Top three legends of techno?

[dirty_bass]

[/quote]It's because they are not the top 3 legends within techno, and they have not changed the face of music, they have just added to the pile that gathers beneath those who actually have changed the face of music. Therefore, anyone who cites them as the top 3 legends in techno DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Understand now???

That`s a bit worng mate and based on opinion more than fact.

The SUF collective were part of a burgeoning new scene within the uk, of free parties.
This scene exploded, ending in the HUGE party of castlemorton, that had a major contribution to the law changing in the uk. (so, here is one example of how they changed, or were part of, chang in music).

The music they made, was a new type of techno, that had a raw edge, with more attitude, and aimed more at the dance floor than the head. People heard it, and went nuts. Thousands of people started going to squat parties, at their height, the free parties in london were pulling from about 1 - 3 thousand people a week in london alone.
The music pulled in people from hard house, trance, psi, all sorts, gathered together dancing to the sound of acid techno.
This scene then exploded across the world, giving rise to techno sound systems and parties everywhere, put on by the people who had come to london and experienced the acid techno parties.
The fledgling techno scene of Brasil is a good example of the influence these guys had.
Chris, Henry, Lawrie etc, had a huge effect on the music and how it changed. They were there at the beginning, created a new style of techno, and influenced boat loads of people, to make techno, or to get into techno. And still have an effect today, the forming of curve pusher and curve pressings being another way they have affected the music, and the scene.
Now I`m not really into the London Acid techno sound any more, but I would definitely say these guys could count as legends, within the niche that is techno. And to call their effect nothing more than a "zit" is a comment made without any fact or intelligence.

[dirty_bass]

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[G-whizz]

It's because they are not the top 3 legends within techno, and they have not changed the face of music, they have just added to the pile that gathers beneath those who actually have changed the face of music. Therefore, anyone who cites them as the top 3 legends in techno DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Understand now???

That`s a bit worng mate and based on opinion more than fact.

The SUF collective were part of a burgeoning new scene within the uk, of free parties.
This scene exploded, ending in the HUGE party of castlemorton, that had a major contribution to the law changing in the uk. (so, here is one example of how they changed, or were part of, chang in music).

The music they made, was a new type of techno, that had a raw edge, with more attitude, and aimed more at the dance floor than the head. People heard it, and went nuts. Thousands of people started going to squat parties, at their height, the free parties in london were pulling from about 1 - 3 thousand people a week in london alone.
The music pulled in people from hard house, trance, psi, all sorts, gathered together dancing to the sound of acid techno.
This scene then exploded across the world, giving rise to techno sound systems and parties everywhere, put on by the people who had come to london and experienced the acid techno parties.
The fledgling techno scene of Brasil is a good example of the influence these guys had.
Chris, Henry, Lawrie etc, had a huge effect on the music and how it changed. They were there at the beginning, created a new style of techno, and influenced boat loads of people, to make techno, or to get into techno. And still have an effect today, the forming of curve pusher and curve pressings being another way they have affected the music, and the scene.
Now I`m not really into the London Acid techno sound any more, but I would definitely say these guys could count as legends, within the niche that is techno. And to call their effect nothing more than a "zit" is a comment made without any fact or intelligence.

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nicely done mate !

[schlongfingers]

Just thought - surprised noones mentioned Spiral Tribe.

I don't think you can argue that Liberators haven't had an influence DOAS - even if they haven't influenced you - I've met no end of people who will say 'Ah Liberators' if they find out you like techno.

An ex of mine thought they were all brothers with the same surname. Sweet (but dumb)

[Adverse]

Whoever got you into techno seems slightly irrelevent to me. In fact, this whole thread should probably have been locked after the first post, as MARK EG already answered his own question!

It may be irrelavant to you but it is not to me, he introduced me to techno so he will always be a legend in my books, so who are YOUR legends? All i have seen you do is slate people for what they have put and agree with mark on the detroit boys.

Jeeez!!! Let me try and spell it out for you...

I agreed with MARK EG because Atkins, Mills and Aphex are the top 3 "legends" within the field of techno. Aphex is not a "detroit boy", he's from Cornwall...but along with Mills and Atkins you can take just about any modern techno record and work your way back to one of these 3 people. That's it. What Dave Clarke or Laurie Immersion or Geezer or any of the industrial bods or Sven Vath or whoever else did is all very much secondary to this. Who your favourite producer, or whichever DJ introduced you to techno is entirely IRRELEVANT.

