mindgame...yeah i understand ...what i shoudve said does HARD TECHNO with that rolling bass sound or whatever..have to have side-chainging...but the doctor already answered for me (hehe)..just loking for other peoples comments too..i know nathan cipher doesnt use it at all..i barely use it now too..wondering if i was missing out...cuz peopel say make IT duck under the kick ...(it=sounds) that is only thing i feel that does that..and as far as developing my own sound im already doing that..that comes without question...its pretty much impossible to copy some1s style unless u do every little technique they do...im doing my own thing jsut asking the ?'s that confuse me..i know i can sorta ask similar ?'s but that is what im stuck on..