hip hop dj's/ techno dj's....

[sash]

I was just wonderin if someone could tell me what makes a good hip hop dj?

I constantly hear people say "real dj's r hip hop dj's". I understand all about scratchin and what they do at the DMC championships but when it comes to a mixed set (to get the party goin on), just how technical is a hip hop set compared to a techno set?

Ive heard a few hip hop set's from so called hip hop legends and i found it weird how the tracks just cut from one track to another (ending the previous track without any sence of flow). I realise it's all about cutting and timing though. Maybe I'm just too used to the smoothness of a beat mix. Do hip hop dj's beat mix?
I think there's something i'm missing here. I don't mean this post to be a hip hop vs techno debate as i love both genres.

Any thoughts?

[DJ SPUDIE]

I just thought that hip hop dj'ing was mixing basiclly one simple beat into another

[Rhys]

Hip-Hop DJs beat match but tend to employ more of a cut and paste mixing style. Scratching and tricks are all well and good but if they spend 90% of the time scratching and play dull records it all get's a bit boring.

For a good example of a hip-hop 'set' try d/ling the DJ Shadow BBC Essential Mix from 2003.

[sash]

are they known to keep the cross fader in the middle n mix with their volume faders?
It's interesting on Dave Clarke's world service techno cd, a lot of the time he will just kill a track n bang it onto the next track though it all flows so well. When i try it, it just sounds whack :cry:

[sash]

For a good example of a hip-hop 'set' try d/ling the DJ Shadow BBC Essential Mix from 2003.

Cheers i will hunt it down :)

[sash]

I just thought that hip hop dj'ing was mixing basiclly one simple beat into another

beat mixin or just a straight cut crossover? When they do a straight cut crossover, do they still match the speed of the tracks? Maybe not always im guessin.

[Dustin Zahn]

Hip Hop DJs lean more towards scratching/beat-juggling/and cut and pasting tracks rather than beatmatching them most of the time. Ironically, if you want to hear a cool b-boy mix, check out Prodigy's Dirtchamber Sessions mixed by Liam Howlett, it's nothing like Prodigy at all and it has some classics. Cari Lekebusch also has a really sick b-boy set up on his set as well.

[AcidBastard]

I was just wonderin if someone could tell me what makes a good hip hop dj?

I constantly hear people say "real dj's r hip hop dj's". I understand all about scratchin and what they do at the DMC championships but when it comes to a mixed set (to get the party goin on), just how technical is a hip hop set compared to a techno set?

Ive heard a few hip hop set's from so called hip hop legends and i found it weird how the tracks just cut from one track to another (ending the previous track without any sence of flow). I realise it's all about cutting and timing though. Maybe I'm just too used to the smoothness of a beat mix. Do hip hop dj's beat mix?
I think there's something i'm missing here. I don't mean this post to be a hip hop vs techno debate as i love both genres.

Any thoughts?

Personally, I think what makes a good hip hop DJ is, well.... the only skill a hip hop dj possesses, their ability to "scratch" records into each other.
That is all a hip hop dj learns to do, and their mixing techniques makes me laugh :lol:

But seriously, when it comes to mixing two records into each other, a hip hop dj has no chance in comparing to a techno dj ;)

[Esox Lucius]

shadow is more turntablism than a hip hop dj, check some jazzy jeff mixes for a real hip hop mix

here's a link for a jazzy jeff mix (in 2 parts)

http://massiveselector.com/mp3s/00_J...ummitPart1.mp3

http://massiveselector.com/mp3s/01_J...ummitPart2.mp3

both excellent

[gumpy green]

a good hiphop dj will be able to do it all.......mix, juggle, skracth, cut an paste....the lot.

Ive heard plenty of good mixin/beatmatching from hiphop.

One that sticks in my head is qbert an MMM - they mix goldfinger(shirley bassy), a theme tune from a cowboy movie(yall know the tune if ya heard it), whilst skratching over it....brillient...

But the reason most dont beatmatch every track is cos how wants to heard 2 folk speaking at the same time....plus they would rather use higher skilled mixin processes.

