My thoughts on why Hardstlye is in a mess at present...

[Yoshimitsu]

yeh agreed there, i loved scumbag & whos in da house :clap:

[Soundfixation]

for me Sam Punk (gladheadz) are producing some good stuff!!!

he is using a blend of hardstyle and hardtrance together and using that dark german effect to it :clap: which i love!! sort of dark marching music

for me he is always producing different stuff and is pushing things forward, as for other producers there are quite poor

yeah man galzheads are good... they got loads of sci-fi sounds in their tracks wicked stuff... i liked their remix of space man and beat the drum.

PS Sam Punk & DJ Virus = Galzheads....

RE: Yotsomisu...yeah i like hard diirty tracks i play and have alwys played loads of really dark music makes me maaaad... lol in a stomp stomp kinda way

[Voorheez]

dunno bout just beginning m8! its already become formulated which is a sign of a staling (is that a word?) genre

no but stalling is... :lol:

He means staling, as in getting stale

[DJ RE:HAB]

i see were marks coming from really, ive found the same problem myself, playing a whole set of this Hardstyle has become increasingly boring for me half way through am like well, what can i put in next....?

I mean overall, i bought a track a while back, in a shop in r the track was DJ Millo EP, i got home put it on, and i think its only been out of my box once or twice... I bought it i feel because there was little else there to buy of any decency.... There was absolute shite to buy and what was there, DJ Millo with all its rap vocals was the best.... Absolute wank...

Recently when ive been building my sets, up to hardsyle ive been using old hardstyle, Demolition, Hardventure, Techno noise, coz i feel the majority and it is the majoirity of new releases, are tripe, exactly the same format and layout as the tracks above. thats why i prefer to play the older style, if you can call it that...


i cant help feel though that we as a whole may have contributed to to the demise, i mean at the end of the day we are the punters who purchased the records on a monumental scale when hardstyle first came about...

Hardstyle had a huge build up, and now maybe it could have an even bigger fall?[/i]

[Voorheez]

I can say personally with my hand on my heart that i've only ever bought one hardstyle tune that I then afterwards thought was poor (one on Confusion). I've never bought anything that was badly produced or hugely ripping off anything just for some set fillers, because it's obvious that this is where it leads.

[log:one]

[quote="MARK EG"
most of it is made on a cracked copy of reason, perhaps rewired to cubase and using a shit load of samples. in fact, it's all based around samples. it all becomes 'digital'. it becomes a 'drone' of digital haze in your head. plus it's forumlated. which then makes it unbearable. sure it rocked at first but ..... you see my point???

NOW, this is the thing. hard trance used alot of digital (ie sampled) drums but the melody was always analog. you ask all the german producers. i suppose you could say that making hardstyle is like playing on your copy of musik for the playstation but making hard trance is like have a studio.
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i think youve hit the nail on the head here mark. i remember a time when you said that the reason you thought the genre was progressing so quickly was because it was more about sampling than programming. i think basically that its now reached its logical conclusion, where you have a whole genre made up of tracks that sample eachother: not exactly a breeding ground for excitement...

and im with you that hardstyle needs some analog... it needs some warmth, some tension, some emotion, not just "bang bang bang vocal bang bang bang gabbakick bang bang bang bang bang bang vocal gabba kick"

also dont forget that this is a music BUSINESS and the reason there's so very much gash about is that its cheap and easy to make. find a fifteen year old with a pc and a bag of vinyls to sample and youve got your next signing. give him a ton and make a shitload more.

[adam_boyd]

It pains me to say it but the scene really is saturated full of shit releases, but I still love the music though.

Wouldn't be able to listen to hardstyle all night, take Storm V Religion on Saturday, it started with techno,went to hard trance/hardstyle(TimHidgem) then Trance Generators destroyed it with a full on set of hardstyle, Glazby played some HH then Mark finished off with his techno/hard trance set...thats the sort of variation you want in a night. Hardstyle is now too formulaic, which is a crying shame as it was an exciting area of dance music.

I believe there will always be a crowd who want to hear that Hard Trance/Hardstyle bass line and listen to some underground hard filthy tunes but how one progress's with this sound is anyones guess

[ScuL]

I can't get enough of hardstyle, I go to monthly events and listen to it for 10 hours and stil it isn't enough..... BUT .... this year, approx since january I must say that I have been arriving later/ leaving earlier just because it get's boring:

major reason: CRAP releases..
this needs to be sorted.

I know a lot of young, talented producers, their work just needs to get published and revive the scene a bit :)

[DJTrubass]

if any think teh releases are getting better there are shit releases in any style, its just because hardstyle isnt as big as hard trance so not just the best releases make it & there arnt lots of different talents helping to push new ideas..

Yet ive been on gt last night & got to say theres atleast 6 tunes that are phatt within the first few pages,

the comment about melodies..

wtf r u one about, maybe few hardstyle tunes do have/lack molodies but i thought the reason of hardstyle was to push away from the trancy euphoric riffs & breakdowns like in hardtrance????

id also say that there are some well established lables comming out of hardstyle like sys-x, dance pollution, oom records, wicked records, scantraxx the list goes on,

i think you guys under rate hardstyle seriously & are faulting it for reasons why the style is different (like the melodies comment)

obv there are going to be crappy produced tunes comming through but thats the same for every style,

im sticking with it, im loving hardstyle at the moment and since i got into it its only getting better..
Trubass

[Voorheez]

I know a lot of young, talented producers, their work just needs to get published and revive the scene a bit :)

This is one aspect that I hadn't really considered. While these labels are taking the easy route and signing an amatuer production that contains every usual hardstyle trademark because they know it will sell, the talented people who are making more adventurous and forward thinking music are not getting the opportunity to have their tunes distributed.

[Voorheez]

if any think teh releases are getting better there are shit releases in any style, its just because hardstyle isnt as big as hard trance so not just the best releases make it & there arnt lots of different talents helping to push new ideas..

Yet ive been on gt last night & got to say theres atleast 6 tunes that are phatt within the first few pages,

the comment about melodies..

wtf r u one about, maybe few hardstyle tunes do have/lack molodies but i thought the reason of hardstyle was to push away from the trancy euphoric riffs & breakdowns like in hardtrance????

id also say that there are some well established lables comming out of hardstyle like sys-x, dance pollution, oom records, wicked records, scantraxx the list goes on,

i think you guys under rate hardstyle seriously & are faulting it for reasons why the style is different (like the melodies comment)

obv there are going to be crappy produced tunes comming through but thats the same for every style,

im sticking with it, im loving hardstyle at the moment and since i got into it its only getting better..
Trubass

Well if you feel like that, I have to say that you are certainly in the minority, especially with regards to it getting better. If you still love it now (and there's nothing at all wrong with that), surely you can see that if hardstyle is not allowed to progress and evolve, and instead just repeat the same things over and over then you will surely get bored of it at some point.

This is the main point we're trying to bring up here - I don't believe anyone hear is just slating hardstyle for the sake of it. We have at some point all felt exactly how you do about it now, and for that reason we're trying to suggest ways forward.

[DJTrubass]

i see, well presonally @ the moment its only evolving thorugh better sounding producers but i guess the ideas are sounding the same, yet by putting melodies into it i dont think you r doing the self justice you are just bringing popularity from people who are into hardtrance & i dont think it will do the style any favours as i prefer it for not having the trancy euphoric breakdowns

[Voorheez]

i see, well presonally @ the moment its only evolving thorugh better sounding producers but i guess the ideas are sounding the same, yet by putting melodies into it i dont think you r doing the self justice you are just bringing popularity from people who are into hardtrance & i dont think it will do the style any favours as i prefer it for not having the trancy euphoric breakdowns

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort.

I'm with you on that one, hard trance is hard trance and hardstyle is hardstyle. You're absolutely correct that hardstyle with a melody would be basicallyt hard trance but then there are hard trance/hardstyle hybrid records that cross both boundaries.

I think what most people who talk about melody on this post mean is that they are simply tired of hardstyle not having any, and are more drawn to hard trance now.

[Winds]

This is a wicked thread! The first 4 posts are spot on!! I dont think theres anything I can add to it, I just hope something changes soon, and the dark/evil hard trance can get back on track, and the word hardstyle would vanish... :cry:

[Barely Human]

Hardstyle is a victim of its own success. Just like hardhouse was all those years ago. Too much comercailism. **** me, how quickly did hardstyle grow?? As always, people see the money making potential of raping the style for all its money, and it has been bled dry. Its going to stay like this for a long time, just like hardtrance did when it got its comercial arse raping. Things like this will always happen. There will be a new sound coming out soon, i can already see it evolving. But if it becomes popular, it will end up exactly the same way as everything else has. RIP new age hardhouse....

[pete kingwell]

hmm its hard to predict the outcome but i hope somebody starts experimenting abit more rather than churning out goats cheese, some of the major producers(or fresh talent!) must hav some new ideas up theyr sleave,it always comes back to the trance 4 me personally,most hardstyle records i buy i love cuz theyv got that element of trance in them.fingers crossed eh?

[Hakka]

hmm its hard to predict the outcome but i hope somebody starts experimenting abit more rather than churning out goats cheese, some of the major producers(or fresh talent!) must hav some new ideas up theyr sleave,it always comes back to the trance 4 me personally,most hardstyle records i buy i love cuz theyv got that element of trance in them.fingers crossed eh?

Well well... MR KINGWELL IS WITH US!

welcome this guy everyone, defo one of the best hardstyle + hardtrance DJ's in Plymouth!

Hardstyle needs more experimenting? yes it certainly does. The cross-overs with some techy/hardcore sounds was great but it never kept on (what happened to Brain Ovulation!?!?), just the old "hardcore" beats now and then seem to do with a hennes & cold bass line. The best of the tunes do have hard trance elements, and its suprising how many people went running back to hard trance when hardstyle ran out of steam.

I've just found myself getting ever so picky with what I purchase, you have to be to get the best tunes. So of the rubbish hardstyle I hear in the shops or online these days is scandalous that they ever got released!

[Voorheez]

I haven't bought a record in months now, I seriously hoped things would have changed by now. We seriously need some new blood pumped into our genres as things have gotten very stale lately. There must be some producers out there willing to try something new!

[DJTrubass]

I haven't bought a record in months now, I seriously hoped things would have changed by now. We seriously need some new blood pumped into our genres as things have gotten very stale lately. There must be some producers out there willing to try something new!

na i havent brought a new tune in a while..

i dunno if hardstyle has had the commercalism over in the uk that hardhouse has had, well its no where near, there arnt many mainstreme mixed cds or hardstyle producers in the uk, but there is something with hardstyle that is just leading to a dead end,

im just trying to support it as its the main style i love, and cant accept that its getting crap :lol:

[Winds]

I dont think things are going to change anytime soon though
(I hope im wrong)....reason being: I browse through quite a few forums, and it seems like loads of people are loving the hardstyle thats coming out at the moment.

Pavo & Zany - S.E.X.: This is the worst track ive heard in a while, yet some people are raving about it.