Hardstyle and the screechy noises...

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26-04-2004, 10:10 PM
Hakka

Hardstyle and the screechy noises...

Surely we have come to the end of productions that involve hard & over compressed kick drums, hennes & cold bass lines with screechy noises over the top?

Enough is enough?

Hard Style needs to evolve before it becomes far to stale. I'm struggling to buy stuff at the moment... I'm more concerned with getting older hardstyle that I didn't buy because at the time I didn't have the funds.

Please can you all name 5 tracks that have pioneered hard style? Not just from the begining, but ones from past & present where possible.

Very curious to see what people think, not because I think they may be wrong or right, but because I'm very curious to what personal reactions are.

Hope you all obliege.
26-04-2004, 10:25 PM
MangaFish

totally agree with you mate. variation is the key to success.

i personally couldnt go to a hardstyle night as to me it all sounds the same. which is a shame as there is a hell of a lot of good stuff out there and i do like what i've heard.

when i mix hardstyle, i find i have to water it down with techno and hardhouse to give it the variation i desire
27-04-2004, 01:23 AM
TechnoRaver

um....
early uberdrucks 1 & 2 i think, early tracids acid headcracker, 10 kleine bassdrums etc, one of my fav dance pollutions Tuneboy - "demolition"

thats all i cant think off the top of me head.
27-04-2004, 01:44 AM
djstride

ive said this for a loooong time - the hennes and cold kick thats been used ever since second trip is annoying as hell.

not played a record that sounded like that in almost 2 years now.
27-04-2004, 10:23 AM
Yoshimitsu

Analogic Disturbance - Dusky noises & the second chase ep

Some blutonium's eg. make it loud

Not too familiar with the very early stuff coz I only got into the scene about 18 months- 2 years ago.

I do agree though that so many tunes use the same old sounds etc. Cant think wot they can do to progress though :eh:

Oh, and brain ovulation's stuff was pioneering imo :cool:
27-04-2004, 12:05 PM
DJ Corbzy

There's a very small percentage of hardstyle out there that's good IMO, right from the start it was way too formulaic.

Tunes that did it for me were ones like Atlantic Wave - The Creation, Psycho Hardstylers - The Game, Analogic Disturbance - Second Chase EP...

Nowadays Hardstyle is just about sounding the same as what's already out rather than doing something new.

Hardstyle = Hennes & Cold Bassline, Fat Kick, Screechy Synth and Annoying or Slanderous Vocal.
27-04-2004, 01:17 PM
Yoshimitsu

The game was a class tune :clap:
27-04-2004, 01:36 PM
DJ Corbzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu

The game was a class tune :clap:

Defo man, the production was awesome, shame about the bad pressing and the fact it skipped on the slow down bit....

Used to sketch people right out in clubs, people used to think the deck had been knocked off! :lol:
27-04-2004, 01:57 PM
Yoshimitsu

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Originally Posted by DJ Corbzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu

The game was a class tune :clap:

Defo man, the production was awesome, shame about the bad pressing and the fact it skipped on the slow down bit....

Used to sketch people right out in clubs, people used to think the deck had been knocked off! :lol:

Didnt know the skipping was a press error I thought it was just mine :lol:
27-04-2004, 02:03 PM
DJ Corbzy

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Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu

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Originally Posted by DJ Corbzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu

The game was a class tune :clap:

Defo man, the production was awesome, shame about the bad pressing and the fact it skipped on the slow down bit....

Used to sketch people right out in clubs, people used to think the deck had been knocked off! :lol:

Didnt know the skipping was a press error I thought it was just mine :lol:

Nah it was on every copy and then I think it may have got re-released with a better press.
27-04-2004, 02:49 PM
Yoshimitsu

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Originally Posted by DJ Corbzy

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Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu

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Originally Posted by DJ Corbzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu

The game was a class tune :clap:

Defo man, the production was awesome, shame about the bad pressing and the fact it skipped on the slow down bit....

