IMPORTANT BOARD PROBLEMS... I need your thoughts!!!!!!

**Addict** · 26-03-2003, 05:56 PM

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Ryan, you definitely take yourself, life and everyone else on this board way too seriously!

Buttman, you da man!

**Elle** · 26-03-2003, 06:20 PM

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innit! thought mark created this post 2 try and stop arguments! looks like this post will end up bein locked as well!
lighten up people

**MARKEG** · 26-03-2003, 06:27 PM

yeah ryan. you're well out of order here. i don't care whether you know someone who's been raped. it's irrelevant. but miromiric has a sense of humour. you don't. full stop. i'm sure we all really want to hear your life problems. this is a techno board not a 'who's been raped' board.

**Addict** · 26-03-2003, 06:56 PM

really Mark i'm surprised at you :o

**Esox Lucius** · 26-03-2003, 07:01 PM

jesus, you go up to a mates for a couple of hours to get stoned, when you get back world war 3 has kicked off!

rape isn`t a laughing matter though, i see ryan`s point.

**MARKEG** · 26-03-2003, 07:04 PM

nah i'm sorry i don't care.

what a load of absolute rubbish bringing this sort of thing on here.

it's like this whole thing he started about gay people on a post i wrote about tech house. when i say something is 'gay', i'm not saying it to cause offence. i'm saying it as a figure of speech. just like miromiric didn't mean to that we should actually 'rape' ryan.

i know rape isn't a funny subject but we're all not on here to get all shirty about rape, we're here to read about techno.

ryan. get a sense of humour or get outta here.

**Addict** · 26-03-2003, 07:09 PM

your going straight to hell you meany

**cascade** · 26-03-2003, 07:10 PM

here here well said

i think this topic lost its concept????
abit off the subject dont ya think?

**Esox Lucius** · 26-03-2003, 07:13 PM

yeah i know miromiric was only joking, i don`t want to get involved in an argument, just think ryan had a point, but he did go a bit over the top like.

**MARKEG** · 26-03-2003, 07:24 PM

ryan did have a point. defo he had a point - FOR ANOTHER BOARD!!!! what the hell is bringing up the fact that a friend got raped gonna do for this board? the post was started to talk about how i should admin the board not bloody bring up a terrifying, horrible subject like rape and try to make someone feel small with it. bloody hell. GROW UP!

i've seen ryan start way to many pointless arguments on this board. he totally loves to make people seem small. i'm telling him now, either he chills out, stops laying into people (like he's done here and like he did on the original post that pissed me off and i've seen him do on others) or he finds somewhere else vent his daily anger.

if i think about it ryan, the thing that originally annoyed me was not the fact you called corbzy's music 'shoddy' trance (although it's a rule of the board not to do this), it was just the way you immediately layed into him and made him feel small, icons or no icons. you've done it before and you're doing it again!!!!!! What the hell is the point?!?!!?!!!!!!!!

i'm sorry guys but i'm going to have to make a serious decision here and the decision is that i don't want ryan on the board. i've looked through all his posts and he gets sooooo hostile. ryan - i'm not going to ban you unless i have to, but please find somewhere else to go...

**wenna** · 26-03-2003, 08:00 PM

oh my god guys!!!!!!!!!

ALL of u are gonna look back on this and laugh.......

**Patrick** · 26-03-2003, 08:14 PM

Fcking hell, boys and girls, I don't know where to begin on this one, I really don't. This thread has left a bit of a bad taste in the mouth to be honest. I'm really surprised by a lot that's been said on here.
Let me set my stall out. I am one sick puppy when it comes to humour. I get Monty Python (although I don't remember the 'laugh at rape vicitms episode', so somebody please remind me ?). I even 'got' the 'paedophile' episode of Brass Eye that had the whole country up in arms. So no accusations of what I do and don't get on the humour stakes ok ?

Right, let me begin. If Miromirc was making a twisted joke, fine. He didn't use emoticons and I remind you all of what this whole fcking thread was about. It was all about people either getting or not getting jokes, emoticons or no. So Ryan can be forgiven for not getting the joke I reckon. Mark, you didn't get Ryans joke about 'shoddy trance' remember ? Therefore I would always advise caution to all of you when making comments, whether it be about 'beigng gay' or jokes about rape, that there WILL be people who will be offended. Maybe they need to lighten up, maybe not, it's just a fact that it will offend someone. In the right environment, amongst a group of people you feel comfortable with where you all know each others limits and history, that may be acceptable, but you should go easy on a public forum. Caution, friends, and a little respect eh?

A second point : Ryan did not bring the subject of rape on to this board, Miromirc did. Refer to my point above as to whether it was right or wrong.

