What is Hard Trance now!?!?!?!?!

[GAMMA303]

Seriously. im a bit lost.

the music i listened to in in the mid to late 90's i thought was hard trance was stuff like the No Respect Label put out. Mega Lo Mania stuff. now i hear that stuff and they call it Free Form.

then in the end of the 90's like 99 i heard a new sound pretty much the whole german hard trance sound with a distorted drum and a bit slower and kids try to tell me thats hardstyle.

now i hear what people call Hard Trance and i think its kinda like NRG/ Hard House. man i feel mixed up. what the heck has gone on with the trance scene? or is it just me?

[DJ Corbzy]

Its called: Evolution.

What you say you used to listen to in the 90's WAS hard trance, just hard trance at that time....it's slowed down a lot now. Typical UK and Import Hard Trance is written at about 140bpm. Freeform nowadays is much faster trance written at 150bpm+ also known as trancecore...

Hardstyle is just hard trance but it's sound is influenced by the Dutch, Italians and the Germans and has a much harder beat to it but is still written in the same way as hard trance...it's a relatively new style of music that personally I don't like...

Examples:

Hardstyle: http://germantrance.com/content/_rams/RES5B.ram
Hard Trance: http://germantrance.com/content/_rams/DRUCK007A.ram
Freeform: http://www.nuenergy.co.uk/ram/FREAK001-A

;)

[Yoshimitsu]

Hardstyle is just hard trance but it's sound is influenced by the Dutch, Italians and the Germans and has a much harder beat to it but is still written in the same way as hard trance...it's a relatively new style of music that personally I don't like...


;)

wouldnt agree with hardstyle being dutch/italian influenced hard trance. That was the basis for it i suppose but minus the trancey riffs (usually).

Also the whole 'feel' of hardstyle is different if u know wot i mean?
You probably dont :lol:

[DJ Corbzy]

Hardstyle is just hard trance but it's sound is influenced by the Dutch, Italians and the Germans and has a much harder beat to it but is still written in the same way as hard trance...it's a relatively new style of music that personally I don't like...


;)

wouldnt agree with hardstyle being dutch/italian influenced hard trance. That was the basis for it i suppose but minus the trancey riffs (usually).

Also the whole 'feel' of hardstyle is different if u know wot i mean?
You probably dont :lol:

Of course I do you tart! Just cos I think 97.8% of hardstyle is wank, doesn't mean I don't know what it is!

Hardstyle IS Dutch, Italian, German influenced Hard Trance!! FACT!

[Yoshimitsu]

but wheres the trance?

it stemmed from it maybe but its not 'influenced hard trance'. at least not anymore

[DJ Corbzy]

but wheres the trance?

it stemmed from it maybe but its not 'influenced hard trance'. at least not anymore

Yeah it doesn't have any trance in your right! But I can still remember when 'Hardstyle' didn't even exist!! When tracks which you would call hardstyle today was still being labelled hard trance.

Look at the warmduscher stuff, where's the trance? It's still hard trance though!! Basically what I'm saying is that Hardstyle was a term used by the Italians or Dutch or whoever first started calling it that for that style of Hard Trance, therefore coming to what I originally said, they had an influence on the sound and renamed it!!

Hardstyle: Used to be hard trance, got renamed. ;)

[Yoshimitsu]

your missing my point. i wasnt disputing the fact that it derived from hard trance, or that early hardstyle was 'influenced' hard trance. im saying that now the genres are entirely seperate imo

[DJ Corbzy]

your missing my point. i wasnt disputing the fact that it derived from hard trance, or that early hardstyle was 'influenced' hard trance. im saying that now the genres are entirely seperate imo

I don't think they are at all! If they were entirely separate, they wouldn't get played in the same sets!

Do you not see at events: HARD TRANCE & HARDSTYLE

IMO, Hardstyle is Hard Trance...

[Yoshimitsu]

your missing my point. i wasnt disputing the fact that it derived from hard trance, or that early hardstyle was 'influenced' hard trance. im saying that now the genres are entirely seperate imo

I don't think they are at all! If they were entirely separate, they wouldn't get played in the same sets!

Do you not see at events: HARD TRANCE & HARDSTYLE

IMO, Hardstyle is Hard Trance...

techno & hard trance & hardstyle all get played in the same sets, but technos sooo different. look @ mark egs sets for examople. all 3!

As for the titles opf rooms @ events... you see all sorts of shit in the same room! techno, trance, hardstyle, gabba, ...

M8 they are not the same

[DJ Corbzy]

your missing my point. i wasnt disputing the fact that it derived from hard trance, or that early hardstyle was 'influenced' hard trance. im saying that now the genres are entirely seperate imo

I don't think they are at all! If they were entirely separate, they wouldn't get played in the same sets!

Do you not see at events: HARD TRANCE & HARDSTYLE

IMO, Hardstyle is Hard Trance...

techno & hard trance & hardstyle all get played in the same sets, but technos sooo different. look @ mark egs sets for examople. all 3!

As for the titles opf rooms @ events... you see all sorts of shit in the same room! techno, trance, hardstyle, gabba, ...