[gary_human]

You wanna check out Darlington's (UK)!! finest K-Delight

he got a few mixes available at:

http://music.kelkoo.co.uk/b/a/cpc_15...c15426210.html

Very original in a DJ Yoda style!!

[The Overfiend]

shadow is more turntablism than a hip hop dj, check some jazzy jeff mixes for a real hip hop mix

here's a link for a jazzy jeff mix (in 2 parts)

http://massiveselector.com/mp3s/00_J...ummitPart1.mp3

http://massiveselector.com/mp3s/01_J...ummitPart2.mp3

both excellent

You rock for these treats Downwards.
And a good hip hop dj is made by his track selection and access to exclusive tracks or even remixing.

[Traxx]

the link dont work for me on those jazzy jeff sets

says it cant find the file :roll:

[The Overfiend]

the link dont work for me on those jazzy jeff sets

says it cant find the file :roll:

Grrr I spoke too soon. Dammit Downy!

[Traxx]

:lol: :lol:

[The Overfiend]

Where's Herman when you need him to break down this topic!

[Trip Head]

I think a good hip hop dj needs to have a good track selection, but this applies to all genres, as a brilliant techno dj would still be poor or average when playing rubbish tunes.

Scratching is definelty good to watch, but it needs to be skillfully interwoven into the set, as just watching people beat juggle all night won't really make the party kick off!

I'd say definetly in actually mixing, a hip hop dj isn't as technical as a techno dj. I've just started mixing a bit of uk hip hop, and because of my techno backgound I immediately wanted to get the tracks in a mix. But the outro in a hip hop record is really quite short, so you have to be skillful to get the beat match in for that short period. That's why most djs just cut or scratch the kick drum of the next tune in. So most hip hop djs don't really beat match to the extent of techno djs, afterall the records are only about half as long!

I think a good hip hop dj though will keep a sense of flow in the mix through his track selection and order. But also I think the people at the parties arent' listening for mixes, they just want to jump about when a tune they like is dropped in. Whereas at a techno party, the true technoheads definetly listen for the mix, and hear when it comes in, and jump about when the dj starts cutting it up.

[gumpy green]

I think a good hip hop dj needs to have a good track selection, but this applies to all genres, as a brilliant techno dj would still be poor or average when playing rubbish tunes.

Scratching is definelty good to watch, but it needs to be skillfully interwoven into the set, as just watching people beat juggle all night won't really make the party kick off!

I'd say definetly in actually mixing, a hip hop dj isn't as technical as a techno dj. I've just started mixing a bit of uk hip hop, and because of my techno backgound I immediately wanted to get the tracks in a mix. But the outro in a hip hop record is really quite short, so you have to be skillful to get the beat match in for that short period. That's why most djs just cut or scratch the kick drum of the next tune in. So most hip hop djs don't really beat match to the extent of techno djs, afterall the records are only about half as long!

I think a good hip hop dj though will keep a sense of flow in the mix through his track selection and order. But also I think the people at the parties arent' listening for mixes, they just want to jump about when a tune they like is dropped in. Whereas at a techno party, the true technoheads definetly listen for the mix, and hear when it comes in, and jump about when the dj starts cutting it up.

defo.

btw- anybody ever heard someone jugglin techno really well????.i aint seen it done exceptionally well yet???would like to.

not the best techno juggle but it still sounds good and defo works at a party..

jugglin nervehammer(forshaw) at 1hr18mins approx...checkit

[The Overfiend]

Ok dude seriously.
Stick on topic you're always promoting yourself to everyone here and it makes you look overconfident and cocky and isnt really fair to the start up djs here that you're screaming you're the best man. Just some sound advice.
Love ya Sek.

[serox]

a friend of mine who is really into hip hop, i watch him and think its amazing what he does. I have tried and really cannot do it.


One time he was at my place and i gave him some records to mix (hardcore techno) and when i told him how to mix it (where the records should go etc) he did it perfectly. He found it very easy. He did mix it a bit too fast, but when i told him to do the mix really slow n smooth, he did and it rocked.

He could match the beats without thinking, even drop a record in without even queing it up and fixing the pitch live without it train wrecking.

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