first off, i'm digging some of those tunes that started the thread. sure they need some tweaking, but keep at it dude, i'm all about pounding beats! : )
as for the speed of tracks, yeah, like someone was saying, some of the bpm's people get to are totally off the hook and beyond danceable for those that like to stomp along to the beat. but then again, just goin' buck wild can sure be fun!
and yeah, a lot of techno and hardcore has melded with industrial. a lot of wicked stuff coming out lately.
and well, for those that like their music hard, here's a little mix (b7 - feb 1 2003) you might like. admittedly, it's more hardcore than techno, but the last few tracks are totally techno gone to the extreme, not in tempo, but in, well... you download it and you decide for yourself!!! : P
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