These are the people who have had the biggest influence on techno as it is today. Arguably Mills has shaped techno more than any other person, but Atkins paved the way. Aphex exploded the whole thing completely. They all did this many years ago, and to an extent everyone else is following in their footsteps, however much individuality they are doing it with.

****ing a. thank you mr. death.

[AUYA]

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: from Brasil!!!

Nice example!!!

Take a look at these pics and see what they done down here!!!
http://www.spgroove.com/foto_festa.asp?id_evento=14

It's because they are not the top 3 legends within techno, and they have not changed the face of music, they have just added to the pile that gathers beneath those who actually have changed the face of music. Therefore, anyone who cites them as the top 3 legends in techno DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Understand now???

That`s a bit worng mate and based on opinion more than fact.

The SUF collective were part of a burgeoning new scene within the uk, of free parties.
This scene exploded, ending in the HUGE party of castlemorton, that had a major contribution to the law changing in the uk. (so, here is one example of how they changed, or were part of, chang in music).

The music they made, was a new type of techno, that had a raw edge, with more attitude, and aimed more at the dance floor than the head. People heard it, and went nuts. Thousands of people started going to squat parties, at their height, the free parties in london were pulling from about 1 - 3 thousand people a week in london alone.
The music pulled in people from hard house, trance, psi, all sorts, gathered together dancing to the sound of acid techno.
This scene then exploded across the world, giving rise to techno sound systems and parties everywhere, put on by the people who had come to london and experienced the acid techno parties.
The fledgling techno scene of Brasil is a good example of the influence these guys had.
Chris, Henry, Lawrie etc, had a huge effect on the music and how it changed. They were there at the beginning, created a new style of techno, and influenced boat loads of people, to make techno, or to get into techno. And still have an effect today, the forming of curve pusher and curve pressings being another way they have affected the music, and the scene.
Now I`m not really into the London Acid techno sound any more, but I would definitely say these guys could count as legends, within the niche that is techno. And to call their effect nothing more than a "zit" is a comment made without any fact or intelligence.

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nicely done mate ![/quote]

[dirty_bass]

Really the legend to me aren`t anyone in techno.
I got into techno via Industrial, throbbing gristle, kraftwerk, kodeIV, Swans, Voltair etc, and they come from the Sturm and Drang origination of electronica, rather than atkins etc, who come from the house origins.
So I would say personally, Atkins and Aphex, have no effect on me whatsoever, so are NOT legends to me.
This whole topic is subjective, their is no answer any more valid than any other.
The real legends are people like Bob Moog and co, for inventing the early and crazy synthesisers and drum machines.

Ahhhh good old compurhythm.

[conflict]

top 3 legends for me would have to be (in no order)

carl cox
easygroove
adam beyer

had to include easygroove cos he was the number 1 techno dread!!

[Frank Dogshit]

what have you started here mark?? ;)

for me..

carl cox,my first steps into techno listening to my sisters tapes from park hall,angels and bowlers as a young lad.

richie hawtin,as someone else said his musics evolving all the time,also decks fx 909 and closer to the edit have had a massive influence on me.

dj rush,1st visit to the orbit and he was on battering it out like ive never heard techno before.

[slavestudios]

Atkins, Mills & Aphex ?

Glen wilson STARTED the Swedish scene DOAS, so, to me he is a legend in his own right. he went there & opened the 1st record store & got Beyer into techno. if that doesnt deserve a medal of honour, i dont know what does.

DOAS, not everyone is you. DTD has moved his sound more in the last year than Mills has in his entire career...


and what about Trax Records ? no mention of them. or Basic Channel. or Rob Hood. or The Chicago & New York jack pioneers. Ron Trent was droppin records with a drumachine under them in 85 ffs... long before Aphex kicked off.

and Marshall Jefferson...

some of your views are subjective & your own, which is fine, but TELLING other ppl who they should respect & hold dear is insane...


Trent Reznor gave me more of a flavour for hard angry electronic music than anyone else, but i guess that dont matter a jot to you...

[groover'z]

OK so if the SUF crew is not a legend now, they will be in the future...
Go on Chris, Henry, Guy, Ant, Aaron, don't forget Aaron...

[davethedrummer]

chas n' dave
sex pistols
r.d.f.

