important.i mix it the same as techno,or try too, and when things go well its an absolute pleasure to mix minimal tunes or even tech house,bags of fun and sounds sweet. mit post a mix up here soon actually once i get my recording thingy to start working!!
:lol: he certainly told them (wankers)
yes I agree with ya Henry, but the stuff that you guys make usually has me goin... " shit, I can't even begin to conceptualize how you did that..." which has just as much of an impact to me really. LOL.
What's interesting is that here in the states, minimal takes a back seat to electro house .... just like a lot of European cats made that sharp left back in 03, a lot of good American DJ's made a sharp right and went Electro...
i found this also. in waterford house is fairly big but now a days the house djs are mixing minimal techno the same way they mix house (how does this make sense) so all the techno heads find it hard to get into. in german i seen a minimal dj in the U-Bar and I really enjoyed it music was minimal but the mixing was excited . i have mixed house for some of my mates bdays (not to much) , danny you were there too ... we had to just mix it really filthy to be able to put up with it , i hate standing around waiting for the track to be nearly over.
basically mixing house wishing it was techno as follows
http://file046a.bebo.com/17/large/20...680162998l.jpg
ha ha
:lol: the head on me! Yeah man, at the end of the night we started with the techno. Ah, that was a good night actually.
they wont have any trouble finding it at our night....we got a bit of everything for everyone....and im playing a bit of minimal and down-tempo techno to wind things up....its all about the moderation to balance a good night out!....
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right on, mark. Nothing appeals to everyone, and one person's shit is another person's manure, so to speak.
however, deep down, most minimal-haters in the techno world are really just deeply insecure about the fragmentation and decline in their much-loved and much-treasured scene, and see minimal as a threat.
come on guys, it's just musical evolution in action! get over it! techno is living, growing, it's not a static thing, locked in the past. if it can't handle a bit of variation in style across the genre then i'm not... er... right.
anyhow, back to those old orbit mixes thud thud thud thud...
i think Dave the drummer hit the nail on the head for me anyway, there's not enough of variety in our city, too much minimal around here compared to a few years back ... there is a lot of variety in peoples taste here just been force fed minimal all the time is not good for the techno scene
To be honest when the "minimal" thing first hit i was one of the people who was'nt into it it seemed to infect online stores like juno so that every other tune was some sripped back blippy bloppy thing... but i was more i wasnt giving it the time of day to realize that it is just a form of the music i love so much that is techno. In time ive been lucky enough to go to some amazing events and get hold of some amazing music on the more minimal side... I'm not saying im now a minimal dj or anything like that ...im a techno dj and im proud to stand up and say that in any place or time till the day i die... and given the chance i will play the sickest dark twisted techno known to man... but the world is a vast place and people like all diffrent forms of techno and i really want to be able to do a set of music that works in whatever event i am in. To be fair ive maybe played only a few more minmal sided sets always slipping in likes of bas mooy and christian wunch over the top of likes of alex bau to give it a darker hard edge, but never the less there is a minimal feel to some of my sets.
Minimal has been around since the start of techno , I played with hood the other month and that guy has been banging out ruff "minimal" sets since i was in school haha. Richie Hawtin records ive got from the 90's are such simple minimal ... this is not a new music it is just now it is in the main stream and thus all the big techno artists now move to where they can make a living and play to the biggest crowds. And as that happens more good music is made and it grows. The down side is a lot of the big "harder" techno djs have now moved to making just minimal and so has knock on effect that not such high sales in our side of the market ... but lets be fair it gives us all shoes to fill gaps in the market and sets to play as a lot of those guys and there music shaped "harder" techno and with out them it gives us chance to move the music forward in our way.
To say you hate minimal is fair enough each to there own ... i would be a fool to tell anyone there wrong as i felt the same at first... i was like was is this crap but once i gave it time it grew on me and there is a reason why it is so massive... its quite good. Also main thing is in my eyes ... is it not better the kids get into minimal first rather than trance as then sooner or later they are going to want it harder ... im seeing it now people goin "I dont like minimal im into techno now" to be fair they dont have a clue and there just doing the fad thing and trying to stay to cool for school by saying it but the truth is they are already into techno if they like minimal they are just looking for a little more and thats where we come in with our pounding techno music hehe!
Word. I was about to ask for specific examples of this stuff people hate.
I got into Guido Schneider and Gaiser and the like two years or so ago, around a time nobody else I knew had heard of it, and I still think some of their output to be works of genius.
Then, all of a sudden it became something that people "hate" or something... not sure why.
mate that really struck a chord with me today. i thought about all the shit i ever think about that is techno. and basically, it's every music imaginable that makes me think a certain way. i just can't describe it, but it's stuff that makes me think, makes me challenge myself. i suppose the whole fact that i got into production doesnt help cause i'm constantly thinking about what is wrong with the eq of whatever. damn it drives me nuts. :)
amoungst other things, i'll often flick over to radio 3 in the car on a weekend during gigs on a fri/sat and some experimental jazz shit will often pop up.... chrissi and i are like 'OMG this is soooooo techno'. obviously it isnt 'techno' in the 'genre' sense of the word but it's still techno - a bunch of ppl trying to make music that they class as good.
i think if you take any genre, any style, if you can tune into their frequency, more power to you.
you know what? the sooner ppl get over this genre thing the better. good music is good music. minimal can me really feckin damn good if you listen to the right stuff. it's just finding it amoungst the crap. but that's half the challenge eh?? heheh
Everyone should listen to whatever he wants to, I totally agree with that.
My girlfriend can`t stand electronic music and I still love her.
But it makes me sad somehow when some of my personal heroes who made me start listening and producing Techno like Adam Beyer, Lars Klein, Marco Carola etc. etc. start to make boring stuff just because of sales figures.
Nothing against Minimal but respect to all who still do 100% pure Techno!
agreed, i like some minimal techno staff at the moment but music its a just big circle and good times for minimal will end someday,
im sure people will be boring to death with minimal, what will be next ?
i would love to get more bpm again, yeah 100% pure techno but im affraid i wont, tendency is geting slower with bpm unfortunately