Used to sketch people right out in clubs, people used to think the deck had been knocked off! :lol:

Didnt know the skipping was a press error I thought it was just mine :lol:

Nah it was on every copy and then I think it may have got re-released with a better press.

I used to get well pissed off with it :doh:
27-04-2004, 04:28 PM
edk

tales of a 12 inch, the game, speed, the second trip, edge of sanity. would have to be the five that have really struck me the most.
hardstyle is becoming more a thing of the past to me, it just reminds me of hard house these days.......
27-04-2004, 04:53 PM
Voorheez

Re: Hardstyle and the screechy noises...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakka

Please can you all name 5 tracks that have pioneered hard style? Not just from the begining, but ones from past & present where possible.

I think personally things are starting to look up again. I felt the same way you do now Mark for the past couple of months, but recently i've been picking up quite a few bits. In answer to your question, here's where I think the future lies - my 5 recent pioneering tracks:

1) Dana - Undenlichkiet
2) DJ Zany - Sky High
3) Southstylers - Pwoap
4) ASYS - Storm & Thunder
5) Fliegenpilz - Unmoglich
27-04-2004, 05:16 PM
Andy__C

Some awesome tune's there Vorheez.......

I wouldn't become too overobsessed with being groundbreaking, the first, something new n'all that with my tunes........

some of you sound like your faaaaar to obsessed with whats in the future that your totally ignoring wicked tunes that are around now...... every single tune hasn't gotta be groundbreaking, a new sound, fresh, never done before, a new concept etc.....

maybe it's just there are diff taste's to my own....I defo ain't bored with hardstyle, there's more tune's to buy than I have the money for......true, there hasn't been a lotta new sounding stuff, but just cos it ain't summerfruits fresh doesn't mean it ain't good! ;)

This ain't a rant btw........ just an observation....... seems to be a lot of unsatisfaction on here that hardstyle ain't progressing at a million mile's an hour when no-one seems to be stopping and looking at whats now.....

no biggies though..... ;)
27-04-2004, 05:43 PM
Yoshimitsu

Quote:

Originally Posted by edk

tales of a 12 inch, the game, speed, the second trip, edge of sanity. would have to be the five that have really struck me the most.
hardstyle is becoming more a thing of the past to me, it just reminds me of hard house these days.......

Im gonna take you on a tour, of a twelve inch :clap: class tune :cool:

Andy_C you make a good point ;)
27-04-2004, 07:03 PM
DJCraig Ryan

Re: Hardstyle and the screechy noises...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voorheez

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakka

Please can you all name 5 tracks that have pioneered hard style? Not just from the begining, but ones from past & present where possible.

I think personally things are starting to look up again. I felt the same way you do now Mark for the past couple of months, but recently i've been picking up quite a few bits. In answer to your question, here's where I think the future lies - my 5 recent pioneering tracks:

1) Dana - Undenlichkiet
2) DJ Zany - Sky High
3) Southstylers - Pwoap
4) ASYS - Storm & Thunder
5) Fliegenpilz - Unmoglich

I wouldn't class A.S.Y.S "Storm & Thunder" as Hardstyle.
Totally agree with Hakka, i've been struggling to enjoy/buy Hardstyle for over 6 months.
The direction it needs to go is in the form of Dark and Industrial and not Harder Hard House.
27-04-2004, 08:15 PM
Voorheez

Re: Hardstyle and the screechy noises...

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Originally Posted by DJCraig Ryan

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Originally Posted by Voorheez

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Originally Posted by Hakka

Please can you all name 5 tracks that have pioneered hard style? Not just from the begining, but ones from past & present where possible.

I think personally things are starting to look up again. I felt the same way you do now Mark for the past couple of months, but recently i've been picking up quite a few bits. In answer to your question, here's where I think the future lies - my 5 recent pioneering tracks:

1) Dana - Undenlichkiet
2) DJ Zany - Sky High
3) Southstylers - Pwoap
4) ASYS - Storm & Thunder
5) Fliegenpilz - Unmoglich

I wouldn't class A.S.Y.S "Storm & Thunder" as Hardstyle.