M8 they are not the same

They are! :lol:

[cascade]

hahahhaha

two very stubbon board members here.

your both right. ahhahaha.

i see hardstyle as just been harder hard trance that isnt melodic and has harsher sounding beats.
my humble opinion obviously.
:lol:

[Richierush]

i see hardstyle as hard trance without the trancy riffs and with few sorta gabba kicks ;) like the lyric :lol:

[BinaryDave10110]

The problem is that a lot of people are just confused to what they think is hard trance.

[~cheeky~]

your missing my point. i wasnt disputing the fact that it derived from hard trance, or that early hardstyle was 'influenced' hard trance. im saying that now the genres are entirely seperate imo

ok your prob gonna slate me here but what you played at subsonica did sound slightly trancy to me.

if you had played some of the hardstyle sets that ive heard on here which to me is just bang bang bang i would of been out that room like a shot.

all these different genres does my head in

:lol:

[K Front]

hahaaha..

Typical hardstyle was influenced by hard house an gabba... an i think thats what it is really, with a few skreeky noises added... poop..

But does it really matter?

Its all music.... good and bad.... **** the labelling.

[BinaryDave10110]

Here, here.

[DJ Corbzy]

hahahhaha

two very stubbon board members here.

your both right. ahhahaha.

i see hardstyle as just been harder hard trance that isnt melodic and has harsher sounding beats.
my humble opinion obviously.
:lol:

i see hardstyle as hard trance without the trancy riffs and with few sorta gabba kicks like the lyric

ok your prob gonna slate me here but what you played at subsonica did sound slightly trancy to me.

if you had played some of the hardstyle sets that ive heard on here which to me is just bang bang bang i would of been out that room like a shot.

all these different genres does my head in

Cheers Guys, so that's 3 agreeing with me here then?

[Paul Nisbet]

Hardstyle is just hard trance but it's sound is influenced by the Dutch, Italians and the Germans and has a much harder beat to it but is still written in the same way as hard trance...it's a relatively new style of music that personally I don't like...


;)

wouldnt agree with hardstyle being dutch/italian influenced hard trance. That was the basis for it i suppose but minus the trancey riffs (usually).

Also the whole 'feel' of hardstyle is different if u know wot i mean?
You probably dont :lol:

Of course I do you tart! Just cos I think 97.8% of hardstyle is wank, doesn't mean I don't know what it is!

Hardstyle IS Dutch, Italian, German influenced Hard Trance!! FACT!

Knowing u makes it so much harder to go against u, u know that u little scamp.

Mate, i dont appreciate ur hardstyle is pish comments, if u dont like it fair play, but dont come on wi ur cack. It mite be banter, i dont know. But i find a lot of the hard trance or trance stuff u listen to, mindless wishy washy pantyhosen. So lets get constructive aboot this.

Cmon guys, take the word "TYPICAL" and shove it right up yer arse.

[DJ Corbzy]

Hardstyle is just hard trance but it's sound is influenced by the Dutch, Italians and the Germans and has a much harder beat to it but is still written in the same way as hard trance...it's a relatively new style of music that personally I don't like...


;)

wouldnt agree with hardstyle being dutch/italian influenced hard trance. That was the basis for it i suppose but minus the trancey riffs (usually).

Also the whole 'feel' of hardstyle is different if u know wot i mean?
You probably dont :lol:

Of course I do you tart! Just cos I think 97.8% of hardstyle is wank, doesn't mean I don't know what it is!

Hardstyle IS Dutch, Italian, German influenced Hard Trance!! FACT!

Knowing u makes it so much harder to go against u, u know that u little scamp.

Mate, i dont appreciate ur hardstyle is pish comments, if u dont like it fair play, but dont come on wi ur cack. It mite be banter, i dont know. But i find a lot of the hard trance or trance stuff u listen to, mindless wishy washy pantyhosen. So lets get constructive aboot this.

Cmon guys, take the word "TYPICAL" and shove it right up yer arse.

:dontevengothere: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Love you Paul!

[Paul Nisbet]

Hardstyle is just hard trance but it's sound is influenced by the Dutch, Italians and the Germans and has a much harder beat to it but is still written in the same way as hard trance...it's a relatively new style of music that personally I don't like...


;)

wouldnt agree with hardstyle being dutch/italian influenced hard trance. That was the basis for it i suppose but minus the trancey riffs (usually).

Also the whole 'feel' of hardstyle is different if u know wot i mean?
You probably dont :lol:

Of course I do you tart! Just cos I think 97.8% of hardstyle is wank, doesn't mean I don't know what it is!

Hardstyle IS Dutch, Italian, German influenced Hard Trance!! FACT!

Knowing u makes it so much harder to go against u, u know that u little scamp.

Mate, i dont appreciate ur hardstyle is pish comments, if u dont like it fair play, but dont come on wi ur cack. It mite be banter, i dont know. But i find a lot of the hard trance or trance stuff u listen to, mindless wishy washy pantyhosen. So lets get constructive aboot this.

Cmon guys, take the word "TYPICAL" and shove it right up yer arse.

:dontevengothere: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Love you Paul!

Lmfao. :lol:


mwah