At the same time, while it's quite arguable...there was a whole lot of crap coming out of the U.S. for quite a while as well. Things are getting a lot better and there is a lot of cool labels popping up, but for a while there were only a couple non-ur/detroit related labels that carried the same quality rate as the european labels imo. Now that computer production is becoming the norm, we're starting to see solid producers popping up all over and I think the stereotyping on record orders is slowly begining to fade to black.