None of those above are really typical hardstyle. A lot of them bend genres which is in my eyes the way forward, or pioneering a new direction instead of just recyclying the same tired samples. The Dana track is techno infuenced, Zany is very trancy, Pwoap is very much like a jumpstyle track. Fliegenpilz is gabber like and ASYS is (obviously) acidy, but the beat is enough to make it hardstyle to me.
27-04-2004, 08:54 PM
DJ SPUDIE

Hardstyle is almost boring me a little at the moment. Im tending to buy more hard trance than style
28-04-2004, 07:27 PM
Ben C

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ Corbzy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu

The game was a class tune :clap:

Defo man, the production was awesome, shame about the bad pressing and the fact it skipped on the slow down bit....

Used to sketch people right out in clubs, people used to think the deck had been knocked off! :lol:

i got this tune when it 1st came out and mine is fine, although my mate had the same problem.

calm down peeps, theres still loadsa good stuff coming out.
i think hardstyle has just hit a wee bit of a stale patch.
all it takes is one producer to twiddle a nob a certain way and create a whole new sound, and you's will all be smiling again. ;)
28-04-2004, 07:31 PM
DJCraig Ryan

Re: Hardstyle and the screechy noises...

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Originally Posted by Voorheez

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Originally Posted by DJCraig Ryan

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Originally Posted by Voorheez

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakka

Please can you all name 5 tracks that have pioneered hard style? Not just from the begining, but ones from past & present where possible.

I think personally things are starting to look up again. I felt the same way you do now Mark for the past couple of months, but recently i've been picking up quite a few bits. In answer to your question, here's where I think the future lies - my 5 recent pioneering tracks:

1) Dana - Undenlichkiet
2) DJ Zany - Sky High
3) Southstylers - Pwoap
4) ASYS - Storm & Thunder
5) Fliegenpilz - Unmoglich

I wouldn't class A.S.Y.S "Storm & Thunder" as Hardstyle.

None of those above are really typical hardstyle. A lot of them bend genres which is in my eyes the way forward, or pioneering a new direction instead of just recyclying the same tired samples. The Dana track is techno infuenced, Zany is very trancy, Pwoap is very much like a jumpstyle track. Fliegenpilz is gabber like and ASYS is (obviously) acidy, but the beat is enough to make it hardstyle to me.

True mate, i see what you mean. And to be honest the Hardstyle i like is the style which does bend the Genre and not your typical "sounding" Hardstyle. There is defintley not enough of this, with too many artists producing the same sound. Ive not bought alot of Hardstyle for a long time because of the same old sound and same formula. In Hardstyle i like it to be Dark, with a solid Bassline but not Bouncy! I like the crossover of Gabba and i like it to be 'Tech' and 'Industrial' Influenced.
But as Hakka mentioned, alot of it is way too cheesy, too bouncy and too much Hard House influenced.
Hardstyle should be related to as a Dark crossover Genre, but Vorheez, a few tracks of late, as you mentioned are maybe a sign of more of this sort of material being released.
Hardstyle tunes such as "Dana - Undenlichkiet, Fliegenpilz - Unmoglich & Teknoid "Edge of Darkness," really impressed me and this should be the way forward!
28-04-2004, 11:17 PM
karl54

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TEMPER TEMPER - Tommy Pulse - I WILL BE MASTER (stelth industries)
WILD SYLYE GENERATION PT2 - Klasik & Sanders mix (Future Sound Corp)
DHHD - Rush - Stight On Records
Lady Dana - restyled - ??
MIND CONTROLER - Mind Controler - SYS-X Records
Make It Loud - Blutonium Boy
28-04-2004, 11:45 PM
lulu

Re: Hardstyle and the screechy noises...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voorheez

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakka

Please can you all name 5 tracks that have pioneered hard style? Not just from the begining, but ones from past & present where possible.