[dirty_bass]

It's because they are not the top 3 legends within techno, and they have not changed the face of music, they have just added to the pile that gathers beneath those who actually have changed the face of music. Therefore, anyone who cites them as the top 3 legends in techno DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Understand now???

That`s a bit worng mate and based on opinion more than fact.

The SUF collective were part of a burgeoning new scene within the uk, of free parties.
This scene exploded, ending in the HUGE party of castlemorton, that had a major contribution to the law changing in the uk. (so, here is one example of how they changed, or were part of, chang in music).

The music they made, was a new type of techno, that had a raw edge, with more attitude, and aimed more at the dance floor than the head. People heard it, and went nuts. Thousands of people started going to squat parties, at their height, the free parties in london were pulling from about 1 - 3 thousand people a week in london alone.
The music pulled in people from hard house, trance, psi, all sorts, gathered together dancing to the sound of acid techno.
This scene then exploded across the world, giving rise to techno sound systems and parties everywhere, put on by the people who had come to london and experienced the acid techno parties.
The fledgling techno scene of Brasil is a good example of the influence these guys had.
Chris, Henry, Lawrie etc, had a huge effect on the music and how it changed. They were there at the beginning, created a new style of techno, and influenced boat loads of people, to make techno, or to get into techno. And still have an effect today, the forming of curve pusher and curve pressings being another way they have affected the music, and the scene.
Now I`m not really into the London Acid techno sound any more, but I would definitely say these guys could count as legends, within the niche that is techno. And to call their effect nothing more than a "zit" is a comment made without any fact or intelligence.



I just had to repost this cos I ****ed it up last time and it looked like I had made the shitty comment at the top

Must remember to use the preview button. :roll:


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[Dustin Zahn]

Glen wilson STARTED the Swedish scene DOAS, so, to me he is a legend in his own right. he went there & opened the 1st record store & got Beyer into techno. if that doesnt deserve a medal of honour, i dont know what does.

I was going to say the same thing. Maybe he doesn't have hits like strings of life or the bells, but he got the swedes started off on the right foot. If it wasn't him doing that a lot of techno wouldn't be the way it is today (which is a good or a bad thing, it's a touchy subject that we shouldn't deal with at this time).

Determining the exact roots of techno is pointless.
It was happening with so many people all over the world at various times that it wasn't just one or two guys who made things happen. It was this combination of people from different backgrounds all doing shit at the same time. So, quit giving credit to a few sole people even though some had a lot more to do with its roots than others.

Legends are generally an opinion.
One person's top 3 techno legends will obviously differ from anothers. Knocking them for their choices isn't really fair, even if they are wrong and as stupid as a box of rocks.

I will say that having the opportunity to go to Detroit, listening to tales for the old schoolers, and getting to hear the classics in their own environment really does put it into perspective why the music is timeless. I didn't really understand the Detroit hype at first, but it's much clearer now. Unfortunately, Detroit people are subjected to this stuff all the time so it seems they've grown tired of it and lost the whole idea behind it.

[G-whizz]

top 3 legends for me would have to be (in no order)

carl cox
easygroove
adam beyer

had to include easygroove cos he was the number 1 techno dread!!

Easygroove was wicked !
my mate still got this tape of him where he started off with some ambient trance sort of stuff and built it all the way up to hardcore techno ...
love that tape and still listen to it now :)

[G-whizz]

OK so if the SUF crew is not a legend now, they will be in the future...
Go on Chris, Henry, Guy, Ant, Aaron, don't forget Aaron...

and Julian ;) :lol:

[tioneb]

I did not notice your top 3 techno legends death on a stick?

You should probably pay more attention then, but don't worry, you're not the only one.

Whoever got you into techno seems slightly irrelevent to me. In fact, this whole thread should probably have been locked after the first post, as MARK EG already answered his own question!

Like it was said, its very hard to find a unique root to techno. If there is one, well almost everybody will agree it comes from detroit, whoever is assciated to this city. Ill also add Aphew Twin, though he came a bit later, but he DID innovate.

Th thing about all these london techno people : they are certainly lengends to their fans, but as said death on a stick, they got some inspiration from the earlier techno artists, whoever they are. I dont say they were their only influnce of course.

So thats it, though some originators of techno have become weak since that time, that's THEM who are hte true techno legends. An ingoring that, IS ignorance.

So for the London techno fans, dont feel frustrated of this. Keep beleiving in your own legends, but as death on a stick, you are ignoring a part of techno. And ingoring means "purposely disconsider" and not "not being aware of".

