does techno have to be percursive to be good techno?

[MangaFish]

the idea of this thread was taken from a comment in a diff thread:

.....just a side note though: imo alot of the best techno tracks written havent been that percursive

i disagre with that,the key to virtually all the best techno is excellent percusssion in them in my view.

whats your thoughts?

[ncw]

Of course not. Techno can be anything.
Unless you are a deluded generic music worshipper.
In which case, your opinion doesn't count.

[basslinejunkie]

i didnt mean that the best techno is percussive techno,what i meant was that all the best techno has really excellent percussion in the background.others may disagree,but this is my personal opinion/taste

do others think this aswell???

[MangaFish]

i didnt mean that the best techno is percussive techno,what i meant was that all the best techno has really excellent percussion in the background.others may disagree,but this is my personal opinion/taste

do others think this aswell???

thats cool mate. i wasnt directing the thread at a me vs u style debate. just used the quote as i'm lazy and couldnt be bothered to type out the topic

this is more a general descussion about the (imo) over emphasis on percussion in techno (i'm just as guilty of this though i must admit)

[basslinejunkie]

nah its ok mate i knew you wasnt causing a debate between me an u,its my own fault for being lazy and not explaining myself properly :lol:

[dan the acid man]

i didnt mean that the best techno is percussive techno,what i meant was that all the best techno has really excellent percussion in the background.others may disagree,but this is my personal opinion/taste

do others think this aswell???

i have to admit, alot of my favourite releases have alot of percussion in them.

[MangaFish]

nah its ok mate i knew you wasnt causing a debate between me an u,its my own fault for being lazy and not explaining myself properly :lol:

:lol:

what a bunch of lazy gits we are

[jonnyspeed]

i didnt mean that the best techno is percussive techno,what i meant was that all the best techno has really excellent percussion in the background.others may disagree,but this is my personal opinion/taste

do others think this aswell???

grassed up, mate lol

No I agree. To me personally, if it hasn't got good percussion its more likely to be ambiant electronica - which whilst its parts of the techno-family its only a small part so can therefore only provide a small contribution to what could be clasified as excellent. Though its all about personal tatste. To me mashed up wonk and bang bang analogue make up top 40 = all very percussion based.

peace

[Col]

silly topic.

[Adverse]

yeah this one is going to distance i can tell already lol

[dirty_bass]

Not all techno needs percussion.
But techno that is intended for dancing rather than chin scratching needs good percussion.
Dance music is all about the beat.

[miss bass]

Some techno i play hardly has any percussion.

But i do have a thing with drums / offbeat rhythms, and percussion really can do a good job.

[scotttechfunk]

Yeah I think some tunes can stand out without it, though I have this tune somewhere on "monoid" and it has the most evil percussion on it and it sounds fantastic... so I suppose it can be good with, good without, that's the beauty of techno.

[The Divide]

Techno doesn’t have to be percussive. The whole mix could be built around synths and not have a single percussive element within it.

Rhythm is the key when it comes to dance floor techno. In other more experimental styles it could be based on something else.

I don’t see the point in the question tbh

Surely you can decide if it’s good or not? It depends on what you like as an individual

[miss bass]

RHYTHM is the thing!!!!!!

Couldnt make anything without it. The idea of minimalism (phillip Glass/ Stockhousen) etc does not usually have percussion but repetitve sounds/ synths / orchestra at different rhythms.

[miss bass]

oh and i dont think rhythm is the key for dancefloor techno!!!!!

By far!!!

Dance floor techno can be straight rhythms! The more creative the more complex in grove / rhythm or just wierd. Ace

[jonnyspeed]

nice one. Have you'd listened to Stockhausen's Kontate?

[miss bass]

erm no, il have a listen. Some stuff is mental.

I studied minimalism a bit at school in music. Some great stuff out there.

[The Divide]

RHYTHM is the thing!!!!!!

Couldnt make anything without it. The idea of minimalism (phillip Glass/ Stockhousen) etc does not usually have percussion but repetitve sounds/ synths / orchestra at different rhythms.

You could look at Steve Riech's 'come out' which was basically 2 tape machines playing a looped vocal. With one tape machine traveling at a slightly slower speed. He was experimenting with phase/flange. Over the 6 min track it becomes more and more out of synch. :lol:

It was all about the repetition of the vocal rhythm and a new(ish) type of effect. No percussion :lol:

If you took the rhythm out of a stockhousen piece it would become something bassed on random key progression, would confuse the shit out of people. :lol:

Kinda loosing the topic a little tho :roll:

[miss bass]

oh yeh i remember him now, need to buy some of his stuff. Havnt listened to much bar the odd bit at college for ages.