I think personally things are starting to look up again. I felt the same way you do now Mark for the past couple of months, but recently i've been picking up quite a few bits. In answer to your question, here's where I think the future lies - my 5 recent pioneering tracks:

1) Dana - Undenlichkiet
2) DJ Zany - Sky High
3) Southstylers - Pwoap
4) ASYS - Storm & Thunder
5) Fliegenpilz - Unmoglich

lovley tunes mate
28-04-2004, 11:47 PM
lulu

does anyone like the tune lets go, cant remember whos its by.
29-04-2004, 12:04 PM
Yoshimitsu

Re: Hardstyle and the screechy noises...

[quote="DJCraig Ryan not Bouncy! [/quote]

Nothin wrong with bouncy basslines m8 look at tunes like humanoid & the second chase ep. ;)
29-04-2004, 12:05 PM
Yoshimitsu

Fcuked that one up :doh: :lol:
29-04-2004, 07:26 PM
DJCraig Ryan

Re: Hardstyle and the screechy noises...

[quote=Yoshimitsu]

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Originally Posted by "DJCraig Ryan not Bouncy! [/quote

Nothin wrong with bouncy basslines m8 look at tunes like humanoid & the second chase ep. ;)

Not to my liking though mate
29-04-2004, 09:57 PM
Busho

Lars tindy. can you stand the rain?
Psychic. Hardstyle Killer (stormin track!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Uberdruck. The speed
Dj virus vs blutonium boy. Paranoid
Uberduck. now or never
J.T.S. M.O.D.U.L.O
J.T.S. Boing

thats more than 5 but feck it!!!

personally i think the way to go towards the Dutch hardstyle i.e
on these labels
Q dance
Straight on
Subway

i like some of the italian stuff like

Stik
Sigma
30-04-2004, 01:16 AM
Yoshimitsu

Re: Hardstyle and the screechy noises...

[quote=DJCraig Ryan]

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Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu

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Originally Posted by "DJCraig Ryan not Bouncy! [/quote

Nothin wrong with bouncy basslines m8 look at tunes like humanoid & the second chase ep. ;)

Not to my liking though mate

Fair enough each 2 their own ;)
30-04-2004, 07:29 AM
Voorheez

Quote:

Originally Posted by lulu

does anyone like the tune lets go, cant remember whos its by.

Any more info on it? It might be Dj Isaac - Nobody Listens to Techno which has a sample of Eminem saying 'Let's Go' occasionally?
30-04-2004, 11:54 AM
lukekendall

people going on about trance being formulated but hardstyles turning quite shit at the moment there running out of ideas and using cheesy samples to fill in some kind of break to seperate the bang bang bang!!!

i really enjoyed hardstyle about a year ago stuff produed by TechnoBoy is class but now its all to the same and im finding myself looking more and more for trance!

there is some really good hardstyle out there, stuff i some times hear mark eg play but the majority of stuff i lissen to is not to good!

id say out of 20 tunes i lissen to ill buy 1 :doh:
30-04-2004, 12:29 PM
Ben C

Quote:

Originally Posted by lulu

does anyone like the tune lets go, cant remember whos its by.

DJ Michael - Lets Go (Q-Dance) NL ???

good wee tune if it is.
30-04-2004, 12:44 PM
Jutt

Mind Controller- Mind Controller

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :cool:
30-04-2004, 06:59 PM
Busho

i really enjoyed hardstyle about a year ago stuff produed by TechnoBoy is class but now its all to the same and im finding myself looking more and more for trance!

innit i still drop Technoboy Hardrive in to a mix fukkin class tune that is!
30-04-2004, 08:14 PM
DJCraig Ryan

Re: Hardstyle and the screechy noises...