So to concluse let's stop this fith. I think everyone has agreed there are some people who orginated techno, though the list will be over than 3 people. But saying death on a stick is pretentious is a shitty attitude. Is it the only argument you have found to say what he says is not valuable ???? Do you have to consider the people's attitude to explain you disagree with waht they say.

Hey come on, human behaving and musical tastes have nothing to do. So please lets stop fights, we are here to share ideas and respect what each other says.

[MARKEG]

just not happy about some of the arguments here. i wish certain people would just chill out

anyway. if you took practically all the names listed here by everyone and listed them one after each other it would probably read as a great little intro to someone not into techno wanting to find out about people who've found there own niche within certain areas of the sound. people who done more than your average techno producer/dj and really influenced alot of people. fair play to absolutely EVERYONE mentioned here.

i don't think however it would read as a list of techno 'legends'. ie people who, in 100 years time, will be in the history books when someone describes 'techno music at the turn of the 21st Century'. i've mentioned why Mills, Atkins and Aphex are legends, but this topic has always made me think. especially with all the arguments. to a certain extent, these three are the ultimate commercial legends of techno.

if you track all techno music back, it will always boil down to atkins. if you take all hardness, attitude or atmosphere in techno music, it will always go through mills. and if you take all the mad wierdness in techno it will always trace back to aphex. and these are the three factors that make up alot of the music we discuss on this board. and these factors apply to most strains of modern day techno music whatever style it is.

so no matter what techno you are into, these three have influenced it. that's why to me they are the real legends. not the libs, not dave clarke and certainly not me (hehe - maybe one day eh).

it all depends how you read the question. if we're talking 'your' hereos of techno (which is how alot of you read this) then well, those we some interesting answers and it's nice to see who's been influenced by what. but to be fair i really did mean true pioneers/legends. anyway the damage has been done, i really should have written the question better but hey, this is turning into quite a good thread anyway! let's keep going ;)

[Gloomy]

Like somebody before me said it's pointless to say what's right whats not so I'll just post my favs and write down why. if u like it ok if no than I don't give a ..... ;) (sorry mark)

1. DJ RUSH (everybody is talking about detroit... i say CHICAGO... him and armani were making some seriouselly wicked drum trax way back & I belive rush defines the deviancy in techno with his vocal shit & hard beats)

2. GLENN WILSON (needless to say why I belive so i'll just say PLANET RHYTHM)

3. SPEEDY J (everything he did from the begining of the 90's till now is just wicked and I ain't just talking about dance oriented shit I'm talking about the experimental stuff aswell)

that's it :)

peace

[ncw]

if you track all techno music back, it will always boil down to atkins. if you take all hardness, attitude or atmosphere in techno music, it will always go through mills. and if you take all the mad wierdness in techno it will always trace back to aphex.

Don't think that you can really expect to get away with such a generalising comment, do ya? All points are very disputable.

OK, firstly - Atkins did not single handedly invent techno, it is disputable (and disputed, read Dan Sicko's Techno Rebels) that No UFO's was really techno, in intentions or outcome. Nude Photo is often cited as the first "real" techno track. Thats by the by. The fact is that there were many people in Detroit at that time making music that later became identifyable with techno, and just cos Atkins was a little older and releasing music first doesn't mean he can be hailed a techno "legend". Maybe in other ways he can, but Derrick May, and more so Kevin Saunderson were instrumental in taking the music to a global audience and being influential - May through his DJing, Saunderson through Innercity.

Mills I will agree with you on, although not using the universal terms you use. He was the biggest influence on the techno scene in the UK, many current "stars" took direct influence from his performances and began their own techno adventure, e.g Surgeon, Ruskin, Oliver Ho, Max Duley, Rob Alcock. Mills brought techno to Europe in a major way, and I think he continues to maintain high standards (thats another debate though).

Aphex? Well, considering that he was making what were in effect mutant forms of hardcore, Detroit Techno, Acid House, and nothing too "weird", at least, it wouldn't necessarily bend your mind anymore than other stuff that was about. So, he's traceable back to Detroit as well. By the time he started doing stuff that was properly far out (apart from Selected Ambient Works vol.2 from 1994) Warp Records had already established it's weird shit clientelle. In terms of the freaky shit thats about now, Warp as a collective has had a much bigger impact than Aphex.