will vinyl survive..???

[Rog]

just for instance.. 99.9% of psy partys (free stle) only have cd decks.. but i know that vinyl still does sell.. not as much..

but the cd's just cause mass pirecey of the whole scene - one person can buy your work and copy and put it on the web - this can also be done with a vinyl.. but with cd its more common i think.

I can see vinyl dying - but the cd needs to be good enougth - anybody else read about the cd's that have started to rust, lol what the f*ck - i did'nt know they had any metal element in them..

[the_psychologist]

CDs just don't make sense in the big picture. if vinyl does go away, then i really believe that software solutions will be the answer.

one of the coolest things about Mac rigs is that you can bring your own harddrive loaded with the OS, programs, and your music, plug it into the venue's Mac using firewire or maybe USB 2.0, then boot from your hard drive and have everything all set to play. that's an amazing idea. ONE external hard drive could be all you need to bring, and it would allow you silly amounts of music.

re: the psy scene, i'm still a bit puzzled as to why they stopped supporting vinyl. most of the vinyl that releases is the progressive stuff, with a few major labels like TIP World that also put out vinyl of their big releases. i still get London techno vinyl, and i fail to see how a globally thriving scene like psy can't support vinyl. if the tiny London acid techno scene can still use vinyl, what happened in psy? the advantage for the psy scene is that so much music releases these days. with CDs, it's pretty cheap for homebrew labels to release albums. i adopted the laptop partly because of this change, as i knew most psy parties wouldn't even have vinyl decks installed, and i dislike CD decks.

and for the record, i don't think vinyl makes it that much more difficult to pirate music. there are groups dedicated to releasing new music for download, and they just rip straight from the vinyl. the techno scene lacks any such pirates from what i've seen.

[AcidBastard]

I just thought of something while going through all these posts.. As more and more people continue to mix with CD's, which I see happening no matter what... The people who are mixing vinyl NOW, will be called the "old school" DJ's, and they'll continue to make records for DJ's who stick by their turntables...

Just think about it, 20 years from now and EVERYONE is mixing with CD's except for the ones who were mixing in the late 80's early 90's... We'll become like a special act, hahaha...I may be dreaming, but the way things are now, and the way things are GOING to be, I can definitally see this happening.

[davethedrummer]

well the piano has been around for a few hundred years
and vinyl is an instrument so.........

[Miromiric]

heh decks are..........

[the_psychologist]

i think the catering has been going on for a long time already, but mostly in "live" music. i remember how Pearl Jam championed vinyl back in their good days.

i love to use 1200s, and i'll always keep them dear, but just look at how the digital revolution has changed every other form of media. (and it hasn't taken long at all, so try to imagine what will happen as technology keeps evolving at greater rates)

vinyl is just too expensive. over here, we pay $10-11 for a single record, which often means $10 or $11 for ONE good track. compare that to paying $15 for a compilation CD with 10 tracks included, and you can see how skewed things are.

let's be honest- the only people who really "need" vinyl are the turntablists. i have trouble imagining software or CDs being able to match vinyl for their needs, though i HAVE seen DJ Shadow do his live act using CD decks.

uh, anyone interested in offering their own opinions based on personal experience? i know Henry has started using Live in his sets. anyone else, or is this really the home of vinyl junkies?

[sash]

last year for the first time ever (here in oz), turntables out sold accoustic guitars

[AcidBastard]

last year for the first time ever (here in oz), turntables out sold accoustic guitars

Now that's some good news :lol:

[jonnyspeed]

Vinyl sales are on the increase again...

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/l...host=5&dir=231

CD will be dead before vinyl.

[conflict]

Now that whats we like to hear

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[The Divide]

My 2 cents on CD's (as theres been a lot of talk on CD's been the main media on this thread)

A lot of people have been talking about embracing new technology to be more creative. Sounds to me that if you want to be that creative then you should setup a live pa and do your own thing. As sunil said, its all about selection/playing 2-3 tracks, bringing them in and taking them out with passion. Not singing along to music or jamming along on a keyboard. There seems to be some confusion between the jocks and the PA's on this thread. I dont seem why DJ's seem to feel they have to be somekinda technological front man. All they are there to do is play the music they love. Its the music itself that really matters

the resolution argument for vinyl is just silly.
even 44-16 CD has a better frequency response then vinyl.
+ you can do a lot more in the stereo field then the limitations of vinyl.
And with vinyl the louder and deeper the cut the more space needed for the grooves etc.
+ a lot of vinyl is cut from CD master anyway.
I love vinyl, but I hate producing for vinyl, because you have to compromise on sound.

True but this brings a lot of problems. I would much rather people use vinyl, CD's seem a bit tacky to me (seriously). You have a lot of people who seem willing to play out mp3's from as low as 128kb/s which does more damage than good imo. Its easy for artists to try out now mixes on the latest piece of software which is a good thing but....

You have a lot a artists using digital kit for mixdown, digital softsynths, softsamplers, digital mixers, digital sounding fruity loops :P. The final mix will sound digital, thats not the problem. You get all that really high 16k and above (not sure the exact freq) cymblant/irritant sound. What if you dont know how to warm it all up or don’t feel the need to. The thought of having to go out and hear all that come out of the latest digital toy is a nightmare (for me). Yea people press from CD masters, but its the pressing which take off those really high freq's that **** your ears and it does warm it up a little. The pressing makes it more analog imo. I am with Jonnyspeed, CD’s sound a lot colder to me too. Do we really need that little bit of extra bandwidth to move things forwards?

Also if its sold on cd as the main media then its going to have a set tempo. It will be copied via soulseek etc. There’s no control on piracy so artists will get less in a scene that already pays peanuts.

I love Pa's, I love technology. I love CD's/ been able to have something played of cd out live!! I dont like digital sounding kits, crap DAC's.

Bring on the hardware, bring on the pa's. Keep the vinyl :lol:

[The Divide]

As for autolocking bpms and auto beatmatching = I like to think that some effort is been put into not just the track selection but the mixing. Not something a 5 year old can operate but to add to that not a mission impossible dj booth that some clubs have.

I am not too sure about it tho, sure I think its really important that things dont get too easy, you need to be able to feel that buzz when you bring something in and its tight. You feel it more and get more into it. Take that away and its as simple as pressing play on device A, play on device B "yawn" move crossfader, blah, blah.

But does that really matter ?? Is making it easier taking away its soul if at the end of the day it sounds good or the same? If you make it too easy will the next gen bored even quicker??

I dont know

[Rog]

monitoring - another story!!!