adam beyer

[eyeswithoutaface]

like i say, one of the main things that is pushed down people's throats in techno is nostalgia, "It was amazing back in my day"..." oh remember when such and such was still amazing"... out of the scenes im involved in, the majority of techno fans are definately the worst at times for having this strange fixation with clutching onto the past desperately and then getting all shitty and bitter when one of their fave artists refuses to get left behind in 1998 like u say Joe lad

[Jay Pace]

Consistently outstanding producer.

Only heard him dj once and didn't rate him, he was a bit flat and I had high hopes.

Hating him is foolishness.

[fac]

nowadays its forbidden to have another opinion than the masses. if you say you dont like anything (especially on the internet) you better hide. or they will punish you bad. adam beyer is god. all he did/does/will do is perfect. the other guys who now do this cool new music are also godlike. especially those of them who used to do loop-/tool-techno. i admire their creativity. everytime i listen to their music i could cream. IT IS SO AWESOME!

[basslinejunkie]

hahaha

[g]

people complaining about his 'minimal' sound apparently never really paid attention to code red.

[katya]

people complaining about his 'minimal' sound apparently never really paid attention to code red.

in agreement on that one - the minimal sound BEFORE the german minimal wave.

[fac]

as far as i know hawtin is not german...

[fac]

do you really want to say code red has more in common with trapez than with drumcode?

[essence]

both FaC and Dustin have a point in their opinions. Dustin is quite right about people always complaining about ab; fac is quite right in his statement that sometimes having different point of view is intolerated and ppl tend to worship 'holy cows'
Regarding mr Beyer - he has always been a good and prolific producer - he had his better and worse moments; never admired him as much as karl/tony, oliver ho and james ruskin etc... but always had respect for him. drumcode was a very important label for my early techno experience; loved his tracks on jericho/inside; his newer works still can rock (as if dubs for example is imo one of the best clubby tracks a.d. 2006). and I think he deserves respect; there are so many artists who deserve criticism to much bigger extent than adam (all those teen techno producers e.g. hades/marco bailey/redhead)...

[robin m]

like i say, one of the main things that is pushed down people's throats in techno is nostalgia, "It was amazing back in my day"..." oh remember when such and such was still amazing"... out of the scenes im involved in, the majority of techno fans are definately the worst at times for having this strange fixation with clutching onto the past desperately and then getting all shitty and bitter when one of their fave artists refuses to get left behind in 1998 like u say Joe lad

Totally agree with this... surely it's far, far better for all concerned to talk about the good things going on at the moment than bitterly complaining that it's not as good as it used to be. That was then, this is now.

Everyone's always gonna be misty-eyed about the stuff that turned them on to the music in the first place but slating or hating (did anyone honestly say that?? surely not...) someone for taking their sound in a new direction they wanna go in is just plain bollocks.

Music should be art, people should write the music they feel needs to be written... if Beyer just catered for fanboys rather than making stuff from the heart he'd be selling out. Fair play to the bloke. Change is essential.

[dan the acid man]

Well said, it's always been a no win situation, change and you get people complaining, don't change and you will still have people complaining

Let him do what he wants, if you love it great, if not find something else to listen to and enjoy instead.

[DannyBlack]

i have to say as a producer he has to be one of the best. i went to see him a while back, savage DJ.

check this out http://www.discogs.com/label/Zenit

classy techno.

im really into all the drumcode stuff he did too, it has to be some of the most intelligent techno i have ever heard.

[fac]

Music should be art, people should write the music they feel needs to be written...

double for this naive statement

[robin m]

double for this naive statement

Laugh it up, but when you get over yourself & the (granted) cheesiness of the statement it's true isn't it? What else do people make music for?

Is it really naive - what great music was made for other reasons than for the love of it?

[...Dave...]

Laugh it up, but when you get over yourself & the (granted) cheesiness of the statement it's true isn't it? What else do people make music for?

Is it really naive - what great music was made for other reasons than for the love of it?

:) absolutely

[fac]

as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

[rhythmtech]

as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

with all due respect m8 you need to come down off your horse. everyone is entitled to do what they do.. i say fu.ck it. if you can make money from music to help you do what you wanna do then so be it.. many people have families and homes. are they meant to make music that appeals purely to the underground and live off the social welfare?

[fac]

are they meant to make music that appeals purely to the underground and live off the social welfare?

if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

if you "tune" your music in a way it sells better, fine. nothing wrong with it. but then dont tell me it is deep from your heart. cause its bollocks. i read a great post from mark hawkins here some time ago. he wrote since he had a regular job he was more satisfied with the music he did cause there wasnt the pressure to sell loads of it. he did what he wanted to do not what the market wanted him to do.

[robin m]

:whoops:

as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

Fair enough, I'm sure a lot of producers do make music that's going to pay the bills rather than stuff they believe in - that's why I said 'great music' rather than 'successful music'.

I might be completely wrong about this (who knows what's going on in someone else's head) but as far as I can tell most of the music I regard as truly great was made with passion rather than commercial success as the driving force.

Music is fundamentally an artform - it's an insubstantial production of someone's creativity that brings enjoyment to people. It's very easy to lose sight of this though, as its nature is to exist and be distributed as multiple copies of the same piece (rather than as one single entity, such as a painting or something).

Artists in the more traditional sense pay their rent by being able to sell single pieces, in theory at higher and higher prices as they become better & gain more recognition - musical artists have to sell multiple copies of the same piece so are forced to make their money in a different way, by retailing... which comes with a whole different set of rules.

...I don't know if any of this is relevant or even makes sense, I was just typing as I was thinking really, I think it's the way I see it anyway! :whoops: