Mixing on 4 decks

[Sunil]

to play 4 decks correctly you would need to mark all your records on the correct bar. You would not have enough time to program and cue it all.
Each record only has one correct bar to mix the next onto

I'm not sure I agree here, there's no major reason why you'd need marker points. Playing 3 doesn't require marker points, I wonder why 4 would then?

Also, I don't really know what a 'correct' bar is meant to be? Well I know what you are saying but to assume that there has to be a correct point or place to play or mix in records isn't quite true, sometimes you have to vary from this kind of idea particularly if you are are trying to do summat a bit different or mix at speed.

[ampassasinbirmingham]

i think he means when you program your sets really in depth some people mix at a certain point for certain records in order for the records to mix perfectly,.

in reality this is stupid.

Has anyone ever witnessed 4 decks in action sucessfully????

[serox]

to play 4 decks correctly you would need to mark all your records on the correct bar. You would not have enough time to program and cue it all.
Each record only has one correct bar to mix the next onto

I'm not sure I agree here, there's no major reason why you'd need marker points. Playing 3 doesn't require marker points, I wonder why 4 would then?

Also, I don't really know what a 'correct' bar is meant to be? Well I know what you are saying but to assume that there has to be a correct point or place to play or mix in records isn't quite true, sometimes you have to vary from this kind of idea particularly if you are are trying to do summat a bit different or mix at speed.

to mix records so that they are mixed perfect i think there is a place to mix the records.

mixed perfect? so that you have things stoping and starting at the same time. if done right you can one record 1 a beat stop while the 2nd record a sound will start. you have to mix a record ont he correct verse or you have things going off at different times.

mixing at speed? this is the same thing, you just cue things faster. i dont enjoying people who mix records really fast but in the wrong place, anyone can do that. i like to hear a DJ mix and really have to listen hard to where the mix is!

is it not better to watch a DJ cue a record in 4 bars perfect? brings it in and only have to make tiny changs to the pitch? cue it in 4 bars then not do any more untill he needs to bring that record in. that is better to watch/hear than some one who is doing this speed mixing but has his hands on the pitch non-stop.

i saw jeff mills do what i think you are saying. he had som1 handing him records so he could just mix really quick. just slam in a record. but it was in the wrong place and to me just sounded shit and sloppy. every thing was in time yes, but in the wrong place, like a verse or two behind.

I am no good at explaning things, hope this make sense. i have only been mixing 3 years roughly. but i was shown by som1 who i think does some of the best mixing i have ever heard.

[serox]

i think he means when you program your sets really in depth some people mix at a certain point for certain records in order for the records to mix perfectly,.

in reality this is stupid.

Has anyone ever witnessed 4 decks in action sucessfully????

yes, i know som1 who has done it. it took a lot of planning. he had to use small stickers to kno where to place the records.

once you have programmd it correct it can be done. takes alot of planning. the guy i know who did it took months finding records that he could do it with.

lol, he even went to the effort of keeping a sound or noise from each record going through the whole set. even if it was just a bleep or something, it would continue to the next record etc.was amazing.

[The Overfiend]

Christian Varela

[serox]

Christian Varela

hmm, a friend i know saw him doign 4 decks b4 but was dissapointed.

said he used looped records or only had 3 records on and had bass cut on EQ. still good, but not perfect 4 decks sucessfully i think.

[zigojacko]

i've watched someone mix on six decks at a time... and it all went smoothly...

[massplanck]

i've watched someone mix on six decks at a time... and it all went smoothly...

Did anyone ever catch Headroom on 6 decks?

[tioneb]

to play 4 decks correctly you would need to mark all your records on the correct bar. You would not have enough time to program and cue it all.
Each record only has one correct bar to mix the next onto

I'm not sure I agree here, there's no major reason why you'd need marker points. Playing 3 doesn't require marker points, I wonder why 4 would then?

