i agree ..you guys are great...thanks Ze MigL :clap: i am currently using a little attack with a ratio liek that as well...plus i experiement as well..im starting to layer my kicks....and place my compressor last in chain (fruity loops) ..i guess it makes i throbb better (IMO it totally does..)...im gunan post a new loop to show u my progress since the last one...soon...i just gotta get the clipping to stop...i think its going to much into the red..so i add a waves L-1 ulramaximizer+ ...its a limiter i think/..peak controller ..etc..so its sorta doing the trick..but i got a ways to go ..so no rush..gotta crawl before i walk....anywho thanks for the advice....