[quote=Yoshimitsu]

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Originally Posted by DJCraig Ryan

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Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu

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Originally Posted by "DJCraig Ryan not Bouncy! [/quote

Nothin wrong with bouncy basslines m8 look at tunes like humanoid & the second chase ep. ;)

Not to my liking though mate

Fair enough each 2 their own ;)

To be honest mate, i just think it's the fact that it's the 'Bouncy' Basslines which are getting cained. Really need to see a change in Formula and Sounds.
30-04-2004, 08:16 PM
Voorheez

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Originally Posted by Ben C

Quote:

Originally Posted by lulu

does anyone like the tune lets go, cant remember whos its by.

DJ Michael - Lets Go (Q-Dance) NL ???

good wee tune if it is.

Could also be Joaquin DJ - Petting 69, now I think about it. That has a 'let's go' vocal.
30-04-2004, 08:21 PM
Voorheez

Regarding this whole topic, this is something i've been saying for ages - that hardstyle is becoming a joke. 99% of it is formulated lazily produced rubbish. It's just picking out that 1%.

The only way to counteract the rubbish is don't buy it! Eventually the labels will get the message and stop signing poor tunes. At the moment they're making money from it, so of course they'll continue to do it.
03-05-2004, 10:31 PM
lulu

yer thats the one dj michael - lets go
06-05-2004, 08:25 AM
WEZ

Re: Hardstyle and the screechy noises...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakka

Surely we have come to the end of productions that involve hard & over compressed kick drums, hennes & cold bass lines with screechy noises over the top?

Enough is enough?

Hard Style needs to evolve before it becomes far to stale. I'm struggling to buy stuff at the moment... I'm more concerned with getting older hardstyle that I didn't buy because at the time I didn't have the funds.

Please can you all name 5 tracks that have pioneered hard style? Not just from the begining, but ones from past & present where possible.

Very curious to see what people think, not because I think they may be wrong or right, but because I'm very curious to what personal reactions are.

Hope you all obliege.

AMEN

The 1 Folder with 5 Samples in Era or producers must end.
06-05-2004, 08:26 AM
WEZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voorheez

Regarding this whole topic, this is something i've been saying for ages - that hardstyle is becoming a joke. 99% of it is formulated lazily produced rubbish. It's just picking out that 1%.

The only way to counteract the rubbish is don't buy it! Eventually the labels will get the message and stop signing poor tunes. At the moment they're making money from it, so of course they'll continue to do it.

AMEN number 2 , the famous hardstyle Razz bass line , surely you have had enough of it !
06-05-2004, 08:28 AM
WEZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voorheez

Quote:

Originally Posted by lulu

does anyone like the tune lets go, cant remember whos its by.

Any more info on it? It might be Dj Isaac - Nobody Listens to Techno which has a sample of Eminem saying 'Let's Go' occasionally?

correct
06-05-2004, 10:04 AM
MARKEG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bushwacka

i really enjoyed hardstyle about a year ago stuff produed by TechnoBoy is class but now its all to the same and im finding myself looking more and more for trance!

innit i still drop Technoboy Hardrive in to a mix fukkin class tune that is!

you know this is similar to how i feel. i love the good hard hardstlye as a quick fix but i found myself really looking for the trance/more melodic side to it last year..... for some reason i feel this seems to give tracks more longevity. i still think hardstyle has a long way to go but we'll be seeing a big split in types of hardstyle and what certain dj's play/don't play.
06-05-2004, 10:55 AM
Yoshimitsu

Mark in the hardstyle forum :shock: :lol:
06-05-2004, 04:22 PM
Ben C

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Originally Posted by WezEnTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voorheez

Quote:

Originally Posted by lulu

does anyone like the tune lets go, cant remember whos its by.

Any more info on it? It might be Dj Isaac - Nobody Listens to Techno which has a sample of Eminem saying 'Let's Go' occasionally?

correct

quote lulu "yer thats the one dj michael - lets go"

:lol: :lol:
07-05-2004, 11:21 AM
wellso

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jutt

Mind Controller- Mind Controller

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :cool:

:lol: tune and a half :lol:
07-05-2004, 02:12 PM
Ben C

agreed. :clap: