Non 4/4 techno

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12-05-2009, 04:25 PM
SlavikSvensk

Non 4/4 techno

fairly rare, but some out there.

the most obvious reason not to deviate from 4/4 is convention, but is that really a good reason to avoid other time signatures?

are there any examples of techno tracks in time signatures other than 4/4 that you think work? how about don't work? why?
12-05-2009, 05:42 PM
gunjack

um no
12-05-2009, 05:42 PM
The_Laughing_Man

I can`t think of any.
There have been some minimal tunes in 3/4 I`ve heard, but other than that I haven`t found any.
12-05-2009, 05:44 PM
The_Laughing_Man

I can`t think of any.
There have been some minimal tunes in 3/4 I`ve heard, but other than that I haven`t found any.
12-05-2009, 05:53 PM
DannyBlack

6/8 t. rauchmire Monster truck driver. i like 6/8 stuff.

edit:

Mixing it with 4/4 is a pain in the rectum and it sounds shit.
12-05-2009, 05:59 PM
SlavikSvensk

mike parker "copper variations" is in 3/4, i believe, but disguised to appear as if it's in 4/4
12-05-2009, 06:00 PM
SlavikSvensk

so...ancillary question...why NOT have more techno outside the 4/4 time signature?
12-05-2009, 06:01 PM
DannyBlack

scratch this, i'm talking out of my arse.
12-05-2009, 06:02 PM
DannyBlack

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

so...ancillary question...why NOT have more techno outside the 4/4 time signature?

I have been making loops outside of 4/4 for a little while now. non of it any good mind. fun though.
12-05-2009, 06:06 PM
gunjack

Quote:

Originally Posted by DannyBlack

I could be wrong.

you sure could.
12-05-2009, 06:10 PM
The_Laughing_Man

There are quite a few tunes done in triple time 6/8.
But done with 4 bar structures, which essentially still follows 4/4 structure, like the T.Raumschmiere track that danny mentioned.
Not that wild, but slightly different at least.

I think for vinyl purposes, odd time signatures are too much for the majority of DJ`s to deal with, but with the digital age it should be easier to handle.
12-05-2009, 06:27 PM
gunjack

6/8 etc is great but get the f4cak outta here man nobody really mixes these tunes out---
12-05-2009, 06:36 PM
The_Laughing_Man

You here it from minimal DJ`s more often than any other genre.
12-05-2009, 06:37 PM
The_Laughing_Man

Actually, You get a lot of 6/8 in drum and bass, but normally it`s a mid section or middle 8 that swaps to triple time, then goes back to 4/4 after a couple of minutes.
12-05-2009, 07:02 PM
Technologic

Quote:

Originally Posted by DannyBlack

6/8 t. rauchmire Monster truck driver. i like 6/8 stuff.

edit:

Mixing it with 4/4 is a pain in the rectum and it sounds shit.

Don't bother mixing it then, just drop it.
12-05-2009, 07:13 PM
DannyBlack

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technologic

Don't bother mixing it then, just drop it.

nah. i like mixing. i'll leave dropping to sven vath.
12-05-2009, 08:32 PM
Patrick DSP

i know a couple of ambient techno tracks a while back that had a 15/16 time signature.

and i think some of venetian snares stuff is 7/4 time.
12-05-2009, 09:27 PM
davethedrummer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick DSP

i know a couple of ambient techno tracks a while back that had a 15/16 time signature.

and i think some of venetian snares stuff is 7/4 time.

yeah 7/4 is interesting
some early young gods stuff is in 7/4
I tried it a couple of times
but never really got off the starting blocks if you know what i mean

by the way
3/4 is the same as 6/8 innit really?

3 quater notes to every beat right?

15/16 hmmmm sounds a bit silly

actually thats one of the greatest things about the trusty old 303
it's easy to set up 6 or 7 or 9 beat patterns that will run across a 4/4 beat
they kind of re-synch after so many bars ( you do the math )
surgeon does it loads too , not with 303's but similar ideas with synth patterns
it's that old analogue vs software argument again
old analogue step sequencers are great for this kind of thing
12-05-2009, 09:29 PM
davethedrummer

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Laughing_Man

Actually, You get a lot of 6/8 in drum and bass, but normally it`s a mid section or middle 8 that swaps to triple time, then goes back to 4/4 after a couple of minutes.

I think some of that d+b stuff
is just very heavy on the shuffle and it kind of gives that impression.
well thats my take on it anyway
12-05-2009, 09:37 PM
DannyBlack

Quote:

Originally Posted by davethedrummer

3/4 is the same as 6/8 innit really?

3 quater notes to every beat right?

yeah, if i remember what my little bro was lecturing to/at me you're right.
12-05-2009, 10:52 PM
The_Laughing_Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by davethedrummer

y
by the way
3/4 is the same as 6/8 innit really?

3 quater notes to every beat right?

15/16 hmm

The emphasis is different.
6/8 comes across as if its in 2`s
ONE and TWO and ONE and TWO

3/4 is more defined in threes.
ONE 2 3 ONE 2 3
12-05-2009, 10:52 PM
The_Laughing_Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by davethedrummer

I think some of that d+b stuff
is just very heavy on the shuffle and it kind of gives that impression.
well thats my take on it anyway

Yeah some is shuffled, some is 6/8
12-05-2009, 10:54 PM
The_Laughing_Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Laughing_Man

The emphasis is different.
6/8 comes across as if its in 2`s
ONE and TWO and ONE and TWO

3/4 is more defined in threes.
ONE 2 3 ONE 2 3

Hang on, your a drummer as well, you should know all this garbage too right?
12-05-2009, 10:56 PM
gunjack

Quote:

Originally Posted by davethedrummer

I think some of that d+b stuff
is just very heavy on the shuffle and it kind of gives that impression.
well thats my take on it anyway

yup
12-05-2009, 11:17 PM
DannyBlack

im having a word with ar kid now. 19 and 1 grade away from bein the highest grade drummer. cunt.
13-05-2009, 12:00 AM
Technologic

I'm pretty sure there's some on VCF as well i think, can't remember any details tho
13-05-2009, 12:04 AM
Jay Pace

Radiohead do some good stuff. This is in 10/4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrpGhEVyrk0
13-05-2009, 03:12 PM
Igneous

A mate of mine makes his tunes in 3/4, good stuff. Ball ache to mix but very industrial in sound.

https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/...ly%20Sharpened
13-05-2009, 06:36 PM
The_Laughing_Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Igneous

A mate of mine makes his tunes in 3/4, good stuff. Ball ache to mix but very industrial in sound.

https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/...ly%20Sharpened

That`s broken beat 4/4 you silly narna
13-05-2009, 07:22 PM
DannyBlack

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Laughing_Man

That`s broken beat 4/4 you silly narna

pfffffff, thats clearly 'crazy paved 7/8' you silly plonker!

lolz.
13-05-2009, 09:28 PM
The_Laughing_Man

pebble dashed 5/6
13-05-2009, 10:01 PM
curly

i vote we all change to 1/1 time.
13-05-2009, 10:37 PM
Patrick DSP

Quote:

Originally Posted by curly

i vote we all change to 1/1 time.

Isn't that dub step? :P
14-05-2009, 07:44 PM
DannyBlack

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Laughing_Man

pebble dashed 5/6

Worm Ridden wood 8/1