Also, I don't really know what a 'correct' bar is meant to be? Well I know what you are saying but to assume that there has to be a correct point or place to play or mix in records isn't quite true, sometimes you have to vary from this kind of idea particularly if you are are trying to do summat a bit different or mix at speed.

to mix records so that they are mixed perfect i think there is a place to mix the records.

mixed perfect? so that you have things stoping and starting at the same time. if done right you can one record 1 a beat stop while the 2nd record a sound will start. you have to mix a record ont he correct verse or you have things going off at different times.

mixing at speed? this is the same thing, you just cue things faster. i dont enjoying people who mix records really fast but in the wrong place, anyone can do that. i like to hear a DJ mix and really have to listen hard to where the mix is!

is it not better to watch a DJ cue a record in 4 bars perfect? brings it in and only have to make tiny changs to the pitch? cue it in 4 bars then not do any more untill he needs to bring that record in. that is better to watch/hear than some one who is doing this speed mixing but has his hands on the pitch non-stop.

i saw jeff mills do what i think you are saying. he had som1 handing him records so he could just mix really quick. just slam in a record. but it was in the wrong place and to me just sounded shit and sloppy. every thing was in time yes, but in the wrong place, like a verse or two behind.

I am no good at explaning things, hope this make sense. i have only been mixing 3 years roughly. but i was shown by som1 who i think does some of the best mixing i have ever heard.

understand what u mean, but it doesnt need to use markes to make start the records at the right time ... it just needs to know the track by heart lol ! ... its really better than puting a marker

about mills well actually i know what u mean, he doest throw the records in timing with the sequencings, but actually with loopy tracks it doesnt really mater, and he EQ things in a way u cant hear it, except if youre a dj knowing your tracks by heart ...

i though i would never do this kindof mistake as its my common habit to wait to start the records at the good moment. but there is nothing more frustrating than throwing the record just when the beat starts after a breakdown so that u have both records sequenced ath the right 64 or 128 bars, and then you are vitcim of a needle jump !!!!

beleive me, that happens with loud records in clubs where the decks wieghts are not set up correctly, or when the decks are on very jumping surface, or when i am too drunk (though for this one its my fault).... then after a few time slosing waiting for nothing u just lauch the records and care about the EQ so that the mix is not that crap ...

[massplanck]

Listen. Its not worth the hassle.

Buy some drum machines kids.

[zigojacko]

i've watched someone mix on six decks at a time... and it all went smoothly...

Did anyone ever catch Headroom on 6 decks?

can't remember who it was... was in a dj comp though.

[thetonewrecka]

I can barely run my lone single turntable. I agree with the comment about adding a few machines alongside multiple decks for added mayhem into the mix.

[Adverse]

4 decks sounds like shit imo

[serox]

to play 4 decks correctly you would need to mark all your records on the correct bar. You would not have enough time to program and cue it all.
Each record only has one correct bar to mix the next onto

I'm not sure I agree here, there's no major reason why you'd need marker points. Playing 3 doesn't require marker points, I wonder why 4 would then?

Also, I don't really know what a 'correct' bar is meant to be? Well I know what you are saying but to assume that there has to be a correct point or place to play or mix in records isn't quite true, sometimes you have to vary from this kind of idea particularly if you are are trying to do summat a bit different or mix at speed.

to mix records so that they are mixed perfect i think there is a place to mix the records.

mixed perfect? so that you have things stoping and starting at the same time. if done right you can one record 1 a beat stop while the 2nd record a sound will start. you have to mix a record ont he correct verse or you have things going off at different times.

mixing at speed? this is the same thing, you just cue things faster. i dont enjoying people who mix records really fast but in the wrong place, anyone can do that. i like to hear a DJ mix and really have to listen hard to where the mix is!

is it not better to watch a DJ cue a record in 4 bars perfect? brings it in and only have to make tiny changs to the pitch? cue it in 4 bars then not do any more untill he needs to bring that record in. that is better to watch/hear than some one who is doing this speed mixing but has his hands on the pitch non-stop.

i saw jeff mills do what i think you are saying. he had som1 handing him records so he could just mix really quick. just slam in a record. but it was in the wrong place and to me just sounded shit and sloppy. every thing was in time yes, but in the wrong place, like a verse or two behind.

I am no good at explaning things, hope this make sense. i have only been mixing 3 years roughly. but i was shown by som1 who i think does some of the best mixing i have ever heard.

understand what u mean, but it doesnt need to use markes to make start the records at the right time ... it just needs to know the track by heart lol ! ... its really better than puting a marker

about mills well actually i know what u mean, he doest throw the records in timing with the sequencings, but actually with loopy tracks it doesnt really mater, and he EQ things in a way u cant hear it, except if youre a dj knowing your tracks by heart ...

i though i would never do this kindof mistake as its my common habit to wait to start the records at the good moment. but there is nothing more frustrating than throwing the record just when the beat starts after a breakdown so that u have both records sequenced ath the right 64 or 128 bars, and then you are vitcim of a needle jump !!!!

beleive me, that happens with loud records in clubs where the decks wieghts are not set up correctly, or when the decks are on very jumping surface, or when i am too drunk (though for this one its my fault).... then after a few time slosing waiting for nothing u just lauch the records and care about the EQ so that the mix is not that crap ...

take ur own needles when playing out;) also make sure the decks are set to how you like them. they will not jump if set correctly.

the markers are needed to be able to place the records in time. without the marks you would not have time to do 4 decks at the same time.

Adverse
PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 4:12 pm Post subject:
4 decks sounds like shit imo

it can sound good if done right. it is possible to do 4 decks at the same time without using EQ's to hide mistakes and have it sound spot on.

massplanck
PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:43 pm Post subject:
zigojacko wrote:
i've watched someone mix on six decks at a time... eek.gif and it all went smoothly...


Did anyone ever catch Headroom on 6 decks?

headroom were using elements from records to do this (i think). also they did not have 6 on at same time?

[Tony]

this would all depend on whether you where using 'tunes!' or 'tracks'. tunes being stuff with breakdowns and crap, stuff that goes places. tracks being a dj tool that doesnt do much in itself, but leaves you loads of room to hack the crap out of it. i can see why you'd have to drop 'tunes' in the right place, but to mark them, hmmmm. surely you should ahve the skills to know when to drop them if you're even going to bother getting 4 dex out.

[karlo]

Dont have a time to read everypost here...but...some "big stars" djs are mixing on 4 decks, yea think on! I looked a performance on 4 decks of one popular dj, its 3 decks not 4, in 2h set he was maybe playing on 4th a few minutes its just a market trick on flyer to get the people..IMO..

Cao cao

[TripleX]

Dont have a time to read everypost here...but...some "big stars" djs are mixing on 4 decks, yea think on! I looked a performance on 4 decks of one popular dj, its 3 decks not 4, in 2h set he was maybe playing on 4th a few minutes its just a market trick on flyer to get the people..IMO..

good point.
never heard a good 4deck mix so far,
the ones i heard were probably rather 3deck mixes,
but i am not saying it wouldn´t work

[serox]

this would all depend on whether you where using 'tunes!' or 'tracks'. tunes being stuff with breakdowns and crap, stuff that goes places. tracks being a dj tool that doesnt do much in itself, but leaves you loads of room to hack the crap out of it. i can see why you'd have to drop 'tunes' in the right place, but to mark them, hmmmm. surely you should ahve the skills to know when to drop them if you're even going to bother getting 4 dex out.

yeh u can know where too, but when u r playing 4 'tracks' in a set and u keep doing it, u need to place markers, only way it can be done in time.

other wise it gets too confusing.

i mean propper records too, not just loopy records :)

[ampassasinbirmingham]

4 decks sounds like shit imo

deffo!!!! far to clutered

[crime]

Why bother..
if you really want to take things to the next level, play live...
anyone who think's they're the shit just because they can play 4 decks but can't get a live act together is trading on bullshit...

I lay down the gauntlet now, c'mon, live act, back to back at squat party in london of your choice, anyone seriously up for it, pm me, i'll take you to the f.u.c.k.i.ng cleaners..
Back to back Live with anyone, I only respect those who take me seriously on my offer...