The One Family Thing

[Si the Sigh]

...and it all sounds good to me!

[duncandisorderly]

...and it all sounds good to me!

sorry si. no disrespect to the duo was intended ... i got 'one family' and loads of their other releases. i love em. i think it was a fair description of their stuff though...

[Si the Sigh]

I didn't see it as disrespect mate, I was just saying, no matter how you wanna discribe it, it sounds good to me!! :lol: Loving the avatar by the way... :lol:

[dirty_bass]

What they wrote is spot on.
At least they are saying something, which might at least mean they care. Which is better than all the coolness, exclusion, and cliqueyness you get from a lot of other people.

[jonnyspeed]

There never was a one family of techno that just the pills talking mate - what a load of fackin' hippy bollocks. One Family my arse. Yer very closest mates and (if you are lucky) some of your family will look out for you - everybody else you trust at your own peril. If you beleave otherwise you're a fool, imo.

An that LP - best album of the year? nar.

[Sunil]

There never was a one family of techno that just the pills talking mate - what a load of fackin' hippy bollocks. One Family my arse. Yer very closest mates and (if you are lucky) some of your family will look out for you - everybody else you trust at your own peril. If you beleave otherwise you're a fool, imo.

An that LP - best album of the year? nar.

Dead right Jonnyspeed. I never heard of this "Big Family" bollocks before either. It's the music industry lads, get over it. They're just jealous they aren't Chris Liebing.

[Si the Sigh]

Ok, so you don't like the One Family thing, but surely you have to agree that the tracks on the album are good, even if you think the idea poo!

[massplanck]

There never was a one family of techno that just the pills talking mate - what a load of fackin' hippy bollocks. One Family my arse. Yer very closest mates and (if you are lucky) some of your family will look out for you - everybody else you trust at your own peril. If you beleave otherwise you're a fool, imo.

An that LP - best album of the year? nar.

the only people who push this family idea outhere are the groups of people who can goto liebing/jamie lidell/aphex/francois k/horroist/beyer + weatherall gigs all in the one year... and go home & reflect this in their records. hard techno is inbred.

[Sunil]

the only people who push this family idea outhere are the groups of people who can goto liebing/jamie lidell/aphex/francois k/horroist/beyer + weatherall gigs all in the one year... and go home & reflect this in their records. hard techno is inbred.

Yeah, that's a good point alright.

[duncandisorderly]

I didn't see it as disrespect mate, I was just saying, no matter how you wanna discribe it, it sounds good to me!! :lol: Loving the avatar by the way... :lol:

heeeeeeeeeey!

[massplanck]

Ok, so you don't like the One Family thing, but surely you have to agree that the tracks on the album are good, even if you think the idea poo!

the message is just something we have all being saying to each other for the last 10 years. i dont even know why i'm still going on about it but maybe they are right because it seems that there are knives out already regarding this.

i'm not pissed off that carl cox or whoever makes 10,000 a gig and gets (HAS) to sleep in kingsize beds, coz i couldnt give a shite. I'm just happy that I live in a well-off part of the world and can indulge myself in music rather than eek out a living in a slum somewhere.

[The Overfiend]

There never was a one family of techno that just the pills talking mate - what a load of fackin' hippy bollocks. One Family my arse. Yer very closest mates and (if you are lucky) some of your family will look out for you - everybody else you trust at your own peril. If you beleave otherwise you're a fool, imo.

An that LP - best album of the year? nar.

Dead right Jonnyspeed. I never heard of this "Big Family" bollocks before either. It's the music industry lads, get over it. They're just jealous they aren't Chris Liebing.

I don't think Klein has an identity crisis with his place in techno, nor Burkat for that matter. Liebing has done his thing and fairly enough Burkat and Klein are definitely doing the thug dizzle. I don't agree with that one at all. As far as the one family thing it has to do with the mentality that at a time anyone who showed enough love for the music another person who may have had some notariety might start to be cool with them because he saw the realness in their heart about the music, nowadays every wants to keep production secrets to self, book their friends and friends of friends, labels wont even listen to your demo unless you know toms brothers sister in laws girlfriend. The one family thing has turned into the uber nepotism elitist thing. As far as liebing? Umm I hope Klein is not trying to be liebing because his sound by far surpasses Chris, but that's my opinion, based on the fact that liebing is not wooden.

[massplanck]

nowadays every wants to keep production secrets to self, book their friends and friends of friends, labels wont even listen to your demo unless you know toms brothers sister in laws girlfriend. .

1. why would you want someone else production secrets? unless you wanted to sound like someone else. also check the production sections on countless music boards for no secrets.

2. let them book friends of friends. I'd book mates.. so does everyone else here. They're my family. I bounce shit off them every day and they bounce shit back off me. If they are shit at what they do its different story..