But thirdly, and most importantly, if we do make a flippant remark that is misunderstood or causes offence for any reason, why make it worse and add insult to injury ? If it upsets someones feelings surely a little compassion wouldn't go amiss ?
And as for laying in to people ? A lot of people on here need to be asking themselves what this argument/discussion had to do with them ? Looked a bit like the 'pack' or 'herd' mentality to me and it ain't pretty.

Now I have to issue one final disclaimer : I actually know Ryan in person. Not very well yet, we're only recent acquaintances, but I know him well enough to know he isn't the humourless cnt you all seem to be thinking he is. And he isn't really into making people feel small just for the sake of it. My opinion is that he's a genuine, yes opinionated, but very passionate lover of techno who isn't afraid to discuss or argue every aspect of it, good or bad. I'm telling you that so you can examine the facts, read what I've said and it's now up to you to choose if you want to dismiss what I'm saying because I'm his mate. That's your perogative, and I'll understand if some of you do, but those of you who know me will know I'm honest enough to be telling the truth and simply trying to be the voice of reason in a particular messey thread. And there are those of you, like it or not, who are looked up to by other members of this board, and I'm afraid that brings a little extra responsibility. You need to be setting the example.
There's two sides to every story and I'm sure many of you have the maturity and sense to get what I'm saying. I certailnly hope so because I've enjoyed a lot on this forum, but I don't think I'd feel comfortable on here in future if we continue like this.

Sorry that's an incredibly long and tedious post, and apologies for sounding like a dirty fcking hippy again, but we're always going on about harmony in the scene aren't we ? Well here's a great chance for putting our money where our mouth is.

**Esox Lucius** · 26-03-2003, 08:20 PM

everyone, i demand you go and roll a big fat spliff, smoke it, chill out, and be friendly to each other.

we could always call the U.N in to sort this mess out, they will keep the peace.

**Patrick** · 26-03-2003, 08:21 PM

I just did my best Kofi Anan impression ? Or was I being Monsieur Chirac ?

**Esox Lucius** · 26-03-2003, 08:29 PM

**miromiric.** · 26-03-2003, 08:29 PM

aahhhh you touched my liitle broken heart patrick :) . i can learn so much from you.

i am ready to be friend with ryan and mark please let ryan stay, i see he is a good and moral bloke, but maybe to serious sometimes.

we should all be friends and share knowledge and passion for music, that`s why i`m here!

so ryan, darling, do you want to make sweet, sweet love to me?

:lol:

**Esox Lucius** · 26-03-2003, 08:39 PM

**MARKEG** · 26-03-2003, 08:47 PM

patrick... i respect your long reply and the fact you obviously care alot about what happens on here. i do totally see that what's happened here over the last few days is bad for this board. i'm sure many of us have seen ALOT worse on other places but the fact is that with 500 members this type of thing was bound to happen sooner or later. and it has to be dealt with right now. hence the long, long, long topic!!!!!

i didn't take notice of ryan's icons on that original post but to be honest it's words that matter - not icons. and the fact is he was well arrogant with a good, genuine person from the trance board and called his music 'shoddy trance' blatently disregarded the rules of the board. like it or not, he broke a rule. i created that rule becuase of years and years of checking out message forums and realising that that, along with slagging off dj's without good reason, this was the single most distructive factor in message board communities. i'm sticking to that rule because i believe i'm right. i want a friendly community that discusses issues within music, get's a little bit hot under the collar, but never gets into territory that is absolutely getting us nowhere and works you up to the fact that you're thinking all night about what to say to a pointless non-musical argument.

sure miromiric brought up the subject of rape, but i'm looking in at that from the outside and it was obvious it was a joke. why bring up all this rape shit?

i've always said i don't want pointless arguements and bitching on here and i remember when i first created the board a member said - if you control that, you're going to make this board different than any other board out there. and what a great point that is. stop the bitching and pointless slagging and you've got a great little positive community. that's what i thought the majority of you liked about this board.

so i have to look when stuff like this comes up and think who has been the instigator of the pointless arguements. some of you may say it was me for having a go at ryan for telling corbzy that his music was 'shoddy trance'. but like i say, he broke a rule. i spotted it immediately and asked him nicely not to do it. but then he goes and argues with me. and now he's arguing with miromiric (a loyal follower of the board who's been here since day one and never starts arguments with anyone!!!). it just seems like he's a toch too arrogant for my liking and would rather start an arguement than a genuine discussion.

patrick, i see what you're saying. ryan seems like a perfectly nice bloke when he's being nice, but i have to uphold the rules of the board and he's broken several of them along the way....

anyway ppl, give me a few more thoughts and then i'll close the topic.

**Esox Lucius** · 26-03-2003, 08:56 PM

"play nice or get off my boooooooooooard!!!"

**MARKEG** · 26-03-2003, 08:58 PM

exactly.

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