but like i say the 909 is pretyy strong well proc and equal but u also have loads of others to choose from[/quote]

Yes I know , I used to pass throught 3 compressors and EQs in cascade my 909 BD and got by far tones of diferent ones but.. I´m tired of it.

I tried the Waldorf plug in,but it lacks of low end and punch for strong techno drums,the Virus C has a nice bassdrums,strong in middle frequencies as the emagic SE2 but too trancy for me,not hardtechno.

I guess the drums used onwadys are samples of other reocrds 909 ones that ended in totally harmonically diferent,but still I don´t get that point and sampling others never was my style