3. If your demo is any good then they will have missed out not you. Maybe the tunes are shite and samey. I dont see Reeko/Fernando and loads of other newbies having a problem getting shit out... Amok et all did it by themselves, got a bit of stick for rushing stuff out but i'm sure will redeem themselves in the future.

you can you can you can.

[Sunil]

I don't think Klein has an identity crisis with his place in techno, nor Burkat for that matter. Liebing has done his thing and fairly enough Burkat and Klein are definitely doing the thug dizzle. I don't agree with that one at all. As far as the one family thing it has to do with the mentality that at a time anyone who showed enough love for the music another person who may have had some notariety might start to be cool with them because he saw the realness in their heart about the music, nowadays every wants to keep production secrets to self, book their friends and friends of friends, labels wont even listen to your demo unless you know toms brothers sister in laws girlfriend. The one family thing has turned into the uber nepotism elitist thing. As far as liebing? Umm I hope Klein is not trying to be liebing because his sound by far surpasses Chris, but that's my opinion, based on the fact that liebing is not wooden.

Maybe they aren't jealous, I still question their motives for all this though. I mean if Burkat or Klein were on the CLR agency, getting 2 grand sterling a gig with business flights would they still be complaining? I see this image/message they are trying to get across to be rather futile, and just a continuation of back biting that goes on within the German techno scene.

Btw. Who says labels won't listen to stuff unless you know someone they know or are in the click? Can you back this up?

[dirty_bass]

I personally, would like to think that techno attracts open minded people. And has a good collection of intelligent philosophy and out of the box thinking.
Yeah it is a music industry, but we don`t have to behave like all the other ****s in the other parts of the industry. We have our people in all the parts of the chain. Pressing, distribution, printing, booking etc.
So we can change things.
The problem with this scene is shown with the comments in this thread.
Call me a hippy
But Love is Better than Hate.
And I want more brothers in the world I move in than Enemies and aqquantances.
So the one familly thing can work, if we wanna make it work.
but most people wanna perpetuate the negativity that is prevalent these days, fueling their fragile little ego`s with the quick fix of a negative action.

Sorry, but this is something I feel very strongly about, and am actively trying to make a difference.

[massplanck]

Sorry, but this is something I feel very strongly about, and am actively trying to make a difference.

and you are by posting up your thoughts , as is everyone else who mucks in.

these type of forums work better than any message scrawled on a record

[The Overfiend]

nowadays every wants to keep production secrets to self, book their friends and friends of friends, labels wont even listen to your demo unless you know toms brothers sister in laws girlfriend. .

1. why would you want someone else production secrets? unless you wanted to sound like someone else. also check the production sections on countless music boards for no secrets.

2. let them book friends of friends. I'd book mates.. so does everyone else here. They're my family. I bounce shit off them every day and they bounce shit back off me. If they are shit at what they do its different story..

3. If your demo is any good then they will have missed out not you. Maybe the tunes are shite and samey. I dont see Reeko/Fernando and loads of other newbies having a problem getting shit out... Amok et all did it by themselves, got a bit of stick for rushing stuff out but i'm sure will redeem themselves in the future.

you can you can you can.

I wasn't saying me myself dude.
I'm well sorted.
I am well understanding that it all leads back to techno, but yes nepotism and ego were the points that I would think are being made here, not quality control, and someone crying please listen to my demo.

[The Overfiend]

I don't think Klein has an identity crisis with his place in techno, nor Burkat for that matter. Liebing has done his thing and fairly enough Burkat and Klein are definitely doing the thug dizzle. I don't agree with that one at all. As far as the one family thing it has to do with the mentality that at a time anyone who showed enough love for the music another person who may have had some notariety might start to be cool with them because he saw the realness in their heart about the music, nowadays every wants to keep production secrets to self, book their friends and friends of friends, labels wont even listen to your demo unless you know toms brothers sister in laws girlfriend. The one family thing has turned into the uber nepotism elitist thing. As far as liebing? Umm I hope Klein is not trying to be liebing because his sound by far surpasses Chris, but that's my opinion, based on the fact that liebing is not wooden.

Maybe they aren't jealous, I still question their motives for all this though. I mean if Burkat or Klein were on the CLR agency, getting 2 grand sterling a gig with business flights would they still be complaining? I see this image/message they are trying to get across to be rather futile, and just a continuation of back biting that goes on within the German techno scene.

Btw. Who says labels won't listen to stuff unless you know someone they know or are in the click? Can you back this up?

ummm look at most major label releases, a lot of nepotism no?

[massplanck]

ummm look at most major label releases, a lot of nepotism no?

no. just alot of mates into the same style of /thinking/doing.

[massplanck]

I wasn't saying me myself dude.
I'm well sorted.
I am well understanding that it all leads back to techno, but yes nepotism and ego were the points that I would think are being made here, not quality control, and someone crying please listen to my demo.

But ego is just another human trait and which is not just confined to techno. Golfers can have egos . So can champion melon growers.